Retired 14. Liam Jones

[Outback Footy]

Good luck with your future Liam, I always had high hopes for you when you were with us, but the reinvention as a backman was perfect for you at the Blues. You'll be remembered as a Blues player more than a Dog.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Gleeson reckons Jones' refusal to explain his reasons will make it harder for us to argue for exceptional circumstances and an additional or compensation draft pick...

 

[sbwan]

Gleeson reckons Jones' refusal to explain his reasons will make it harder for us to argue for exceptional circumstances and an additional or compensation draft pick...

I'd love if we got some compensation but I'd be furious if the AFL gave it to any other team in the same situation. There's no real basis for it, he's choosing to take an action which makes him ineligible to play.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Happy to take the compensation if it was delivered, but hardly disastrous for us if we don't.. Reality is that Liam is a 31yo, with 2 years left of his career.. Could easily have had a season long knee injury, or plagued by a hammy for the next 12 months and we would have had to deal with the circumstances.. Bringing in Young, we were already planning for life without Liam and this will just fastrack that transition..

Our defensive structure is likely (hopefully) to be completely different under Voss than it was under DT, so wont be as reliant on a 1 on 1 style defender like Jones.

 

[Sin City]

Gleeson reckons Jones' refusal to explain his reasons will make it harder for us to argue for exceptional circumstances and an additional or compensation draft pick...

Is it only the media that he’s refused to explain things to though? Any confirmation that he hasn’t been straight up with the club and the AFL? That does sound a bit like a salty journo having a bitch.

 

[bmaurizio]

Happy to take the compensation if it was delivered, but hardly disastrous for us if we don't.. Reality is that Liam is a 31yo, with 2 years left of his career.. Could easily have had a season long knee injury, or plagued by a hammy for the next 12 months and we would have had to deal with the circumstances.. Bringing in Young, we were already planning for life without Liam and this will just fastrack that transition..

Our defensive structure is likely (hopefully) to be completely different under Voss than it was under DT, so wont be as reliant on a 1 on 1 style defender like Jones.
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Agree with your comments in general , however losing a prime starting 22 player , whom is integrated and performing well is a set back for CFC and the AFL should show some consideration and understanding , it cant be swept under the carpet.
What if another player disgruntled with AFL & Sate legislation regarding vaccination and restrictions , now emboldens and follows Liam's stance? plenty of eyes are on AFl and State government response and implications.

 

[Arr0w]

Jones has retired, which effectively opens up a spot on the list, which I believe will be filled with a DFA, with a similar type, a KPP

There should not be an extra compensation pick

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Jones has retired, which effectively opens up a spot on the list, which I believe will be filled with a DFA, with a similar type, a KPP

There should not be an extra compensation pick

Rory Thompson looks gettable all of a sudden

 

[Bletch]

Jones has retired, which effectively opens up a spot on the list, which I believe will be filled with a DFA, with a similar type, a KPP

There should not be an extra compensation pick

Brad Lloyd today:
"From a playing list point of view, I’ve been in pretty regular contact on the weekend with Andrew Dillon and the AFL. We’ll be able to replace Liam’s position on the list. You’d be aware of the supplementary period where you can have players train on with the Club and then select one of those post-draft. We’ll also discuss with the AFL the possibility of having another pick in the draft if that’s a chance."

Lloyd on next steps

Head of Football Brad Lloyd spoke on SEN following Liam Jones' retirement.

www.carltonfc.com.au

By no means certain we'll be able to replace Jones before or during the draft. Based on what he says here, it's the SSP, and a negotiation with the AFL for use of a pick at the draft - but it would be an existing pick (64). You'd hope the AFL would agree to this at least. Compo pick is extremely unlikely you'd think.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Is it only the media that he’s refused to explain things to though? Any confirmation that he hasn’t been straight up with the club and the AFL? That does sound a bit like a salty journo having a b*tch.

I think that's a very reasonable question to ask but I'm not sure why Gleeson would be salty about the situation?

Brad Lloyd today:
"From a playing list point of view, I’ve been in pretty regular contact on the weekend with Andrew Dillon and the AFL. We’ll be able to replace Liam’s position on the list. You’d be aware of the supplementary period where you can have players train on with the Club and then select one of those post-draft. We’ll also discuss with the AFL the possibility of having another pick in the draft if that’s a chance."

By no means certain we'll be able to replace Jones before or during the draft. Based on what he says here, it's the SSP, and a negotiation with the AFL for use of a pick at the draft - but it would be an existing pick (64). You'd hope the AFL would agree to this at least. Compo pick is extremely unlikely you'd think.

