Most overrated player in the AFL currently?

[Former Decathlete]

He was leading first ten round last year on most metrics for his position.

Meh.
I've watched a fair bit of him and something is a bit off.

Sure you can cherry pick some weird vague stat if you like. What exactly was he "leading" at "round 10"?
It's a pretty weak flex I'm sorry.

He actually finished 7th in the Giants B and F and the Giants weren't that flash.

7th in an average side. What does that make him?

If he's as good as you seem to think then he's top 3 in the Giants no? Surely top 5?

But 7th is indicative that even his own club agrees with me. He ain't going that well and he's definitely not elite.

 

[JHF1870]

Meh.
I've watched a fair bit of him and something is a bit off.

Sure you can cherry pick some weird vague stat if you like. What exactly was he "leading" at "round 10"?
It's a pretty weak flex I'm sorry.

He actually finished 7th in the Giants B and F and the Giants were that flash.

7th in an average side. What does that make him?

If he's as good as you seem to think then he's top 3 in the Giants no? Surely top 5?

But 7th is indicative that even his own club agrees with me.

I collected stats last year but I don't expect you to appreciate that given you were one of the ones that laughed at what I did. He was on top first 10 rounds. Esava was on top for 4 rounds when he got put back but then got injured.

Not surprised given your defenders were leaking goals all season.

 

[Toump Ass]

All I can say is thank Christ the club has overlooked him.

You make it sound like Adelaide lost interest in Oliver?
I'm pretty sure Melbourne decided to keep him, which was a massive **** up on our part. He's been garbage for two years.

As others have said he was very good at what he did, but I don't think AFL demands contested beats much these days anyway.

 

[Former Decathlete]

I collected stats last year but I don't expect you to appreciate that given you were one of the ones that laughed at what I did. He was on top first 10 rounds. Esava was on top for 4 rounds when he got put back but then got injured.

Not surprised given your defenders were leaking goals all season.

Once again a very weird argument.
The Swans defence is shit..I've been saying that for years. But highly irrelevant to this discussion.

If your metrics had Esava and Taylor doing well then I suggest you check your metrics.

I'll say it again.

Taylor played 20 games and finished 7th in the B and F.
Hes not going that well.

If your metrics don't have Andrews as the number one tall defender than keep changing your metrics until they do.

 

[JHF1870]

Once again a very weird argument.
The Swans defence is shit..I've been saying that for years. But highly irrelevant to this discussion.

If your metrics had Esava and Taylor doing well then I suggest you check your metrics.

I'll say it again.

Taylor played 20 games and finished 7th in the B and F.
Hes not going that well.

If your metrics don't have Andrews as the number one tall defender than keep changing your metrics until they do.

I also said first 10 or so games of the year, and then he got rounded up which is why saying he's overrated is wild. I think having him in the GWS side really complemented his play because all the other defenders played their role.


We went through this over and over with you and Fadge who I've ignored for being far too argumentative. I collected all stats relevant to defence and tried to block up players by style of defender. As with the forward line, when I selected my AA team it wasn't necessarily rated on total points scored but on the relative metric.

I made some adjustments during finals and even more for this season so that defenders get much more respect. They've got about a 10% adjustment from last year.

From memory he was leading oooc percentage and spoils early but other players did better overall for the whole season. Josh Worrell was absolutely robbed last season.

Again, you used the b&F rankings for the entire season but I was merely mentioning the first 10 games and saying he's not at all overrated.

I mean I could agree with you that he is overrated on the way the media talk about him more than the other very capable defenders. Would that fit?

 

[Former Decathlete]

Where are people with Oscar Allen

4

Oscar Allen

Age

27

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

?

27yo and only one good season.

Where is he really at? I'm not sure.

Oscar Allen of the Brisbane Lions Career AFL Stats

Oscar Allen of Brisbane Lions career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

 

[Scotland]

Where are people with Oscar Allen?

27yo and only one good season.

Where is he really at? I'm not sure.

Oscar Allen of the Brisbane Lions Career AFL Stats

Oscar Allen of Brisbane Lions career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

Not that highly rated I would suggest. Similar to Tom De Koning, he got an offer he couldn't refuse.

WC had a contract on the table, and Hawthorn famously showed interest as Allen met with Sam Mitchell. From what I can gather they baulked at the asking price, as did everyone except the Lions.

Allen got paid, WC got pick 2 and the rest is history. All parties know what they signed up for.

 

[Former Decathlete]

Not that highly rated I would suggest. Similar to Tom De Koning, he got an offer he couldn't refuse.

WC had a contract on the table, and Hawthorn famously showed interest as Allen met with Sam Mitchell. From what I can gather they baulked at the asking price, as did everyone except the Lions.

Allen got paid, WC got pick 2 and the rest is history. All parties know what they signed up for.

Fair enough and good luck to him.
You just wonder if the Lions might regret it.
Will be an interesting watch..
At least with TDK you can see the impressive athletic profile.

 

[hr_23]

Fair enough and good luck to him.
You just wonder if the Lions might regret it.
Will be an interesting watch..
At least with TDK you can see the impressive athletic profile.

to be fair to the Lions they have a great record at getting oft injured players back up & going
all he really needs to do for them is half contests & average a goal a game

 

[BigFrizz36]

Where are people with Oscar Allen?

27yo and only one good season.

Where is he really at? I'm not sure.

Oscar Allen of the Brisbane Lions Career AFL Stats

Oscar Allen of Brisbane Lions career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

If he was a horse in the mounting yard before last night's game the commentary would be "stayer resuming, looks very burly and you would expect him to improve with more hard racing". Reported thathevhsd hamstring awareness last jight which is a concern.

