2003 Crows lineup

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
I'd rate Doughty ahead of Burns. Mattner/Burns is a toss up. Burns is no walk up start.

Different types of players - Burns is a crumbing forward, whereas Doughty & Mattner are midfielders. Selecting teams is very much a personal value judgement. It would appear we have more depth than last year, which will be important for when we get injuries.

 

[Jerome]

Jezza's team for 2003:

F: Edwards, Carey, Burns
HF: Bode, Stevens, Welsh
C: Stenglein, Riccuito, Burton
HB: John****, McGregor, Smart
B: Bassett, Rutten, Hart

R: Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod

Int: Biglands, Bickley, Torney, Gallagher/Ladhams

Rutten has been included as we need some more height and strength in that area. Bassett is great but he needs help. Forward line looks good, if we can keep them fit and well (which we should). It's not overly tall but it will do the job.

McGregor is the guy in this side who has to improve this year. We need a reliable CHB. His second half of the season was good but he must do more.

Jerome

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Different types of players - Burns is a crumbing forward, whereas Doughty & Mattner are midfielders.

I realise that. I was just commenting on the changes you made to your side pre-Burns/post-Burns.

 

[Jars458]

Backs: Hart Bassett Torney
Half Backs: Smart McGregor Massie
Centres: Edwards Stenglein Mattner
Half Forwards: Welsh Stevens Ricciuto
Forwards: Burns Carey Burton
Ruck: Clarke McLedo Goodwin

I/C: Bickley Bode Biglands John****

Emerg: Ladhams Doughty Gallagher

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Have to change my line-up to make room for rockin Ronnie.

B: Hart, Bassett, Smart
HB: Bickley McGregor, Edwards
C: Stenglein, Riccuito, Ladhams
HF: Burton, Stevens, Welsh
F: Burns, Carey, Bode
R: Biglands, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Clarke, Fitzgerald, Torney, Johnstiffy
E: Massie, Gallagher, Doughty

Damn, got to change my team again after the delisting of Fitzy:

B: Hart, Bassett, Smart
HB: Bickley McGregor, Edwards
C: Stenglein, Riccuito, Ladhams
HF: Burton, Stevens, Welsh
F: Burns, Carey, Bode
R: Biglands, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Clarke, Torney, Johnstiffy, Doughty
E: Massie, Gallagher, Mattner

 

[King Crow]

Take 3

B: Hart, Bassett, Torney
HB: Smart, McGregor, Johncok
C: Edwards, Ricciuto, Stenglein
HF: Welsh, Stevens, Ladhams
F: Burton, Carey, Burns
R: Biglands,McLeod, Goodwin
I: Clark, Bickley, Rutten, Bode

E: Crowell, Gallagher, Massie, Marsh


We will all miss you Fitzy, lets hope you can excel in your other talent.... TV

God bless Ryan Fitzgerald, and Crowzone.

You are a champion in my eyes

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Consensus Team

Based on the 9 teams submitted so far, this is a consensus line-up. The numbers in brackets means how many times the player was picked in that position (ie. we all agree on Hart, Kenny, Stevo & Carey), with the 2nd number representing the times the player was picked elswhere in the team or on the bench.

B: Hart (8), Bassett (7/1), Smart (4/4)
HB: Bickley (3/5), McGregor (8), Edwards (3/5)
C: Ladhams (2/4), Riccuito (5/3), Stenglein (6/2)
HF: Welsh (7/1), Stevens (8), Bode (3/4)
F: Burns (4/0), Carey (8), Burton (5/3)
R: Biglands (6/2), Goodwin (3/5), McLeod (6/2)
I: Clarke (7/1), Torney (4/4), Johnstiffy (3/5), Doughty (2/1) or Mattner (2/1)
E: Rutten (0/2), Crowell (0/2),Massie (0/1), Gallagher (0/1)

 

[snakebite01]

Re: Consensus Team

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Based on the 9 teams submitted so far, this is a consensus line-up. The numbers in brackets means how many times the player was picked in that position (ie. we all agree on Hart, Kenny, Stevo & Carey), with the 2nd number representing the times the player was picked elswhere in the team or on the bench.

