Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[Crow-mo]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Ebert might lack pace but he's a smart and clean footballer. Should be intresting to see how he slides into the group now he has finally got a full preseason under his belt.

smart, clean, slow...

that doesn't sound very exciting, that sounds like a middle of the road player.

 

[tesseract]

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smart, clean, slow...

that doesn't sound very exciting, that sounds like a middle of the road player.

What has being exiting got to do with quality? What it sounds like to you is irrelevant. Ebert's good footballing has spoken for itself and will continue to. He's performed well thus far and is performing to expectations.

One doesn't need pace if they're going to be the one digging the ball out of the packs.
Also, Ebert still manages to find a decent amount of ball despite his lack of pace.

Ebert, as has recently been reported, has bulked up over the off season and is looking ripped, which will give him the size and the confidence to hit contests harder and become a more inside player and even more a ball winner.

 

[Enforcer25]

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What has being exiting got to do with quality? What it sounds like to you is irrelevant. Ebert's good footballing has spoken for itself and will continue to. He's performed well thus far and is performing to expectations.

One doesn't need pace if they're going to be the one digging the ball out of the packs.
Also, Ebert still manages to find a decent amount of ball despite his lack of pace.

Ebert, as has recently been reported, has bulked up over the off season and is looking ripped, which will give him the size and the confidence to hit contests harder and become a more inside player and even more a ball winner.

That's right. As long as that's all you want him to be good for.
And a player with one string to his bow IS a middle-of-the-road player.

Sounds like Brock McLean mk II.
We lucked out to get rid of him for pick 11.

 

[tesseract]

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That's right. As long as that's all you want him to be good for.
And a player with one string to his bow IS a middle-of-the-road player.

Sounds like Brock McLean mk II.
We lucked out to get rid of him for pick 11.

I never said that's all he could do. To watch WCE games shows as much.
Ebert hasn't been only an inside midfielder to this point. My point regarding Ebert becoming bigger in size is that he'll now be even more effective at that inside role.

What's with all this sounds like shit. It's irrelevant. What he's actually done is relevant.

Pace is handy for certain other roles, but not absolutely vital, Ebert has shown this by way of his performances so far.

 

[Forrest Gimp]

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smart, clean, slow...

that doesn't sound very exciting, that sounds like a middle of the road player.

...and in jumps Crow-mo with his daily Eagles jibe. Does it ever frustrate you knowing you're so predictable?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

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That's right. As long as that's all you want him to be good for.
And a player with one string to his bow IS a middle-of-the-road player.

Sounds like Brock McLean mk II.
We lucked out to get rid of him for pick 11.

One string? Have you ever watched Ebert play football from Junior years up till now? From U16's onwards he was known for his marking power, goal smarts, leadership, tackling andstrength over the ball.

Speed is not the only way to break free, look at Scully he is medium paced (as tested) but has great lateral movement and a massive tank, Ebert has the smarts and as he improves his endurance he wont be stuck picking up hard ball inside packs for the rest of his career.

I can pull a quote from Voss that declared Ebert as a future AFL captain if you want.

 

[Lach72]

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Cheers mate, yes I had completely forgotten him -

I've slotted him into position #3, so my updated top 15 looks like the following:

Kreuzer
Walker
Cotchin
Palmer
Rioli
Ward
Dangerfield
Pears
Morton
Otten
Masten
Grimes
Thompson
Taylor
Rance

I'd swap Mayne for Rance...

 

[jaitachi]

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You are kidding yourself if you think ANY team would take Rioli over Kruezer. Midfielders are a dime a dozen nowadays. Big men with hand skills and athletic ability to match these midfielders are pretty rare.

Besides, Kruezer has NEVER been a good ruckman. If you ask him in a personal setting he will straight out say, I'm not a ruckman. He belongs in the forward line. Even with his good, but not great, ruck talents, even Hawthorn, St Kilda, Brisbane and Sydney would jump on him.

So for example you would pick Kruezer over Ablett Jnr if they were both available? I personally reckon the best midfielder is more important then the best ruckman (not that kruze is even close). Also im not stating rioli is equal to ablett in case you people get the wrong idea.. just using an example

If kruze was going to be as good as Franklin,Riewoldt,Brown that would b a different matter of course hehe

 

[WALL-e]

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Very happy with our draft. Danger, Otto, Tex, and you'll see some Cookie Moster and Jackie this year.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

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Given that there is usually some demand for ruckmen in a draft, and taking on board comments that Kruezer ( spelling?) is more of a key position player, I would expect Ben McEvoy would still be in the mix, though I'm not sure if he would be percieved as better than Shane Mumford ( who was traded for pick 28 ).

 

[Partridge]

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An injured Riewoldt it turns out, but otherwise, yeah he did a pretty good job.

Garbage. Riewoldt is THE protected species in football - no one wants to admit he was beaten by a better player on the day. I can't remember another occasion where a top player has been beaten in a Grand Final but somehow gets credit for it.

Interestingly enough, Taylor beat Princess Riewoldt just as badly in the 2008 Qualifying Final - same venue, and very similar conditions. Perhaps Taylor just matches up extremely well.

Back to topic, I think Kruezer or Cotchin are going to be the standouts.

 

[Partridge]

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Why? He had a sensational season. You can't just ignore the opinions of those that have a different view to you just because it doesn't help your argument.

He's not just a good developing player, he's already a star of the game, which puts him in a different boat to those in his draft at the moment. The others are based on potential when Rioli is already a gun in his second year.

