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Thanks all.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

No. It's what Americans wanted. Now they have it.
And now everyone suddenly has buyers remorse.

What relevance does that have at all? On the international stage the US, the supposed bastion of freedom, national sovereignty, rules based order etc etc has once again shown itself to be a rogue nation. You di realise the reason we have international law right? It didn't go too well last time nations decided to just go ahead and do whatever the hell they wanted and love by the ethos "might is right".

They did. But Hitler beat them to it.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Nobody asked me for my opinion on Netanyahu but when people cry about a country arresting one leader on an international arrest warrant then say they'd celebrate another, that's the true inconsistency of position because it shows they'll happily support it when it aligns with their politics and they don't actually think it's bad at all.

This is off tangent but put it this way: The Democrats were up in Arms when Trump did the whole "lock her up!" spiel in his 2016 campaign. He then proceeded to to nothing about it.

Democrats tried multiple times to prosecute Trump prior to the 2024 election and failed to impact his popularity. I spoke with a number of people after Trump was elected this term who were adamant Trump would start prosecuting Democrats, which clearly hasn't happened.

They were very happy to weaponise the system against him(including impeachments in 2019 & 2021) but were terrified when they thought it would happen to them.

It's obnoxious for people to play the moral high ground whilst supporting the same actions when they align with their political ideology.

People just need to be honest and say they're fine with it.

prosectuing trumps enemies hasn't happened? - theres a few pretty high profile revenge indictments going on right now

 

[jatz14]

Heavy Russian and Chinese involvement also. Maduro just met with a Chinese contingency hours before the USA snatched him.



You can't remove an entire government over night as what's left of a country will simply collapse. Will be interesting to see how they handle it after every bugled regime change in recent history though.



Hopefully soon. I want the entire thing released unredacted and everyone involved in criminal activity punished to the full extent of the law. Blow everything up.

As I said numerous times earlier, I'm sure Trump is in those in a bad way, which is likely why it'll never happen. Not just him but many of the world's 'elites' also.

Someone has to properly leak them for them to get fully released IMO and that person needs to be a legitimate source.

The Australian PM meets with Chinese officials too. Every countries leaders meet with Chinese officials if they get a chance. Are you saying this gives Trump a justification for overthrowing any government he wants to?

Trump meets with Chinese officials, can we get rid of him?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Seeing as how you like AI for your info, here's a rebuttal from ChatGPT. I copied and pasted your entire post and added no prompting of my own. Make of it what you will.

The claim you quoted mixes rhetoric, speculation, and factual error. Let’s break it down clearly and factually.

1. Has Trump put “most of his political foes in jail”?

No.

People are not in jail because of Trump’s political opposition to them. No credible evidence exists that Trump has used the justice system to jail political adversaries.

Individuals like Joe Biden, Democrats, or public figures have not been criminally prosecuted or jailed because of Trump’s orders.

The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) is institutionally independent, and prosecutors decide cases based on evidence and law.

So the claim that Trump has been prevented only by a “crooked justice department and a rigged Supreme Court” is baseless.

2. What about Jack Smith and the “crooked” prosecution claims?

Jack Smith is a special counsel appointed by the DOJ to oversee cases involving Trump. Claims that the judge was “illegally appointed” or that the case lacked legal basis come from partisan commentary — not credible legal analysis.
Federal judges are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

Judges do not resign simply because a case is “weak” — they follow the law.

Special counsels operate within DOJ rules; they do not act independently of the law.

There’s no legal consensus supporting the idea that any Trump-related prosecution is inherently invalid due to appointment issues.

3. Has Trump “gone after” many individuals/corporations/etc. in his second term (2025–2026)?

This likely refers to civil lawsuits, investigations, or threats of litigation, but:
Important distinctions
Civil lawsuits vs. criminal prosecution:

Trump could seek to sue entities himself (as a private individual) — but that’s very different from using the government to prosecute opponents.

Political rhetoric from supporters is not the same as legal action.

Official government lawsuits are typically brought by DOJ or other agencies, not by the president personally.

What we know (as of early 2026)
There is no evidence that Trump has:

Directed the DOJ to prosecute political enemies
Filed a systematic campaign of lawsuits against universities, corporations, or media organizations as part of an authoritarian purge
Used government power to “shake down” entities to make them toe a political line

There may be:
Civil suits by Trump personally (Trump has long been known to use litigation defensively or proactively)

Oversight or investigations initiated by Congress or executive agencies under his administration, but those are part of governmental authority, not personal vendettas.