B: Hart (8), Bassett (7/1), Smart (4/4)
HB: Bickley (3/5), McGregor (8), Edwards (3/5)
C: Ladhams (2/4), Riccuito (5/3), Stenglein (6/2)
HF: Welsh (7/1), Stevens (8), Bode (3/4)
F: Burns (4/0), Carey (8), Burton (5/3)
R: Biglands (6/2), Goodwin (3/5), McLeod (6/2)
I: Clarke (7/1), Torney (4/4), Johnstiffy (3/5), Doughty (2/1) or Mattner (2/1)
E: Rutten (0/2), Crowell (0/2),Massie (0/1), Gallagher (0/1)

Excellent work Kane. Looks an awesome team.

 

[lamby29]

Why are you all naming the King at FF? I think he is far better suited to CHF.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by lamby29
Why are you all naming the King at FF? I think he is far better suited to CHF.

It will be interesting to see where he plays, but I would prefer to see him at full forward for a few reasons.
a) That is our biggest hole at the moment. Mark Stevens does a very good job at CHF.
b) Carey is a very reliable kick - moreso than Stevens or Burton - and he would be an awesome focalpoint.
c) Carey is possibly too old and had too many injuries to be the brilliant CHF that he was, but in a relatively easier role as FF he could still be one of the best in that position. And even if he isn't past it as a CHF, he'd probably still be in the game longer with the reduced workload of a FF.

 

[ajmart]

Kane's summary has 27 players nominated.

Then we have pinch hitters like Perrie, Nelson and Marsh-can all contribute at times-so don't be too negative.

And I like the looks of Hentschel, Schuback and Matthew Smith, not sure about Reilly.

What this means to me is that we have some depth if we get injuries ( depending on who gets injured).

If our 2nd and 3rd tier players contribute like they did this year, I cannot see us falling out of the top 4, even if Carey and Burns do not fire, as our only real loss is Kane Johnson. As well, we finished comfortably in 3rd position at the end of the minor round and I cannot see Essendon, Kangaroos, West Coast or Melbourne improving enough to displace us.

Cheers,
AJ

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by DaveW

It will be interesting to see where he plays, but I would prefer to see him at full forward for a few reasons.
a) That is our biggest hole at the moment. Mark Stevens does a very good job at CHF.
b) Carey is a very reliable kick - moreso than Stevens or Burton - and he would be an awesome focalpoint.
c) Carey is possibly too old and had too many injuries to be the brilliant CHF that he was, but in a relatively easier role as FF he could still be one of the best in that position. And even if he isn't past it as a CHF, he'd probably still be in the game longer with the reduced workload of a FF.

Beautifully summed up Dave. If we play Carey at CHF he will battle to see out 2 years due to the physical pressures placed on that position. The Crows game plan is to go long to the square and Carey at FF will probably get at least 3 more years besides being just what we need there. Stevens does a great job at CHF.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by ajmart
Kane's summary has 27 players nominated.

Then we have pinch hitters like Perrie, Nelson and Marsh-can all contribute at times-so don't be too negative.

And I like the looks of Hentschel, Schuback and Matthew Smith, not sure about Reilly.

What this means to me is that we have some depth if we get injuries ( depending on who gets injured).

If our 2nd and 3rd tier players contribute like they did this year, I cannot see us falling out of the top 4, even if Carey and Burns do not fire, as our only real loss is Kane Johnson. As well, we finished comfortably in 3rd position at the end of the minor round and I cannot see Essendon, Kangaroos, West Coast or Melbourne improving enough to displace us.

Cheers,
AJ

I believe we have a squad good enough to challenge for another flag not just for the next 2 years but at least the next 5, if we could jag a decent ruckman type at the next draft or miracle of all miracles Marsh comes good & along with the expected developement of Ruttens, Hentshell & others, throw in Wayne Careys contribution not just on the field but as a teacher to our young guns then life could be looking rosy for the AFC & its supporters,

Matthew Smith! must confess don't know to much about him, what position does he play & is he a late developer??

