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[Not Important]

the yanks have a long history of attacking nations they aren't partial to, and fomenting regime change. your country has been a pestilence for a long time.

"It's an old and obvious pattern. An unpopular president - failing on the economy and losing his grip on power at home - decides to launch a war for regime change abroad.

The American people don’t want to “run” a foreign country while our leaders fail to improve life in this one."p

pete buttegeig - substack

 

[bzparkes]

It would be a good start, but I'm not confident that will occur.

Perhaps. They might just hold another election once things stabilise. They need to root out the remnants of the incumbent government first.

That is the flaw in the American plan. They want the world to return to that period of time.

Whilst I don't want us to return to the societal norms of that time, it certainly would be nice to go back to a time where a factory worker could afford a house, car and support a family of 4-5 on a single income.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Elon and Trump must be besties again. Look at this guy. Could launch rockets into space with just his ears alone.
Reckon billionaires would hate the world less if they weren't all so ****ing ugly

More and more I get convinced that ultra wealthy people are stateless and should be treated as a threat to all nation states.

 

[Not Important]

yep, again. but you guys were warned. remember the "he'll have no guard rails" this time refrain? you were warned, yet still voted for the maniac. and congress has done sfa to restrain him

"Countries Trump Has Threatened With Additional Illegal Aggression in the Last 24 Hours


Venezuela


Iran


Mexico


Colombia


Cuba


He’s out of control. He’s deranged. This is the opposite of what he promised America when he ran for president. He said he’d focus on us."

 

[Seeds]

It would be a good start, but I'm not confident that will occur.



That is the flaw in the American plan. They want the world to return to that period of time.

Dont disagree with this. trump is an idiot and stuck in the past and probably thinks oil is important. But trump isnt the only one making the calls in regards to the military and geopolitics is played by many nations. Not just the USA.

 

[bzparkes]

the yanks have a long history of attacking nations they aren't partial to, and fomenting regime change. your country has been a pestilence for a long time.

"It's an old and obvious pattern. An unpopular president - failing on the economy and losing his grip on power at home - decides to launch a war for regime change abroad.

The American people don’t want to “run” a foreign country while our leaders fail to improve life in this one."p

pete buttegeig - substack

Pete doesn't understand that reducing foreign interference in USA politics, reducing drug supplies and eliminating a proxy for China, Russia and Iran in the Americas is a bad thing, clearly.

Imagine the money that'll be saved on prevention measures when there's no longer something to 'prevent'?

 

[Seeds]

Well, getting the USA to spend billions on military intervention needs to come with some kind of kickback. They're not going to do it for free.

It's important to note that at one time, Venezuela had the 4th largest GDP in the world(in the 50's) after the (mostly)USA developed their oil industry, received extraction rights and obviously paid taxes to the Venezuelan government. It wasn't until Venezuela nationalised their oil industry in 1976 that the decline began, primarily due to corruption over the country's 'elite' keeping the oil revenues for themselves and not actual developing the industry further.

Actually, it just goes to show how either inept the Iraq 8 year war was, or how manufactured it was for the Military Industrial Complex to profit from.

But isnt all nationalism of industry good and all foreign investment bad? Im confused.

It couldnt possibly be that its a complex nuanced issue that needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis?

 

[Not Important]

just rename it the "united states of oligarchs" and be done with it.

"Let’s be clear: When it comes to Venezuela’s giant oil reserves, America’s oil companies will be making money for themselves. During the 2024 campaign they made a deal with Trump on which they’re still cashing in."

Thug World

A new world order?

robertreich.substack.com

 

[Not Important]

i also wonder where all the pro-trump bigfooty voices have gone.

 

[Not Important]

David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf.bsky.social)

A president who wanted a peace prize is actually a prime candidate to be tried for war crimes.

bsky.app

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I wonder if people know that Venezuela has had the 2nd largest exodus of people fleeing the country after Syria since 2014? Nearly 8 million people have fled the country since then.

So ICE is going to have a fun next few months

 

[Not Important]

But isnt all nationalism of industry good and all foreign investment bad? Im confused.

It couldnt possibly be that its a complex nuanced issue that needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis?

or industry by industry basis, as they do in scandinavian countries?

 

[bzparkes]

But isnt all nationalism of industry good and all foreign investment bad? Im confused.

The issue with nationalising resources is that you put full control of them in the hands of the government. Get one corrupt bad actor and you are screwed. it sounds great in theory when you are a country like Norway/Denmark but those are the exceptions rather than the norms.

It couldnt possibly be that its a complex nuanced issue that needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis?

Well, as above, there are very rare cases of socialism actually working and even those 2 examples I made aren't full-blown examples either.

Don't get me wrong, I think a country should control its own resources but the issue is many who enter politics do so in bad faith and many who get into positions of power do so to line their own pockets and that's way easier when you control natural resources yourself as opposed to having a third party private company do it, who needs to show profits to appease shareholders.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Anyway this has been fun, but off with the Mrs to look at a new Rolex and discuss our next investment property (12 and counting..)

Good luck, I'm sure you'll eventually find one that likes you.

