Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Hoop1888]

Albo should resign because for two years he has allowed hatred to fester. He has imported more of it. He has refused to deal with it despite multiple warnings, including from his own expert he ignored. He has favoured votes over safety and national cohesion. He did not pull the trigger, but his leadership or lack thereof caused it to fester. Simple. Just my opinion feel free to disagree.

Completely disagree. Because Nethanyahu said he allowed 'antisemitism' to fester in Australia doesn't mean it's true. Why didn't Bibi call out Trump and Starmer when there were shootings of Jewish folk in the US and England? Let's be real, he's only taking a dig at Albanese because he publicly supports the idea of Palestinian state.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

This tragic event is the result of anti western democratic advocates being allowed to increasing get away with hateful rhetoric and actions. Whether it be Islamic fundamentalism, anti-capitalism, anti-christianity, anti-Australian or the variety of other mindsets that too often come together in a hateful celebration of those aspects of our society that have made us one of the most successful multi-cultural nations on the planet.

Sadly it is the Jewish people have become a clear and tolerated target for this hate. Masqueraded as “anti-Zionism” hatred against Jews has been a single issue that brings together extremists from a range of differing groups. Society’s leaders, particularly those to the left of centre, have failed to adequately call this for fear of being labelled with an “ist” and being attacked within their own parties by those extremists who have infiltrated their ranks. The leaders within the various advocacy groups have also failed to adequately address extremism within their ranks, instead falling on a classic nonsensical unaccountable statements like “we can’t control what others say or do” or “I refuse to judge the actions of others who are simply trying to give a voice to what may be legitimate concerns”.

Too much hate allowed to fester for too long - this was inevitable. These hate mongers will be at the vigils with their Palestinian flags and their keffiyehs.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Your logic is the same logic being used by the terrorists. Jewish=Israel.

wtf are you on about.

you said the shooters weren't "pro anything".

I said they clearly were, they were "pro" the killing of jews.

Time will tell if they had an actual motive, but per the PM, NSW Premier, and the head of the NSW police, this was a targeted attack against jewish people.

 

[ferball]

Very unlikely given his name. Hopefully he is Islamic. It shows there are many good Muslims here and we can live in peace with others.

I just hope he's okay to be honest.

 

[Hoop1888]

Those accusations were made by a former Indonesian President iirc.

Bloody hell. I reckon if the Australian government did any investigating of that and found it to be true, that would be deemed as a matter of classified "national security" that citizens don't need to know about.

 

[Exquisite Hams]

Susan Ley failing to land a glove. Weak. Needs to be replaced.

 

[bzparkes]

Bloody hell. I reckon if the Australian government did any investigating of that and found it to be true, that would be deemed as a matter of classified "national security" that citizens don't need to know about.

Considering how chummy the police were(and still are) with the terrorist who made the bombs, it's all but certain they were involved.

Look at who attended the funeral of the terrorist leader in Pakistan who ordered the attacks there a few months ago, for example.

Heaps of senior police and military there.

 

[HairyO]

The homophobic Michael McCormack is very worried about anti Semetism.

Whats important at this time is that you make this about you.

 

[FIGJAM]

Get a grip. A couple of psychos just went nuts

That might sum up Port Arthur, the Christchurch killings, or the Lindt Cafe siege, but this has occurred with a vastly different backdrop.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I have fired handguns from 10M and hit the bullseye.

What about from 50-100 meters? This is exactly my point. Getting close enough against 2 long armed offenders who are in a tactically supreme position, elevated, hard structure cover with minimal nearby cover for police in their pistol accuracy range, without giving their position away, was incredibly dangerous and difficult.

 

[bzparkes]

They are actually trained to respond to active shooter situations - it's called AAO, and that training has been upgraded to shoot offenders on sight. Some brave officers on the day did so and have paid a price.

I will be interested to hear how they all responded.

Police trained to shoot terrorists on sight, not negotiate

New South Wales Police are being trained to shoot terrorists on sight rather than try to contain them and negotiate, in a change of policy prompted by recent attacks.

www.abc.net.au

Yeah but they're also trained not to put themselves in a position where they can be killed.

You expect a cop to rush a bloke, who has the advantage of both terrain and firepower, with just a pistol meant for close range?

This isn't the movies.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

And NSW police lied and said nothing to see here

the audio is clear

only a fcukhead cant hear it

The audio was dubbed over the video footage, you can hear it was looped.