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by noddy


Matthew Smith! must confess don't know to much about him, what position does he play & is he a late developer??

Matt was drafted from Victoria as our 3rd draft pick at the 2000 national draft. Played as a CHF as a young player. He suffered from a bruised heel for about the first half of 2001, and played for Port Reserves when he finally came good.

The start of his 2002 year was again marred by a bruised heel, costing him a proper pre-season and a few games at the start of the year. Had an excellent year progressing from Port reserves to their senior side and played some excellent games for them as a tall defender - took 14 marks in 1 game off memory, and several games where he took more than 10 marks.

His dad was Mike Smith, a tough CHF in Westies 1983 premiership side.

If he carries on from where he finished the season he should get games this year when the opportunities present themselves.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by macca23


Matt was drafted from Victoria as our 3rd draft pick at the 2000 national draft. Played as a CHF as a young player. He suffered from a bruised heel for about the first half of 2001, and played for Port Reserves when he finally came good.

The start of his 2002 year was again marred by a bruised heel, costing him a proper pre-season and a few games at the start of the year. Had an excellent year progressing from Port reserves to their senior side and played some excellent games for them as a tall defender - took 14 marks in 1 game off memory, and several games where he took more than 10 marks.

His dad was Mike Smith, a tough CHF in Westies 1983 premiership side.

If he carries on from where he finished the season he should get games this year when the opportunities present themselves.

Thanks for that Macca23 he sounds promising,

 

[SkARkS_69]

3rd time lucky lol.

B:Hart Bassett Bickley
HB:Torney McGregor Stenglein
C:Goodwin Riccuito Bode
HF:Welsh M.Stevens Burns
F:Johncok Carey Burton
R:Biglands Edwards McLeod
I:Clarke Ladhams Smart Doughty
E:Massie Mattner Marsh

 

[Spogs]

B: Hart, Bassett, Smart
HB: Bickley, McGregor, Edwards
C: Burton, Stenglein, Ladhams
HF: Welsh, Stevens, Bode
F: Burns, Carey, Riccuito
R: Biglands, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Clarke, Torney, Johnstiffy, Doughty (Gallagher)

(Substitute Sheedy with Ladhams if we get him)

I like the idea of Roo up forward. He's the best long leading forward in the side and the best kick from the 45 to 55 metre range. I reckon that playing him in a pocket gives us almost the complete forward line coz he and Welsh are also both pretty good overhead grabs as well as good readers off the pack.

Love to get Sheedy in the middle area, not sure about Ladhams. Mattner may slot in on a wing.

Backmen need two things, balance and poise. Hart, Smart, Bickely and Edwards all have it so must play most of their footy back. Bassett's has the balance but not the poise and I'm not sure what McGregor's got so they're the two big concerns. Torney's a good pickup but not a key position player so can't really see where he'll fit in.

Rotate Bickley and Edwards and maybe Roo through the middle, Stenglein generally takes a tag and I think my side looks pretty good.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Spogs
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Torney's a good pickup but not a key position player so can't really see where he'll fit in.

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The advantage of having Torney is that he is a very good half back flanker. This releases Edwards to go from defence where he spent most of last year to much more attacking roles such as the mid-field or up forward where his skill is very damaging. This helps cover some of the loss of Johnson.

I would place them

B: Hart, Bassett, Smart
HB: Torney, McGregor, John****
C: Doughty, Riccuito, Stenglein
HF: Welsh, Stevens, Edwards
F: Burns, Carey, Burton
R: Biglands, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Clarke, Ladhams, Bode, Bickley

Apologies to Massie, Mattner, Crowell who will get games when injuries occur.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