Oh, you meant 12 properties? Sorry, my bad.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Even if the opposition leader, who supposedly won 75% of the vote last election, leads the country?

"Leads"

We all know how the US works by now, Regime Change (we are here), On the cheap deals for US companies to rape and pillage for natural resources, no money goes to the people of said nation getting r*ped and pillaged, kick out US backed government, US gets shitty.

Rine, rise and repeat

 

[bzparkes]

So ICE is going to have a fun next few months

Well, a great deal of them ended up there legally as refugees/asylum seekers.

Having said that, I'm sure many of them would love to return home but simply couldn't when the Maduro regime was murdering protestors in the streets.

All over social media Venezuelans are celebrating right now, even the ones who hate Trump, so it's clear that they think this is the best thing to happen to the country in recent history and people who aren't Venezuelan should probably refrain from supporting Maduro.

 

[big_e]

 

[Seeds]

just rename it the "united states of oligarchs" and be done with it.

"Let’s be clear: When it comes to Venezuela’s giant oil reserves, America’s oil companies will be making money for themselves. During the 2024 campaign they made a deal with Trump on which they’re still cashing in."

Thug World

A new world order?

robertreich.substack.com

Who cares. This is potentially a great outcome for the venzuelan people. Far from a guarantee but a good start. Without global governance there is no other option to otherthrow dictators other then foreign invasion or military uprising. Thats the sad state of our world without global governance. Trump has probably done this for the wrong reasons. But outcomes matter, not intentions.

 

[bzparkes]

"Leads"

We all know how the US works by now, Regime Change (we are here), On the cheap deals for US companies to rape and pillage for natural resources, no money goes to the people of said nation getting r*ped and pillaged, kick out US backed government, US gets shitty.

Rine, rise and repeat

Again, the richest period of time in Venezuelan history was when the USA developed and 'r*ped' their oil reserves and paid billions in tax dollars to the government.

Who do you think 'r*ped' the country more in the past 100 years?

The country that develop Venezuela's oil industry and raised their GDP to be the 4th highest in the world in the 50s, or consecutive socialist regimes, culminated by 2 decades of successive dictators who ran the country into the ground?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Again, the richest period of time in Venezuelan history was when the USA developed and 'r*ped' their oil reserves and paid billions in tax dollars to the government.

Who do you think 'r*ped' the country more in the past 100 years?

The country that develop Venezuela's oil industry and raised their GDP to be the 4th highest in the world in the 50s, or consecutive socialist regimes, culminated by 2 decades of successive dictators who ran the country into the ground?

Its not the 1950s anymore its 2026.

The people of Venezuela are going to get nothing after the US is done, we all know it.

 

[bzparkes]

i also wonder where all the pro-trump bigfooty voices have gone.

What war?

Is there a war currently going on in Venezuela right now?

 

[Quokka]

Pete doesn't understand that reducing foreign interference in USA politics, reducing drug supplies and eliminating a proxy for China, Russia and Iran in the Americas is a bad thing, clearly.

Imagine the money that'll be saved on prevention measures when there's no longer something to 'prevent'?

How are yesterday's actions by the US going to have any significant impact on the supply of illegal drugs?

 

[bzparkes]

Its not the 1950s anymore its 2026.

The people of Venezuela are going to get nothing after the US is done, we all know it.

The people of Venezuela get nothing right now, because despite sitting on the largest oil reserves in the world, their entire industry collapsed.

Venezuela's hyperinflation got so bad for a few years people literally threw away their cash int he garbage, as it was completely worthless.

It's recovered somewhat but people still convert their currency to anything else as quickly as possible.

Do you think ousting a corrupt dictator, who ran the country into the ground, and establishing a proper oil industry again is going to make the country even worse?

It'll create 10s of thousands of jobs, boost the GDP and companies will pay taxes to the democratically elected government. Even if the USA takes a large slice of the pie, the quality of life for the average Venezuelan will massively improve.

 

[GreyCrow]

Anyone complaining about Maduro's arrest bothered to mention he was originally indicted in 2020? Trump's clearly played the long game but Biden kept up the criminal case and arrest reward.

Also, probably listen to all the Venezuelans on social media and look at the scenes coming out of the country after Maduro's arrest.

Russia, China and Iran have been using Venezuela since Chavez ousted the democratically elected leader in '07 and Venezuela's been the destabilizing force in the Americas since then.

I wonder if people know that Venezuela has had the 2nd largest exodus of people fleeing the country after Syria since 2014? Nearly 8 million people have fled the country since then.

Also, this aged badly

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Thats fine. As long as you recognise any Head of State is fair game

 

[Not Important]

Who cares. This is potentially a great outcome for the venzuelan people. Far from a guarantee but a good start. Without global governance there is no other option to otherthrow dictators other then foreign invasion or military uprising. Thats the sad state of our world without global governance. Trump has probably done this for the wrong reasons. But outcomes matter, not intentions.

assuming it's not irony. the other countries trump is considering intervening in should care. america should be concerned about their own shithole. stop attempting to be the world's cops. china is progressing at enormous rate while the shithole is going down the sewer. read some of the comments of david brookes, a republican commentator on those matters.