It’s misinformation that you have fallen for.

 

[Del203211]

Susan Ley failing to land a glove. Weak. Needs to be replaced.

You’re playing politics way too much here mate. Not the time for it.
And this is from someone who can’t stand our politicians.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

The fact that internal and external reactionaries are taking shots at the PM on the day of the tragedy tells me more about them than it does about the PM.

Leadership should always come under scrutiny and accountability after events like this, but yes.... less than 24 hours after the event is not the time for this.

 

[UltraEgo]

my brother lives in the NT on some land, he regularly hunts, hed have at least ten guns.. .22, mid size rifles, shot guns, and high powered rifles. each for a different type of shooting.

hunt for what purpose? Does he enjoy killing helpless innocent animals?

 

[faible]

Susan Ley failing to land a glove. Weak. Needs to be replaced.

I'd suggest this is not the time for a political point scoring exercise. The community needs less division right now, not more. One of those times all politicians from all parties need to be working together.

 

[bzparkes]

hunt for what purpose? Does he enjoy killing helpless animals?

If he's in the NT then he probably hunts feral pigs.

Very far from 'helpless'.

 

[SpanishBrowne]

Well your job today seems to be present on BigFooty all day so why not spend 2 minutes linking something that apparently happened.

Very poor convincing effort. You can’t convince everyone by just saying words. Actually back it up or don’t talk here.

Free to have a differing opinion but when it is baseless it will be pointed out and scrutinised.

His job seems to be getting his post count up from 3 random things, to as many as possible by spreading more hate and garbage backed by nothing.

Oh, and he's a suns supporter. so you know. plastic as it gets.

 

[faible]

Yeah but they're also trained not to put themselves in a position where they can be killed.

You expect a cop to rush a bloke, who has the advantage of both terrain and firepower, with just a pistol meant for close range?

This isn't the movies.

I wouldn't expect the average police officer to respond in an optimal fashion in that kind of situation. They might have some level of training for it, but we're not talking Special Operations Group (or whatever the NSW equivalent is).

 

[bzparkes]

I wouldn't expect the average police officer to respond in an optimal fashion in that kind of situation. They might have some level of training for it, but we're not talking Special Operations Group (or whatever the NSW equivalent is).

Yep. Their primary job there is telling kids on skateboards to stop rail-grinding on the stairs and make people pour out alcohol when they shouldn't be drinking in public.

Not exactly equipped to deal with the worst mass shooting since Port Arthur, both physically and mentally.

It'd be surprising if any of them had even been in a shootout before, being based in Bondi.

It's ridiculous to suggest they should charge a guy with a bolt action rifle from long distance, in the open, with nothing but a pistol meant to take down someone wielding a knife.

 

[the_interloper]

voices are getting louder now, decrying the events and lead up to this. A prominent Jewish leader was on 3AW stating just this, for too long have leaders done nothing about anti semetic attacks and protests involving the neo nazis.

These campaigners are going to love this incident, I'm sure we'll be hearing from them.

 

[Fire]

Get a grip. A couple of psychos just went nuts, the PM can't be responsible for every nutter in this country. The fact that Netanyahu is lecturing us is also a joke. This isn't about politics. The one good thing that may come out of it is a further tightening of gun laws, this is generally a very safe society unlike many others throughout the world.

I'm glad you think you are getting something out of this tragedy, but there is definitley legitimate critisism that the government did nothing and demanding accountability is reasonable. You're right, it's not about politics. Its about accountability.

Time and time again they are saying the right things after the fact, but they have done nothing proactive and avoided all warnings and concerns.

 

[kalex6251]

this is going down the path of the charlie kirk thread [if it hasnt already] .... some new contributors but the same old self righteous angst

 

[nut]

I'm glad you think you are getting something out of this tragedy, but there is definitley legitimate critisism that the government did nothing and demanding accountability is reasonable. You're right, it's not about politics. Its about accountability.

Time and time again they are saying the right things after the fact, but they have done nothing proactive and avoided all warnings and concerns.

The did nothing? LMOA… what were they ment to do?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Get a grip. A couple of psychos just went nuts, the PM can't be responsible for every nutter in this country. The fact that Netanyahu is lecturing us is also a joke. This isn't about politics. The one good thing that may come out of it is a further tightening of gun laws, this is generally a very safe society unlike many others throughout the world.

don't think you can really get any tighter gun laws in Australia, without just plainly removing them all from existence.