But they are not on the scale claimed (e.g., hundreds of targeted prosecutions of political foes).

4. Is the DOJ “crooked” or “rigged”?
The U.S. justice system is deeply scrutinized, and critics from both sides attack it. But these points are important:

DOJ and federal prosecutors do not answer directly to the president on charging decisions.
Federal judges are appointed for life and cannot be removed easily.

Cases proceed on evidence and legal standards — not direct presidential preference.

That means:
A president cannot simply order prosecutions that will automatically stick.
Claims that prosecutions are “illegal” must be evaluated in court.

5. Has Trump targeted institutions like media, universities, corporations?

There is no verified record that Trump has:

✔ Systematically sued media companies as president

✔ Used federal power to force universities into political compliance

✔ Targeted law firms with official criminal accusations for being “political opponents”

There have been:
Public criticisms of media outlets
Comments about legal reforms
Political rhetoric against institutions perceived as unfriendly

But:
Rhetoric is not legal action
Public statements do not equate to prosecutions
Why this claim spreads

Here are the real reasons claims like this circulate:
✔ Emotional appeal
People like simple narratives such as:
“Leader X is persecuted by all enemies”

✔ Political alignment
Supporters or opponents use exaggerated claims to motivate their base.

✔ Confusion between rhetoric and reality
Criticism of “the media,” “big tech,” or “universities” gets exaggerated into legal persecution, when in reality it’s usually speech not legal action.

✔ Misinformation loops
Quotes like “he tried to sue hundreds of entities” often come from unverified social media, not documented court filings.

Bottom line (simple and factual)
No, Trump has not been jailing political opponents in his second term.

There is no credible basis to say the DOJ is illegally run or blocked him.

There is no evidence he has launched a systemic campaign of legal action against media, universities, corporations, or government departments as political enemies.

✔ Trump may engage in litigation as a private individual — but that’s different from government prosecutions.

in point one the chatbot misunderstood the statement

Trump wasn't prevented from criminal prosecution by the "crooked justice department and a rigged supreme court"
It was more he has been unable to do any prosecution even with the assistance of a crooked justice department and a rigged supreme court because his attempts are getting tossed out, but the chatbot doesn't detect the failed attempts

he did use DOGE to sack a lot of political "enemies" (scientists and those who compile and analyse data)

 

[Crankyhawk]

Odd thing to hope for.

not really. USA soldiers are just foreign fighters and are of zero net worth when they are invading another country

this is similar to a term that I previously would use to refer to russian invaders which is now banned because it hurts their fee fees.
Yes I have disrespect for invading military forces.

 

[Present Not Past]

What relevance does that have at all? On the international stage the US, the supposed bastion of freedom, national sovereignty, rules based order etc etc has once again shown itself to be a rogue nation. You di realise the reason we have international law right? It didn't go too well last time nations decided to just go ahead and do whatever the hell they wanted and love by the ethos "might is right".

On the international stage the US, the supposed bastion of freedom, national sovereignty, rules based order.

Did you deliberately miss the part where American voters didn't vote for that when they elected Donald Trump as President?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

On the international stage the US, the supposed bastion of freedom, national sovereignty, rules based order.

Did you deliberately miss the part where American voters didn't vote for that when they elected Donald Trump as President?

Irrelevant.

 

[Present Not Past]

Irrelevant.

Sorry, single word replies don't do it for me.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

This isn't geo politics. It's business.

More Cosa Nostra than Coca Cola though.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Sorry, single word replies don't do it for me.

US citizens don't dictate international law.

 

[Present Not Past]

US citizens don't dictate international law.

US citizens elected a President who bypasses international law.
It's on them to correct it.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

US citizens elected a President who bypasses international law.
It's on them to correct it.

Or the international community. Unlikely obviously but the point is the last time a rogue nation/power thumbed their nose at international law so brazenly it led to WW2.

 

[Present Not Past]

Or the international community. Unlikely obviously but the point is the last time a rogue nation/power thumbed their nose at international law so brazenly it led to WW2.

Is that when Venezuela had tried to annex Austria and the Sudetenland you may have had a point.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Sorry, single word replies don't do it for me.

