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[_Cerberus_]

I would love to see Albanese - at an appropriate time in a week or so - respond to Netanyahu and call him out. It’s time someone did so in a strong and measured way.

He is an elected leader of a sovereign state. No reasonable person condones what Hamas, a non-state actor, did on Oct 7. Why should some of the subsequent actions of a Sovereign State be condoned when they were no better? Those actions were not just about Hamas they went beyond that and targeted the Palestinian people in retribution for Hamas.

Albo should stand up and point out a few home truths and declare that some of the actions of him as leader of the sovereign state of Israel were no better and in some cases worse, than the actions of a non-state actor in Hamas. Albo should also make the distinction between the state of Israel and Judaism and the two should not be conflated.

All pointless now. Within a month, posts like this will probably get you charged with Terrorism and antisemitism offences. Whilst Right winged media, and Zionist groups will be allowed unchecked anti migrant, anti islam, pro genocide rants.

I've said it heaps, Netanyahu is the world leading cause of antisemitism. Albos mistake was trying to sit in the middle of all camps and not call out all of genocide, antisemitism and islamophobia, like some leading Jewish Groups were able to do. It took the Aussie public to march and speak out instead. And Muslims in Australia, have been coping daily barrage of hate from the likes of the Zionist Lobby, Hanson, the NSA and Murdoch media for years on end now. Both sides should have been stood up to.

 

[Sphynx]

Well given your side did that immediately what else is he supposed to do.

Im fairly certain not many teals/centrists have commented, with the only one so far being Turnbull who just gave Netanyahu a clip.

I haven't seen Keating comment yet, but he rarely does unless it impacts on his retainer with the CCP.

 

[Millky95]

I would love to see Albanese - at an appropriate time in a week or so - respond to Netanyahu and call him out. It’s time someone did so in a strong and measured way.

He is an elected leader of a sovereign state. No reasonable person condones what Hamas, a non-state actor, did on Oct 7. Why should some of the subsequent actions of a Sovereign State be condoned when they were no better? Those actions were not just about Hamas they went beyond that and targeted the Palestinian people in retribution for Hamas.

Albo should stand up and point out a few home truths and declare that some of the actions of him as leader of the sovereign state of Israel were no better and in some cases worse, than the actions of a non-state actor in Hamas. Albo should also make the distinction between the state of Israel and Judaism and the two should not be conflated.

Whilst that'd be nice, given we are still technically allies of the USA, it'll never happen

 

[1990crow]

Im fairly certain not many teals/centrists have commented, with the only one so far being Turnbull who just gave Netanyahu a clip.

I haven't seen Keating comment yet, but he rarely does unless it impacts on his retainer with the CCP.

Exactly. Your side is far right extremists who say absolute rubbish.

Abbott, Ley, Howard etc couldn't help themselves.

 

[Sphynx]

Exactly. Your side is far right extremists who say absolute rubbish.

That would be a fair achievement, considering generally the social side of the political movement sits on the left side of politics.

Or are you saying the far right extremists are aligned with the Greens and ALP?

Actually David Pocock did answer today, the well known, far right, teal extremist like below:

 

[Balls In]

Care to give examples? The recent attack was by someone who came to Aus under the Libs, was allowed guns under the Libs, and was investigated and dismissed as a threat by ASIO under the Libs. But Albo is unfairly coping 100% of the blame, for things that happened when he wasn't involved.

If anything, a lot of the blame should fall on ASIO for not monitoring someone permanently, who had links to others connected to ISIS. And not flagging him to authorities who approve of gun licenses. Instead they dismissed him as a threat after a few months. Which is odd given the day and age, where ISIS is still a big threat world wide. They should have revisited him every now and then.

In fact, world wide, way too many of these terrorist attacks are the result of a failure by intelligence agencies.

I don't care which of our duopoly govt did it the fact remains an ISIS operative living in Australia had a gun licence. Albo deservedly wearing his share of blame for doing nothing if not adding fuel to the rising anti semitism in Australia. Was warned countless times but prioritised votes in Western Sydney over keeping citizens safe.

 

[faible]

It's certainly a disproportionate number of people to the point the SA government has had numerous inquiries into is but it's also worth noting the South African Police Service stopped releasing statistics on farm murders in '07 and merged them with all homicide figures instead. Prior to that they recorded the figures separately.

South African farm attacks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

For the record, no I don't prescribe to it being a 'white genocide', rather the fact that most farmers are white, which is why the victims are also disproportionately white.

It shows that the stats are deeply misrepresented, and that farm murders are a fairly small (but still tragic) portion of the murders in South Africa.

There's no evidence that the murder rate in South Africa is being drastically under-reported, which is what the original claim was:

I also think South Africa is probably under-reported

It's also being used by the Trump government to misrepresent the situation in South Africa.

 

[Sphynx]

This is an odd thing to be upset about.

How dare we make it harder for something that horrible to happen again

Im not upset about it at all.

I think it was perfectly valid to raise it, however it was political opportunism to push a policy as early as they have.

In reality, there will be a massive public enquiry following this, formal recommendations of response will follow.

It's not being decided today and any commentary like that is pretty much all political point scoring.

 

[faible]

What's with 50% of the cookers in this thread being West Coast supporters

It's a weird change from them being Adelaide supporters during Covid.

 

[CM86]

Well I did get a chuckle out of the speed run to suspension, I must admit.

Kinda sucks how much he feels kinship with you due to your posts and positions.
First post in here was a reply to you. First supportive reply to them was from you.

And you got to enjoy it.
Any negative views on that poster and their posts?

 

[CM86]

What's with 50% of the cookers in this thread being West Coast supporters

I swear the majority with longevity click 'St Kilda'.