 

[Chip Scab1]

If he was a horse in the mounting yard before last night's game the commentary would be "stayer resuming, looks very burly and you would expect him to improve with more hard racing". Reported thathevhsd hamstring awareness last jight which is a concern.

Yep, Raceday for would have read; Not Today, Passing.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Not that highly rated I would suggest. Similar to Tom De Koning, he got an offer he couldn't refuse.

WC had a contract on the table, and Hawthorn famously showed interest as Allen met with Sam Mitchell. From what I can gather they baulked at the asking price, as did everyone except the Lions.

Allen got paid, WC got pick 2 and the rest is history. All parties know what they signed up for.

Turning Oscar into CDT was a good bit of business for everyone

Despite all the ranting about the captain wallkng out, all parties knew what was happening very early on and that it was best for everyone

Hes a good player and he'll go well at Brissy

 

[GWT6]

Meh.
I've watched a fair bit of him and something is a bit off.

Sure you can cherry pick some weird vague stat if you like. What exactly was he "leading" at "round 10"?
It's a pretty weak flex I'm sorry.

He actually finished 7th in the Giants B and F and the Giants weren't that flash.

7th in an average side. What does that make him?

If he's as good as you seem to think then he's top 3 in the Giants no? Surely top 5?

But 7th is indicative that even his own club agrees with me. He ain't going that well and he's definitely not elite.

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Can't believe they still call it the Kevin Sheedy medal. Made no sense at the time, and is now absolutely laughable.

AFL marketing completely scewed up and overcooked everything they touched, including the terrible name of Greater Western Sydney, and The Giants.

This is what happens when marketing "experts" are put in charge. They need to get rid of these embarrassing names.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

Oscar Allen

4

Oscar Allen

Age

27

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

’s best season was on the back of playing against the 3rd best defender each week. Clubs had to contend with Kennedy and Darling first up. Darling in particular playing a selfless team role of running patterns and clearing path for the other 2 for Wet Toast’s version of a 3 headed monster.

His body in recent years is best described by Shakespeare. “The spirit is willing to enjoy good coin, but the flesh is weak.”

 

[WilloTree]

If he was a horse in the mounting yard before last night's game the commentary would be "stayer resuming, looks very burly and you would expect him to improve with more hard racing". Reported thathevhsd hamstring awareness last jight which is a concern.

Nice one. 'Up in grade, but gets weight relief. Might need a run after 124 day spell. Keep safe'.

 

[Scotland]

Oscar Allen’s best season was on the back of playing against the 3rd best defender each week. Clubs had to contend with Kennedy and Darling first up.

His best season was in 2023 after Josh Kennedy retired.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

His best season was in 2023 after Josh Kennedy retired.

Fair call Sir

 

[Osho]

Yeah, it's funny how defensive people are of Toby Greene, especially a lot of non-Giants supporters. He's a bit of an enigma, his form of polarisation getting so many footy followers over-reacting to both his unlikeability and likeability for some reason, especially blokes.

I actually really like the bloke as a player, he has some real tricks, gives a game some life, and seems to be loved by his teammates. He also plays for a relatively inoffensive club who I often find myself shouting for in a match when I'm watching as an otherwise impartial. So yeah, I'm often on his side. Not as much as Dwayne "Toby would've got six weeks for that" Russell mind you, but don't mind seeing him and his team do well.

But I've seen too many finals now where he's failed to fire when really needed (including getting suspended for September in 2021) and flop on the big stage. Barring the two big finals against Richmond, where he failed to show up for either to our advantage, I've found him a disappointment more often than not.

I'm not counting an exhibition game in mid-February as the big stage either.

Bingo!

The torrent of ejaculant zipping around commentary boxes when Toby plays is incredible. The repression , and enthusiasm, is impressive.

I do like his bush ranger personality, his dislike of authority, it's entertaining, and I could imagine enjoying his company at a bogan bash. And the referees' blatant unfair treatment of him is pathetic.

But really, he can be a complete nincompoop, and a liability, for his team, and he is prone to the fairly frequent unforced error. I enjoy watching him, but have little confidence in how he will perform quarter to quarter. He's a solid sub elite footy player, with a temper and a drawl.

If he were a car he'd be a Kingswood, a wine, in a cask.

 

[1972championsofaust]

With out a doubt!

Jordan De Goey!

 

[Peters_Nuts]

With out a doubt!

Jordan De Goey!

His body as let him down over the past 2 seasons though I think his finals performances speak for themselves.

There are plenty of other "stars" who go to water in big games.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Can't believe they still call it the Kevin Sheedy medal. Made no sense at the time, and is now absolutely laughable.

AFL marketing completely scewed up and overcooked everything they touched, including the terrible name of Greater Western Sydney, and The Giants.

This is what happens when marketing "experts" are put in charge. They need to get rid of these embarrassing names.

Pretty sure that the Giants made the call to name it the Kevin Sheedy award. Recognition of his input at the outset. If it becomes outdated you know that they can just change it accordingly. Carlton's B &F was previously known as the Robert Reynolds award and was rather sensibly updated to the John Nichols award.

 

[HeathySure]

Pretty sure that the Giants made the call to name it the Kevin Sheedy award. Recognition of his input at the outset. If it becomes outdated you know that they can just change it accordingly. Carlton's B &F was previously known as the Robert Reynolds award and was rather sensibly updated to the John Nichols award.

Its nice that they named it after an embezzler

 

[Digsby]

Luke Ryan

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Long time believer in Draper in this thread.

But I'd say Adam Saad

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Adam Saad

Age

31

Ht

178cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

349.1

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

388.3

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

is a strong candidate for most overrated.

 

[Digsby]

Long time believer in Draper in this thread.

But I'd say Adam Saad is a strong candidate for most overrated.

WOOF!