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You can not give Austin a pat on the back for recruiting Farher Sons. They don't test a list manager's ability to spot talent. In my opinion Father Sons should give a recruiter more scope to identify talent with other picks. This years draft with multiple picks after Walker will be interesring
I am happy to give Austin plenty of pats on the back. He is not perfect, but has done very well with the draft capital we have had and the parameters he has been given.

Not sure what you are expecting from this year’s draft, Norf’s second rounder will be bloody handy though. In my mind, if our recent recruits do as well as I am expecting, we will need to focus our attention on the next generation of talls before the Tassie compromised years. Defensively, with Dean and O’Farrell, we have the making of our key defence for over a decade. We will, however need, at least depth either mature or a youngster developing for when Weitering declines. Logic says to me it should be an intercepting third tall should we take a youngster. One who could team with Weiters, Dean and HOF. While we have Lewis Young or his ilk as ā€œinsuranceā€, we probably don’t need another gun young KPD.

I have more faith than most that Kemp and Skull O’Keeffe will form a highly effective tall forward group with Big H. Regardless, we need to draft a genuine KPF prospect to be ready to assume the no. 1 mantle from Harry in 3 or 4 years. That is perhaps our most pressing need assuming our current youngsters and Cody meet their potential.

The army of Carlton ā€œhatersā€ out there and indeed many of our own followers, some in here, have failed to see the unobtrusive way the list has been built in recent years. We have ample small and medium role players both defensively and now forward and, output pending, likely on the wings as well. There might be some very red faces on the knockers around here as a number of our kids step up to display the fact, we are now ā€˜stacked’ in most areas of the ground, with the exact mix still to be determined due to so many options.

Perhaps the largest question long term involves our rucks. Pitto is a serviceable warrior who likely will be challenged by the revised rules. Reidy is a beast and does have skills, but needs to elevate considerably to become a long term staple. I believe he has the raw materials to become a top 10 ruck, some times it is just about opportunity and confidence. Here is hoping. O’Keeffe can still revert to ruck first if needed short term, but I think they are on the right path making him a forward first. Pitto is going to end the coming season as a 30yo, so we either need to draft a young gun, trade or draft some genuine mature depth or look at a high profile trade or possibly free agency for a no. 1 ready to go type. The Saints really screwed us with the ridiculous price tag for TDK. He should unfortunately take a step or two forward with the new rules.
 
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I am happy to give Austin plenty of pats on the back. He is not perfect, but has done very well with the draft capital we have had and the parameters he has been given.

Not sure what you are expecting from this year’s draft, Norf’s second rounder will be bloody handy though. In my mind, if our recent recruits do as well as I am expecting, we will need to focus our attention on the next generation of talls before the Tassie compromised years. Defensively, with Dean and O’Farrell, we have the making of our key defence for over a decade. We will, however need, at least depth either mature or a youngster developing for when Weitering declines. Logic says to me it should be an intercepting third tall should we take a youngster. One who could team with Weiters, Dean and HOF. While we have Lewis Young or his ilk as ā€œinsuranceā€, we probably don’t need another gun young KPD.

I have more faith than most that Kemp and Skull O’Keeffe will form a highly effective tall forward group. Regardless, we need to draft a genuine KPD prospect to be ready to assume the no. 1 mantle from Harry in 3 or 4 years. That is perhaps our most pressing need assuming our current youngsters and Cody meet their potential.

The army of Carlton ā€œhatersā€ out there and indeed many of our own followers, some in here, have failed to see the unobtrusive way the list has been built in recent years. We have ample small and medium role players both defensively and now forward and, output pending, likely on the wings as well. There might be some very red faces on the knickers around here as a number of our kids step up to display the fact, we are now ā€˜stacked’ in most areas of the ground, with the exact mix still to be determined due to so many options.

Perhaps the largest question long term involves our rucks. Pitto is a serviceable warrior who likely will be challenged by the revised rules. Reidy is a beast and does have skills, but needs to elevate considerably to become a long term staple. I believe he has the raw materials to become a top 10 ruck, some times it is just about opportunity and confidence. Here is hoping. O’Keeffe can still revert to ruck first if needed short term, but I think they are on the right path making him a forward first. Pitto is going to end the coming season as a 30yo, so we either need to draft a young gun, trade or draft some genuine mature depth or look at a high profile trade or possibly free agency for a no. 1 ready to go type. The Saints really screwed us with the ridiculous price tag for TDK. He should unfortunately take a step or two forward with the new rules.
I share your positivity. I'm quietly confident we'll play better footy and start to move in the right direction this year. How far that takes us this year is the unknown. Plenty of so called experts writing us off. Hopefully this is a motivation for our coaches and playing group.
 
Can someone please clarify how many potentially available spots we have in regards to our list, taking into account Jessie and Harry's LTIs. Do we have one spot to fill and potentially two supplementary spots?
 

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Can someone please clarify how many potentially available spots we have in regards to our list, taking into account Jessie and Harry's LTIs. Do we have one spot to fill and potentially two supplementary spots?
Nothing has yet been announced regarding Motlop and/or O'Farrell being put on the Inactive List. As far as we know (yet), there is only one spot remaining to be filled via the SSP. There are two players (White and E Hollands) with train-on positions for that spot, but the spot can be filled from outside of those two.
 
Nothing has yet been announced regarding Motlop and/or O'Farrell being put on the Inactive List. As far as we know (yet), there is only one spot remaining to be filled via the SSP. There are two players (White and E Hollands) with train-on positions for that spot, but the spot can be filled from outside of those two.
Article landed regarding Elijah in the Hun (Ralph) just now….mentions ā€œCarlton has until Feb 20 to decide if Hollands lands one of two vacant list spotsā€.