With several players such as Welsh, Bode, Ladhams, McGregor, Doughty & John**** stepping up last year (& they had to with the loss of Jarman, Robran & Vardy) & the recruitment of a net 2 experienced players (ie. Carey, Torney, Burns - less loss of Johnson), we appear to have more depth this year than last. This could be important with injuries likely. Side looks more balanced this year with the forward line looking more potent.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
B: Hart, Bassett, Smart
HB: Bickley McGregor, Edwards
C: Stenglein, Riccuito, Ladhams
HF: Burton, Stevens, Welsh
F: Burns, Carey, Bode
R: Biglands, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Clarke, Torney, Johnstiffy, Doughty
E: Massie, Gallagher, Mattner

Thought I would dig out this old thread to see how the pre-season has changed my mind. Wouldn't change too much, but assuming Welshy was fit & we could pick a full-strength team, I would now make a few adjustments:

B: Hart, Bassett, Smart
HB: Stiffy, McGregor, Torney
C: Reilly, Stenglein, Ladhams
HF: Edwards, Stevens, Welsh
F: Perrie, Carey, Ricciuto
R: Biglands, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Clarke, Burton, Bickley, Bode
E: Mattner, Doughty, Burns

IN: Reilly, Perrie
OUT: Doughty, Burns

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin

B: Hart, Bassett, Smart
HB: Stiffy, McGregor, Torney
C: Reilly, Stenglein, Ladhams
HF: Edwards, Stevens, Welsh
F: Perrie, Carey, Ricciuto
R: Biglands, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Clarke, Burton, Bickley, Bode
E: Mattner, Doughty, Burns

IN: Reilly, Perrie
OUT: Doughty, Burns

I think the back 6 is how they will line up. I also think the wingmen will be as they lined up in the Wok final - Reilly and Burton. I can't see Roo lining up in a FP though if both Carey and Perrie play up forward - it needs Edwards, Bode or Ladhams (or even Burns) if they go that way. Roo and Goodwin could well change off a HF flank, with Macca and Edwards out of the FP. There sure are a hell of a lot of options!!!

As Welsh won't be available for a while, my 22 without him is as below:

B: Hart, Bassett, Smart
HB: Stiffy, McGregor, Torney
C: Reilly, Stenglein, Burton
HF: Ricciuto, Stevens, Ladhams
F: Carey, Perrie, Edwards
R: Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Biglands, Doughty, Bickley, Bode
E: Mattner, Burns

I still woudn't be surprised to see Burns in the opening 22 though.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I still woudn't be surprised to see Burns in the opening 22 though.

Have to agree with you there macca23. As far as form in the Wizard Cup goes I think its fair to say he doesn't deserve a spot. But something tells me that he will be in our 22 to face Freo at Foty Park in weeks time.

I think he will most probably be given a chance on a basis as to what he can do in a sensational burst. I think you will find that Gary is a fan of Ronnie's and as such Burns is a very good consideration to get selected. Lets just hope that he is played out of Forward Pocket where he plays his best footy.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I think he will most probably be given a chance on a basis as to what he can do in a sensational burst. I think you will find that Gary is a fan of Ronnie's and as such Burns is a very good consideration to get selected. Lets just hope that he is played out of Forward Pocket where he plays his best footy.

Yep, that's how I see him being played - as a burst player out of a FP. Ayresy must be playing games with Ronnie, because he has no history of being a mid-fielder, yet Ayresy keeps playing him there rather than a FP.

In his odd moments in the pocket he has looked dangerous.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Yep, that's how I see him being played - as a burst player out of a FP. Ayresy must be playing games with Ronnie, because he has no history of being a mid-fielder, yet Ayresy keeps playing him there rather than a FP.

In his odd moments in the pocket he has looked dangerous.

IT a headache thats for sure. Whoever misses out on the spot in 22 against Freo can consider himself bloody unlucky

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by macca23
As Welsh won't be available for a while, my 22 without him is as below:

B: Hart, Bassett, Smart
HB: Stiffy, McGregor, Torney
C: Reilly, Stenglein, Burton
HF: Ricciuto, Stevens, Ladhams
F: Carey, Perrie, Edwards
R: Clarke, Goodwin, McLeod
I: Biglands, Doughty, Bickley, Bode
E: Mattner, Burns

So Macca if you were to pick a full-strength team with Welshy, what adjustments would you make?