Did he? He was good in some games but he wasn't sighted in others. He kicked a whopping 21 goals for the season. For someone who spends a lot of time up forward (and yes I'm aware he'll go through the midfield) he needs to do more than that.

He's a fantastic young player but he's not a superstar just yet.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

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Rioli made an amazing impact during his first season, giving him much of his reputation. But last year we didn't see as much. To be fair though he probably didn't have the supply that he saw in 2008, but that is true for all teams, we compare forwards in different teams with different opportunities based on results , not results as a percentage of opportunities.
We have now seen other second year players improve significantly so that the likes of Palmer and Rioli are now not such standouts.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

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Rioli made an amazing impact during his first season, giving him much of his reputation. But last year we didn't see as much. To be fair though he probably didn't have the supply that he saw in 2008, but that is true for all teams, we compare forwards in different teams with different opportunities based on results , not results as a percentage of opportunities.
We have now seen other second year players improve significantly so that the likes of Palmer and Rioli are now not such standouts.

Rioli finished 2nd in the B&F in his 2nd year, and was winning before he did his hammy which put him out for 3 games.

Most people that watched the majority of Hawthorn games know he showed A LOT more than 2008. I'm just excited to see what he'll produce this year. He is definitely the standout of 2008 so far.

 

[morebeer]

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Rioli is a freak and a future great of the game. The only people that don't see that are the ones who do not bother to watch other teams.

The guy is very similar to Wanganeen, in that he never loses a contest. And then his hurt factor going forward is like Long.

He is a blue blood who will probably be better than all his relatives.

 

[masai]

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He is a blue blood who will probably be better than all his relatives.

Let's be honest, if we are talking about the Rioli Clan, there is only one who was above average. Above average, he was a bleeding champion, yep Maurice puts his hand up.

As good as you think Cyril is, he has a darn long way to catch up to Uncle Maurice.

Yes I know the Long Clan also are mixed in with the Rioli's, but Maurice >>>> Michael.

 

[yaco55]

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Let's be honest, if we are talking about the Rioli Clan, there is only one who was above average. Above average, he was a bleeding champion, yep Maurice puts his hand up.

As good as you think Cyril is, he has a darn long way to catch up to Uncle Maurice.

Yes I know the Long Clan also are mixed in with the Rioli's, but Maurice >>>> Michael.

Have to agree.

 

[yaco55]

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Let's be honest, if we are talking about the Rioli Clan, there is only one who was above average. Above average, he was a bleeding champion, yep Maurice puts his hand up.

As good as you think Cyril is, he has a darn long way to catch up to Uncle Maurice.

Yes I know the Long Clan also are mixed in with the Rioli's, but Maurice >>>> Michael.

Have to agree.

 

[Crow-mo]

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...and in jumps Crow-mo with his daily Eagles jibe. Does it ever frustrate you knowing you're so predictable?

I am not remotely frustrated by your imagination, why would would I be?

but thanks for your concern.

 

[Crow-mo]

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One string? Have you ever watched Ebert play football from Junior years up till now? From U16's onwards he was known for his marking power, goal smarts, leadership, tackling andstrength over the ball.

sounds like you're hoping people haven't, and thus won't recognise you pointing at a lemon, screaming its an orange.

he's a one paced, vanilla mid. and that was always the fear about him as junior, that he was advanced had good leadership, but lacked tools. so far, that's the way its played out.

I can pull a quote from Voss that declared Ebert as a future AFL captain if you want.

I can pull a quote from Brereton saying Aaron James was going to be a superstar CHF, what's your point caller?

 

[Crow-mo]

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Let's be honest, if we are talking about the Rioli Clan, there is only one who was above average. Above average, he was a bleeding champion, yep Maurice puts his hand up.

As good as you think Cyril is, he has a darn long way to catch up to Uncle Maurice.

Yes I know the Long Clan also are mixed in with the Rioli's, but Maurice >>>> Michael.

Maurice was the daddy.

 

[ghostbat12]

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sounds like you're hoping people haven't, and thus won't recognise you pointing at a lemon, screaming its an orange.

he's a one paced, vanilla mid. and that was always the fear about him as junior, that he was advanced had good leadership, but lacked tools. so far, that's the way its played out.




I can pull a quote from Brereton saying Aaron James was going to be a superstar CHF, what's your point caller?

i think you are more hoping he is a lemon so you wont have to hear for a decade how Crows should have picked ebert over dangerfield cant fathom why you would have such a campaign against a player on an opposition team thats not in ur own state.

although its obvious you know nothing about ebert's injuries/operations over last two years so not even worth a response to your skills query. tough to educate the ones who wish to remain uneducated .

 

[Crow-mo]

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i think you are more hoping he is a lemon so you wont have to hear for a decade how Crows should have picked ebert over dangerfield cant fathom why you would have such a campaign against a player on an opposition team thats not in ur own state.

of course you can't fathom why there would be such a campaign, and that's largely because its a figment of your own, under-developed imagination.

I'd start there, if you want to figure it out.

although its obvious you know nothing about ebert's injuries/operations over last two years so not even worth a response to your skills query. tough to educate the ones who wish to remain uneducated .

sure thing.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

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Very happy with our draft. Danger, Otto, Tex, and you'll see some Cookie Moster and Jackie this year.

As well as Lance Armstrong.

 

[WALL-e]

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As well as Lance Armstrong.

Whoops, forgot Tony....

In that case, a very very good draft.