So suggests that perhaps we have 2.
 
Article landed regarding Elijah in the Hun (Ralph) just now….mentions ā€œCarlton has until Feb 20 to decide if Hollands lands one of two vacant list spotsā€.

So suggests that perhaps we have 2.
As JJBagger suggests above, I think there's a general assumption that Mots will be placed on the Inactive List, given his injury has been reported as season-ending. Or perhaps the club has already done so, and just not announced it.
 
You can not give Austin a pat on the back for recruiting Farher Sons. They don't test a list manager's ability to spot talent. In my opinion Father Sons should give a recruiter more scope to identify talent with other picks. This years draft with multiple picks after Walker will be interesring

Maybe but you can't hold it against him either.

I give Austin credit for going to the draft because he did that with Jagga - essentially passing up Dan Houston was the indicator on where Austin was heading. This helps balance out the salary cap which hopefully means we can target King, Walter, Humphrey, etc next off-season. Will be interesting to see who Austin targets but if he can add a bit of the high end talent back in and lower the age profile while getting a massive return for Curnow we will be seeing the full strategy playing out.
 
You can not give Austin a pat on the back for recruiting Farher Sons. They don't test a list manager's ability to spot talent. In my opinion Father Sons should give a recruiter more scope to identify talent with other picks. This years draft with multiple picks after Walker will be interesring
Exactly, given the opportunity we should be making the most of adding more top talent via the draft. Austin and the club need to avoid the sugar-rush approach and take to the bank multiple high-ceiling type players rather than just Walker and an expensive trade.

Teddy-Hopkins talks about avoiding a "disastrous bottom-out" but avoiding that for the sake of it by pretending we are better equipped than we are would be even more disastrous.
 

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Interesting Liam Pickerings list assessment of A & B graders at each club on SEN, https://www.sen.com.au/news/2026/02...and-b-grade-players-at-every-club-2026-season has parallels to the forecast ladder for 2026.

Bris 15
Coll 12
Gee 12
Haw 12
Adel 11
Fre 11
GC 11
GWS 11
Syd 11
West B 11
Carl 9
Ess 8
St.K 8
Port 7
Rich 7
Melb 6
NM 6
WC 6




I always thought bottom 6 had a greater impact, maybe not?
Bottom 6 does have a larger impact, but smart coaching can mitigate a lot of those weaknesses. If you add back

Players often also look better in a good team. Someone like Atkins wouldn't look like a B-Grader with us.
 
Exactly, given the opportunity we should be making the most of adding more top talent via the draft. Austin and the club need to avoid the sugar-rush approach and take to the bank multiple high-ceiling type players rather than just Walker and an expensive trade.

Teddy-Hopkins talks about avoiding a "disastrous bottom-out" but avoiding that for the sake of it by pretending we are better equipped than we are would be even more disastrous.

So you're advocating for a full on bottom-out rebuild right when Tassy are wiping out the draft?

That is the current Collingwood model so maybe we should jump on board with them.
 
Interesting Liam Pickerings list assessment of A & B graders at each club on SEN, https://www.sen.com.au/news/2026/02...and-b-grade-players-at-every-club-2026-season has parallels to the forecast ladder for 2026.

Bris 15
Coll 12
Gee 12
Haw 12
Adel 11
Fre 11
GC 11
GWS 11
Syd 11
West B 11
Carl 9
Ess 8
St.K 8
Port 7
Rich 7
Melb 6
NM 6
WC 6




I always thought bottom 6 had a greater impact, maybe not?

Interesting Hewett is a B grader but Dunkley is an A grader. George quite a way ahead of Dunkley by any measure.

Re. predicted ladders. History shows every year there is at least one club that goes from the bottom 6 to top 6. Yet every year everyone's predicted ladders never predict this.
 
Interesting Hewett is a B grader but Dunkley is an A grader. George quite a way ahead of Dunkley by any measure.

Re. predicted ladders. History shows every year there is at least one club that goes from the bottom 6 to top 6. Yet every year everyone's predicted ladders never predict this.
Mine do. But my predicted team is always wrong.
 
Interesting Hewett is a B grader but Dunkley is an A grader. George quite a way ahead of Dunkley by any measure.

Re. predicted ladders. History shows every year there is at least one club that goes from the bottom 6 to top 6. Yet every year everyone's predicted ladders never predict this.
Which measures is George quite a way ahead of Dunkley ?

None of these:
Kicks
Handballs
Marks
Tackles
Premierships

I’d say overall they are pretty even though.
 

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Which measures is George quite a way ahead of Dunkley ?

None of these:
Kicks
Handballs
Marks
Tackles
Premierships

I’d say overall they are pretty even though.


Disposals
Handballs
i50s
Goal assists (triple)
Contested possessions
Effective disposals
Clearances
Score involvements
(kicks, goals, behinds, etc. about even)

Dunkley got him on tackles that's about it. The rest is even or George.
 

Disposals
Handballs
i50s
Goal assists (triple)
Contested possessions
Effective disposals
Clearances
Score involvements
(kicks, goals, behinds, etc. about even)

Dunkley got him on tackles that's about it. The rest is even or George.
In 2025 only. What about career stats?

You don't base being an A Grader or better than another player based on one season out of twelve.

Most neutral footy pundits would support the ratings (A = Dunkley, B = Hewett), probably many carlton supporters too.
 
No offence, guys, but shouldn't we be doing this in a 2026 thread? The practice matches will be starting soon and it is only 4 weeks before our opening game (ridiculous as that is).
 
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