Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[Roger Rogerson]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Rioli made an amazing impact during his first season, giving him much of his reputation. But last year we didn't see as much. To be fair though he probably didn't have the supply that he saw in 2008, but that is true for all teams, we compare forwards in different teams with different opportunities based on results , not results as a percentage of opportunities.
We have now seen other second year players improve significantly so that the likes of Palmer and Rioli are now not such standouts.

Rioli's 2009 was better than his 2008. No doubt.

Take the time to sit and watch this kid closely before you gloss over him again. Doesn't give the Ablett one-two - he runs straight in the direction of the goals like Judd because on the burst he is gone in the blink of an eye.

Would love to see a football kicked into space with Rioli and Selwood competing. Just could not tell you who would win the contest.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I can.... Selwood...... without a doubt.

Probably leave Rioli on the ground with broken ribs too.

Selwood is just that good. No wonder Sheeds wants him.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

sounds like you're hoping people haven't, and thus won't recognise you pointing at a lemon, screaming its an orange.

he's a one paced, vanilla mid. and that was always the fear about him as junior, that he was advanced had good leadership, but lacked tools. so far, that's the way its played out.

Your total lake of knowledge is totally crippling your argument, Eberts class in traffic by foot and hand has always made him an asset to any club. Ebert has had his first full preseason since joining the club.

Goodluck with your experiment of turning Dangerfield into an AFL midfielder.

Woosha and Co are very impressed by Eberts perfomance over the preseason and are expecting big things from him and the rest of our Brigade of young upcoming midfielders.

 

[hawks_time]

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I can.... Selwood...... without a doubt.

Probably leave Rioli on the ground with broken ribs too.

Is that meant to be a compliment to Selwood?

 

[Crow-mo]

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Your total lake of knowledge is totally crippling your argument,

yes, I am a total lake of knowledge.

I am the johan cruyff of knowledge.

Eberts class in traffic by foot and hand has always made him an asset to any club. Ebert has had his first full preseason since joining the club.

Goodluck with your experiment of turning Dangerfield into an AFL midfielder.

Woosha and Co are very impressed by Eberts perfomance over the preseason and are expecting big things from him and the rest of our Brigade of young upcoming midfielders.

sometimes, I think you might be Freo fan applying the reverse troll maneuver.

other times...

 

[Rusty Beam]

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Is that meant to be a compliment to Selwood?

Definately it's a compliment and no it wasn't meant to endorse thuggery. More a statement about selwood's ferocious attack on the ball. Selwood (along with maybe Hayes) already has the best mix of toughness and skill in the afl. Selwood would win your proposed contest everytime.

 

[Enforcer25]

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Your total lake of knowledge is totally crippling your argument, Eberts class in traffic by foot and hand has always made him an asset to any club. Ebert has had his first full preseason since joining the club.

Goodluck with your experiment of turning Dangerfield into an AFL midfielder.

Woosha and Co are very impressed by Eberts perfomance over the preseason and are expecting big things from him and the rest of our Brigade of young upcoming midfielders.

Are you trying to win the argument by including a photo??

Dangers has it all over Ebert. If only you realised.

 

[cannons]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

sounds like you're hoping people haven't, and thus won't recognise you pointing at a lemon, screaming its an orange.

he's a one paced, vanilla mid. and that was always the fear about him as junior, that he was advanced had good leadership, but lacked tools. so far, that's the way its played out.

I have to say that I agree, although perhaps not to the same degree.

He just doesn't have anything that really sets him apart. He looks more like a good, solid contributor rather than a gun midfielder.

Of course, he is still young, and has suffered injuries, so I may be proven incorrect, but that's the way I see it for now.

 

[MaxHunt]

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I have to say that I agree, although perhaps not to the same degree.

He just doesn't have anything that really sets him apart. He looks more like a good, solid contributor rather than a gun midfielder.

Of course, he is still young, and has suffered injuries, so I may be proven incorrect, but that's the way I see it for now.

I think you are being reasonably fair. I can see him being better than solid but havent seen anything to suggest that he will be an out and out gun. However we dont need an to be, we have others that will be guns.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I have to say that I agree, although perhaps not to the same degree.

He just doesn't have anything that really sets him apart. He looks more like a good, solid contributor rather than a gun midfielder.

Of course, he is still young, and has suffered injuries, so I may be proven incorrect, but that's the way I see it for now.

I dont think your being too hard Cannons.

With WCE drafting so many boys with OP in the last three years, its a little hard to predict how much improvement they have.

Ebert is slow of the mark but has good top pace speed, he lacks more in agility but gets his hands free well when tackled which is a plus.

His footskills are very good and should improve as he recovers from injury.

He has bulked up well and looks over injury, so will interesting to see how he developes.