 

[Sphynx]

Abbott, Ley, Howard etc couldn't help themselves.

You do have a basic understanding of the Australian political spectrum don't you?

 

[faible]

Was warned countless times but prioritised votes in Western Sydney over keeping citizens safe.

Not very subtle are you

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What about Dezi Freeman in Porepunkah? Or the Trains in Wieambilla?

They had guns too

Freeman's gun license had been cancelled.
He shot the police with a home made shot gun.
A state of the art firearm could have made him far deadlier.

 

[Bloods86]

I don't care which of our duopoly govt did it the fact remains an ISIS operative living in Australia had a gun licence. Albo deservedly wearing his share of blame for doing nothing if not adding fuel to the rising anti semitism in Australia. Was warned countless times but prioritised votes in Western Sydney over keeping citizens safe.

Which specific actions has Albo failed to take that specifically led to or contributed to Sunday's attack?

If Albo's "failure" is an indisputable fact, it should be a straight forward answer.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I would love to see Albanese - at an appropriate time in a week or so - respond to Netanyahu and call him out. It’s time someone did so in a strong and measured way.

He is an elected leader of a sovereign state. No reasonable person condones what Hamas, a non-state actor, did on Oct 7. Why should some of the subsequent actions of a Sovereign State be condoned when they were no better? Those actions were not just about Hamas they went beyond that and targeted the Palestinian people in retribution for Hamas.

Albo should stand up and point out a few home truths and declare that some of the actions of him as leader of the sovereign state of Israel were no better and in some cases worse, than the actions of a non-state actor in Hamas. Albo should also make the distinction between the state of Israel and Judaism and the two should not be conflated.

Should use the words "Pull ya head in ya drongo. " so that it takes him a week to work out what he was saying .

 

[CM86]

Was warned countless times but prioritised votes in Western Sydney over keeping citizens safe.

Two votes vs 99.999°% of Australia? Not sure if you've thought this through.

Unless you're making a dishonest and hateful attempt to link immigration to this massacre?

 

[T2B_]

Freeman's gun license had been cancelled.
He shot the police with a home made shot gun.
A state of the art firearm could have made him far deadlier.

3D printed guns must be a bloody hard thing to tackle too

 

[faible]

Two votes vs 99.999°% of Australia? Not sure if you've thought this through.

Unless you're making a dishonest and hateful attempt to link immigration to this massacre?

The ALP had an absolutely resounding win, but yeah they spent their entire time trying to placate Western Sydney at the expense of Jewish people apparently.

And by Western Sydney we all know exactly who he's talking about.

 

[Scotland]

I'm loathe to ask, but what is this simple solution?

Agree with a lot of your post regarding what is the more imminent threat. What is the simple solution?

Step 1. Acknowledge the problem. That's the simple part. You can't solve most problems overnight, but good luck solving any by pretending they don't exist. Even if you change the gun laws that will take months if not years to come into effect. It's a medium to long term play.

If you (royal) aren't prepared to acknowledge the problem then anything else is pointless. Tighten already strict gun laws. Talk tough on antisemitism and right wing extremism. Window dressing. If you are, then welcome to where it stops being easy.

Australia determines its own immigration policies. We're not part of the EU, we have no land borders. As we saw during covid we can have no arrivals of any kind from anywhere if we want.
Australia determines its own internal laws and policies. We already have hate speech laws, banned symbols etc. We can be "tough on <insert thing>" if we want to be.

When I was born the Muslim population of Australia was around 0.5%. When I finished school it was 1.5%. Now it's around 3-3.5%. In another 20 years it will most likely be 5%+. For reference it's 6% in the UK, 10% in France. 8-10% in Sweden, 5% in Denmark, 6% in the Netherlands... whose lead are we going to follow?

To ask a simple question - who asked for this? Which voting bloc by age, religion, political leaning - whatever, actually asked for this? Who if it were put to a referendum tomorrow would vote for increasing the Muslim population to 5% or 10%? Say what you want about good Muslims, peaceful Muslims etc. but the problems in the West always stem from the same source which is pretending that demographics don't matter. Western democracy has failed for decades now.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

So the dead shooter came in under John Howard, got his gun license under Tony Abbott/Malcolm Turnbull, but Albanese and Labor who have held power just 9 of the last 30 years is to blame? Am I reading that right?

No you aren't reading it right.

He got his Gun Licence in 2023. Who was the PM in 2023?

I'm not necessarily blaming anyone, but trying to shirk this solely onto the libs is just laughable and those trying too better be very careful with their facts, unless they want to be called out.

People need to be very careful attributing blame, until all the info comes out.

 

[Balls In]

Two votes vs 99.999°% of Australia? Not sure if you've thought this through.

Unless you're making a dishonest and hateful attempt to link immigration to this massacre?

We do NOT need an intifada playing out where our kids go to play at the beach ffs. It is dishonest and hateful of you to not acknowledge the part immigration has played in this disaster.

 

[Jupes]

i'm sure those willing to shoot dozens of people in cold blood are really going to care about some new convoluted gun restrictions

 

[SaintsSeptember]

3D printed guns must be a bloody hard thing to tackle too

They aren't very good though. 3D Printers specialize in special shapes, not special materials. ( though its possible to do some cool stuff with the right printers ).

Guns in general probably aren't that hard to make ( never really looked , certainly haven't tried ).
Rifling was first used in 1512.
Revolvers were developed in 1835.
Automatic Handguns 1892.

Australia developed an Automatic Machine gun for World War II. The prototype was built by a kid in a machine shop.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

i'm sure those willing to shoot dozens of people in cold blood are really going to care about some new convoluted gun restrictions

They may not care, but it makes things more difficult, that's the point.