Odd tangent replies seem to do it for you though. I still have not had you explain what relevance you were making re Israel and Gaza when I hoped Venezuelan forces seize trump and his family in reprisal

 

[Kappa]

Aw mate. It’s a bit tiring re-litigating this shit over and over.

I’m sure you’re aware of the rules around Martial law in Ukraine and elections. So continuing to say VZ is corrupt and “won’t hold elections” is just a pro-Russian propaganda line.

As is the idea that the US doesn’t have enough money - Spare me.

Putin has a big ego, and so does Trump. He wants to end the war so he can get a Peace Prize. Ukraine be damned.

People like you are so tiring because you think everything is black or white. "oh you criticized zelensky? derppp that must mean u love Putin right?????" No. Zelensky is not a saint, billions of dollars has gone missing on his watch, he has made sure he himself has gotten personally rich. he has committed crimes on the ukraine/russia border, if you think Zelensky is not corrupt at all you are truly clueless. I'll spell this out for you THIS DOES NOT MEAN PUTIN IS GOOD, do i need to repeat that?

The US is literally extremely broke, they do not have the money to tunnel extra tens of billions into Ukraine. How can you be so wrong so confidently?

You can't refute a single one of my points

 

[Satan]

There have been many claims in this thread about 8 million Venezualans leaving in the last 12 years

Yet this page says different

Venezuela Population (2025) - Worldometer

Population of Venezuela: current, historical, and projected population, growth rate, immigration, median age, total fertility rate (TFR), population density, urbanization, urban population, country's share of world population, and global rank. Data tables, maps, charts, and live population clock

www.worldometers.info

View attachment 2505017

I am quite happy to concede there was significant downturn in the population - and my estimate is 2 million - not 8 million as several have claimed

So if someone can send me a source that would be good thanks

Includes cattle bringing on disease ?

 

[Tigerat2020]

Imagine if China had done this. They would be called an evil, out of control nation.

On this Maduro precedent, China can safely take Taiwan in the same way now.

Why is the dictatorship of North Korea never mentioned as a target for regime change?

Albanese is a no principled leader, a weak man and just as bad as Starmer.

 

[jatz14]

Rookie numbers compared to Tim Walz. Whilst all fraud should be punished, especially by state governors, at least DeSantis can't run for re-election.

Do you mean the fraudulent claims that they just uncovered a Somalian fraud ring? And I am not sure how you bring Walz into this, he asked for more authority to tackle this issue, and the people now saying he should have done more, said NO.

 

[jatz14]

People like you are so tiring because you think everything is black or white. "oh you criticized zelensky? derppp that must mean u love Putin right?????" No. Zelensky is not a saint, billions of dollars has gone missing on his watch, he has made sure he himself has gotten personally rich. he has committed crimes on the ukraine/russia border, if you think Zelensky is not corrupt at all you are truly clueless. I'll spell this out for you THIS DOES NOT MEAN PUTIN IS GOOD, do i need to repeat that?

The US is literally extremely broke, they do not have the money to tunnel extra tens of billions into Ukraine. How can you be so wrong so confidently?

You can't refute a single one of my points

You havent made any points. Your just repeating Russian propaganda talking points. And the US isn't funnelling tens of billions into Ukraine, and hasn't for some time. Again, pro Russian talking points. Most of the cash is coming from Europe, and most US equipment is also coming from European stockpiles, or is being bought for Ukraine, by Europe. A stop gap measure until European production ramps up enough to support Ukraine completely, given the next step Putins puppet is expected to take is to stop letting European countries buy weapons for Ukraine.

The US is being completely removed as an essential component for ongoing Ukrainian support, for obvious reasons.

 

[jatz14]

Trump has said he wants to end the war. He’s never called for a just ending.

How is how it started in any way relevant to Trump?

What is it that he has done that says to you, he wants the war to end? Just passing Russia demands, clearly intended to be so objectionable to Ukraine that they could not agree, along as some sort of plan, doesn't count imop.

 

[jatz14]

Is it possible for the hatred of the Orange Man to be put aside and acknowledge that millions of Venezuelans may actually be ecstatic with these developments?

Umm, no?

Venezuelan's were happy when they thought Trump was removing the Maduro regime, not just Maduro.

Trump rejecting the logical most democratic opponent, in favour of working with Meduros also oppressive deputy, and the existing Maduro regime, seems to be tempering that initial surge of joy.