 

[WALL-e]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

BTW everyone....The Eagles didn't pass on Dangerfield, they got a guy who looks like he'll be a solid player.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

So for example you would pick Kruezer over Ablett Jnr if they were both available? I personally reckon the best midfielder is more important then the best ruckman (not that kruze is even close). Also im not stating rioli is equal to ablett in case you people get the wrong idea.. just using an example

If kruze was going to be as good as Franklin,Riewoldt,Brown that would b a different matter of course hehe

Not every good midfielder is an Ablett or a Judd, they're rare special one's and the types you's compare with Dean cox etc....The very good one's can be picked up often where as not the same can be said for a good ruckman or a forward. I'm sure right now Hawthorn would kill for a good ruckman over a very good midfielder (not talking an Ablett either).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Not every good midfielder is an Ablett or a Judd, they're rare special one's and the types you's compare with Dean cox etc....The very good one's can be picked up often where as not the same can be said for a good ruckman or a forward. I'm sure right now Hawthorn would kill for a good ruckman over a very good midfielder (not talking an Ablett either).

Kruezer was pick 1, and so far I see little to suggest that he has not lived up to it.
I still think Ben McEvoy would remain a first round pick in that draft for the same reason. No point drafting someone like Chris Masten if you need a ruck, and while Masten will be good he won't be a Gary Ablett or a Chris Judd. Every year there will be a couple of teams wanting a ruckman.

 

[00Stinger]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Cheers mate, yes I had completely forgotten him -

I've slotted him into position #3, so my updated top 15 looks like the following:

Kreuzer
Walker
Cotchin
Palmer
Rioli
Ward
Dangerfield
Pears
Morton
Otten
Masten
Grimes
Thompson
Taylor
Rance

without making any silly calls I would have Grimes much higher up on the list.
I think that he will as good as any of the players from this draft

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Are you trying to win the argument by including a photo??

Dangers has it all over Ebert. If only you realised.

I don't claim that Ebert is as good as Dangerfield, the issue is crow thinks Ebert is run of the mill.

This thread is premature and posters on BF are a highly reactionary bunch.

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I don't claim that Ebert is as good as Dangerfield, the issue is crow thinks Ebert is run of the mill.

so does everyone else by the looks.

maybe you should stick with supporting Freo.

 

[Mister Carlton]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

without making any silly calls I would have Grimes much higher up on the list.
I think that he will as good as any of the players from this draft

I think his position is fair. The players above have shown more at AFL level at this stage.

 

[Go_Dogs]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

without making any silly calls I would have Grimes much higher up on the list.
I think that he will as good as any of the players from this draft

I think you've made a fairly accurate point here, and I certainly rate Jack very highly based on what I saw during 2009. He probably has a little more scope for improvement than a few others because he has suffered a bit - as far as his development - due to injury.

The only problem being, I think this is a very strong draft. There are a number of other players who I have not included in my attempt who could well end up being very good players, and based on output to date, and potential to improve (from those who have played thus far) that is how my list sat.

It's still way to early to make any definitive calls on any of these players at this stage, so you could well be right.

 

[cong8]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

no point comparing kreuzer with rioli/dangerfield etc in terms of relative performance as the roles are completely different.

A good ruckman requires a good level of strength. Having to ruck against guys 15+kgs heavier than you in your first couple of seasons is a tough ask as there is a lot more wrestling with/jumping into your opponent. Contrast that to small forward/midfield roles where a lack of physical strength against an opponent can be readily compensated through having natural pace/agility.

If you look at a player's performance in their initial years, the above should be taken into account - that is why kreuzer is rated so highly and I'd still have kreuzer as number 1 based on performances to date.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I can.... Selwood...... without a doubt.

Probably leave Rioli on the ground with broken ribs too.

Selwood is just that good. No wonder Sheeds wants him.

The first thing that comes to mind when I read your post....what happened to to the all conquering Joel in the video below?
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Pity noones put up a clip of the other time the ball came to Joel and Cyril in that game, where Cyril won out, once again.


Selwoods a bloody good player, but I'd suggest that Rioli is capable of out stepping, competing and hustling anyone in the league.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

Definately it's a compliment and no it wasn't meant to endorse thuggery. More a statement about selwood's ferocious attack on the ball. Selwood (along with maybe Hayes) already has the best mix of toughness and skill in the afl. Selwood would win your proposed contest everytime.

There is no way you have seen enough of Rioli in action if you are being so dismissive of him. Rioli is close to the best one on one player in the comp. Dont confuse his dancing shoes as not being hard at the contest as he is as hard as nails. I reckon he would have the pace edge on Selwood and would prob get to the ball first.

 

[Wally Carter]

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Rioli is close to the best one on one player in the comp.

Oh for crissakes, when will this ridiculous garbage cease!!!

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

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There is no way you have seen enough of Rioli in action if you are being so dismissive of him. Rioli is close to the best one on one player in the comp. Dont confuse his dancing shoes as not being hard at the contest as he is as hard as nails. I reckon he would have the pace edge on Selwood and would prob get to the ball first.

This must make Gav Urquhart the best then. He goes more than alright against Cyril.

FFS - get a grip. Cyril's a great young talent and his tyres get hugely pumped in the media but he's not all that just yet.

 

[yaco55]

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Oh for crissakes, when will this ridiculous garbage cease!!!

Pot calling the kettle black after you pumping up the tyres of Ziebell.

 

[bluespooner]

Re: re do the 2007 draft now that we know what we know

I thought this thread was on performances to date. Based on that criterion then you would have to say Rioli is a mile ahead of the other draftees from that year.

Undoubtedly, Rioli was ripped off by a WA bias and whinge campaign to miss out on a meaningless NAB rising star award - the same award Deledio picked up in Franklin's draft year.