Being able to take one extra pick in the draft, even if its literally the last pick used, would seem a sensible resolution.

 

[Bletch]

Rory Thompson looks gettable all of a sudden

Not a criticism, but why the interest in Rory Thompson? Injury-prone 30yo, who hasn't managed a game in past 3 seasons. I know he was a good player in his early years, but if we were to go for a mature player, surely we'd be looking for one that would play a solid 16+ games. Can't see it being him.

 

[Arr0w]

Rory Thompson looks gettable all of a sudden

No thanks, not Thompson, Rance or a Talia type. We aren't a flag contender, so I would rather the club invest in options that have more than a year or 2 in them

Brad Lloyd today:
"From a playing list point of view, I’ve been in pretty regular contact on the weekend with Andrew Dillon and the AFL. We’ll be able to replace Liam’s position on the list. You’d be aware of the supplementary period where you can have players train on with the Club and then select one of those post-draft. We’ll also discuss with the AFL the possibility of having another pick in the draft if that’s a chance."

By no means certain we'll be able to replace Jones before or during the draft. Based on what he says here, it's the SSP, and a negotiation with the AFL for use of a pick at the draft - but it would be an existing pick (64). You'd hope the AFL would agree to this at least. Compo pick is extremely unlikely you'd think.

SSP period is more than adequate to add a viable option, while still targeting talent in the draft

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

It's not as though the AFL are doing something that hasn't already been implemented in some other codes around the world.

I'd be keen to know if they have sought legal advice on the legality of the mandate....

 

[Bletch]

SSP period is more than adequate to add a viable option, while still targeting talent in the draft

Pro: Get to try out a few options over summer and pick the best to add to the list
Con: Better options may get picked up in the draft

Would be nice to have the flexibility to use the draft and the SSP as a fall-back.

 

[Aphrodite]

Lloyd on next steps

Head of Football Brad Lloyd spoke on SEN following Liam Jones' retirement.

www.carltonfc.com.au

From a playing list point of view, I’ve been in pretty regular contact on the weekend with Andrew Dillon and the AFL. We’ll be able to replace Liam’s position on the list. You’d be aware of the supplementary period where you can have players train on with the Club and then select one of those post-draft. We’ll also discuss with the AFL the possibility of having another pick in the draft if that’s a chance.

On the potential of Mitch McGovern

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Mitch Mcgovern

Age

31

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

189.8

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.1

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

179.6

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

218.0

4star

moving to defence:
He’s got some real ability and he can play forward and can go back. It’s certainly an option for ‘Vossy’ to work through for sure.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Not a criticism, but why the interest in Rory Thompson? Injury-prone 30yo, who hasn't managed a game in past 3 seasons. I know he was a good player in his early years, but if we were to go for a mature player, surely we'd be looking for one that would play a solid 16+ games. Can't see it being him.

I think he‘s clearly the most talented stop gap available. As like for like with LJ as it gets. Injury permitting of course.

Would give us 2-3 years service whilst we find a replacement. Not sure Young is that person.

 

[katmanblue]

Think we have lost a very good player and a quality person.

No doubt. That's why it's so frustrating. Feels like we've lost him for no good reason.

 

[katmanblue]

I am not getting into whats right or wrong mate, merely commenting on the big footy self appointed judge and jury mentality.

Fair enough.

 

[katmanblue]

Medical exemptions are extremely hard to come by. I know someone who got pericarditis from Pfizer and they’re not exempt from a booster

The AFL may have given him an exemption to their policy.

 

[katmanblue]

Enough abuse towards Jones. You can express an opinion without it.

[emoji122]

 

[katmanblue]

The boys are showing him plenty of love on social media, including Doc.

Doc's a hellova bloke. Pure class.

 

[katmanblue]

Glad they have more compassion and common sense than some in here.

I've noticed it's not all of them.

 

[BigFrizz36]

The heraldsun has a write up of who we have as potential replacements for Liam Jones

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Liam Jones

Age

34

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

. No mention whatsoever of Young. It's like he doesn't exist. Good research guys.

 

[AceAndy]

The heraldsun has a write up of who we have as potential replacements for Liam Jones. No mention whatsoever of Young. It's like he doesn't exist. Good research guys.

Who did they list as replacements ?

 

[Garters]

7.5 billion, I don't think so.

7.49 Billion to be exact (Bloomberg) So you are able to start thinking so