As this indicates that Trump wasn't all that concerned about Venezuelans being oppressed, as much as he was about the fact that their oppressor wasn't answering to him, and now they are.

So, in Trump world, all is now sweet, and Venezuelans are likely still being oppressed, its just now Trump gets a cut.

So, How about we wait a few days, and see how ecstatic Venezuelans are then, once they have got their heads around what they actually got, instead of what they thought they got?

 

[jatz14]

I can guarantee the reaction would be completely different if it was Obama or even Sleepy Joe who did it.
The Socialists would be out in force, saying the oppressed have been freed.

No, it wouldn't, but the thing is, they wouldn't have done it. Do you seriously think they would have blown up a few speed boats, they were running drugs, trust me bro, by the way, we are going to invade.

Its not Trump, its what he did, and it would be objectionable if done by anyone else, but almost no one else would have.

 

[jatz14]

How would he have achieved that?

Some ideas:

• Trying to bully the Fed Reserve Chairman to lower interest rates (didn’t work)
• Trying to lower the price of oil by taking over Venezuela (lowering the price of oil by $10 a barrel lowers inflation by around 0.2%). Jury is still out whether this will work.
• Any others?

I suspect he was using it as leverage over people and thought he could get away with it.



As tenuous as things are with Venezuela at the moment, he doesn’t have US boots on the ground taking part in an extended conflict. Yet.

Not having boots on the ground doesn't mean its not a conflict, that's an asinine assertion.

The claims about Venezuelan oil are stupid. The jury isnt out. The US controlling Venezuelan oil does not lower US oil prices by 1 cent, as oil is an internationally traded commodity, and US prices will reflect international prices, regardless, especially since the GOP cut the restrictions on exporting US oil, to enable their rich donors to send oil wherever they could get the best price. Also, the actual amount of money US oil has committed to the billions Trump wants is ZERO, and is likely to stay at Zero.

As for the Fed, what the actual **** are you on about? The Fed didn't lower interest rates, because that would have boosted inflation. Trump wanted rates lowered because its getting hard to hide unemployment, so he wanted the economy boosted, but this would have worsened inflation, so the Fed said no.

And others, yes, how about going back in time and undoing all the stupid ****ing decisions he made, and stop parroting on about the sort of moronic stupidity that now passes as actual US economic policy?

 

[76woodenspooners]

I’m suggesting it doesn’t make a difference if he campaigned on it, because he has broken a stack of election promises, as I outlined a few of these.

I dispute your generous theory that he wants to end the war, as a starting point to explain his statements and action.

He got elected. That kept him out of prison. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to kick back and do SFA and spend his days playing golf? And yet he hasn’t?

You really think he’d prefer the Ukraine war to continue?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Not having boots on the ground doesn't mean it’s not a conflict, that's an asinine assertion.

Think about it from the point of view of an American voter, what do they care about?

It’s the forever wars. Wars are meant to be won.

They’re not meant to go on forever and being expensive and spilling the blood of American sons and daughters. The voters don’t like that.

What has happened in Venezuela is not that. (yet)

The claims about Venezuelan oil are stupid. The jury isnt out. The US controlling Venezuelan oil does not lower US oil prices by 1 cent, as oil is an internationally traded commodity, and US prices will reflect international prices, regardless, especially since the GOP cut the restrictions on exporting US oil, to enable their rich donors to send oil wherever they could get the best price. Also, the actual amount of money US oil has committed to the billions Trump wants is ZERO, and is likely to stay at Zero.

The price of oil, like any commodity, is set by the forces of supply and demand.

Developing the Venezuelan reserves and flooding the market with oil increases supply.

What would happen to the price of oil if demand is constant and supply dramatically increases?

As for the Fed, what the actual **** are you on about? The Fed didn't lower interest rates, because that would have boosted inflation. Trump wanted rates lowered because it’s getting hard to hide unemployment, so he wanted the economy boosted, but this would have worsened inflation, so the Fed said no.

Did that stop Trump from trying?

No.

And others, yes, how about going back in time and undoing all the stupid ****ing decisions he made, and stop parroting on about the sort of moronic stupidity that now passes as actual US economic policy?

Sure, you could get outraged and tie yourself up in knots about how awful Trump is, and that we’re all doomed. But what’s the point of that?