Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[Browne Eye]

Geez that would be a hard pick. I'd probably lean towards Dangerfield. Cotchin probably better player but Dangerfields reckless abandon and determination more than makes up for it.

BUT, Cotchin is so consistent already, and his core strength and agility is pretty similar to Gary Ablett Jr.
They're very different players to compare but I'd say Cotchin by a whisker.

 

[Slattery_20]

Henderson came along nicely this year, until he got injured.
Ridiculous to start quoting awards though. He had a good first half to the year, as did about 20 other defenders who get quoted as "possible AA until..." - most of them either broke down or tailed away.

 

[Monkey King]

Henderson is a very good player and I've seen him destroy Drew Petrie, but he isn't better than Harry Taylor, who IMHO proved he was every bit as good a forward during his stints up there this season in addition to being in the top handful of defenders in the comp.

As I've been at pains to say, I've not once claimed he was better than Taylor. I've chimed into this thread with one comment and one comment only; that Henderson has had better than just "minor success" as a defender. End of story for me.

Robbie Tarrant > Hendo as a forward too btw....

Umm ... no, sorry.

 

[Monkey King]

Surely a Brownlow vote, or something in one of the media POTY awards? Laidler got POTY votes early in the year for example, as well as of course Taylor who managed a few of both.

As Slats points out, it's just a ridiculous method of assessment. All I'm guessing is that you didn't watch the games and are now scrambling for data to assess how he played. He had significant success as a defender this year. If he could assemble a whole season like that I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune.

Henderson would need a lot more in front of him, to make up the healthy lead that Taylor has. He would need to perform better than Taylor has for a good few seasons.

There's time for that when Taylor is retired and Hendo is still running around. Like I said, wouldn't argue with anyone taking Taylor ahead of Henderson, but you asked me a question and I gave you my honest answer.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

As Slats points out, it's just a ridiculous method of assessment. All I'm guessing is that you didn't watch the games and are now scrambling for data to assess how he played. He had significant success as a defender this year. If he could assemble a whole season like that I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune.

Pretty sure Slats was pointing out the folly in talking about AA contention? Watched a few of the games, didn't notice Henderson doing all that much that's all - to be somewhat expected of a key defender for a club I don't support I admit.

If he played out a whole season in good form I would be singing a different tune, because the cirsumstances would be different. As it is, he can be said to have had mionor success in defence.

There's time for that when Taylor is retired and Hendo is still running around. Like I said, wouldn't argue with anyone taking Taylor ahead of Henderson, but you asked me a question and I gave you my honest answer.

Will be watching on with interest.

 

[Monkey King]

Pretty sure Slats was pointing out the folly in talking about AA contention? Watched a few of the games, didn't notice Henderson doing all that much that's all - to be somewhat expected of a key defender for a club I don't support I admit.

I think he was talking about both ... could be wrong though. As for AA contention, there weren't 20 blokes names being bandied around; mostly it was just about 5 to that point - Richards, Hendo, Rance, Lonergan, Glass - and Henderson was consistently among them up to injury. There was a reason for that; he was having more than just minor success in his role.

If he played out a whole season in good form I would be singing a different tune, because the cirsumstances would be different. As it is, he can be said to have had mionor success in defence.

Not as it is - as you want it to be; which it isn't. Saying he's only had minor success down there is misleading to the point it's actually incorrect. Using injury not filling out a season as your reasoning is just poor.

Will be watching on with interest.

Me too

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

as you want it to be; which it isn't. Saying he's only had minor success down there is misleading to the point it's actually incorrect.

Opinions, I guess.

 

[Slattery_20]

Opinions, I guess.

Yeah, pretty much. Had a good half a year, but so did a lot of guys (Cale Hooker FFS had a good 1st half of the year, hardly expect a lot of plaudits coming his way after the awful, awful finish to his season).

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

Man imagine if Cotchin and Dangerfield were in the same side.
Would be devestating.
Hard to split them as the number 1 player from this draft.
Both absolute jets.

 

[Monkey King]

lol Carlton supporters. Henderson finally plays a couple of months worth of good footy and now he's better than an All Australian premiership player.

Which Carlton supporter has said that sorry? I think you're making up stories again gopower.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Cotchin, Dangerfield, Taylor, Walker and Ward the best 5 from that draft.

Does Mumford count as a rookie?

 

[yaco55]

Gee - Think the 'old man' Dustin Fletcher was closer to AA selection than most of the names mentioned in this thread - he seemed to either get tagged, or have opponents play as a decoy.

 

[dajesmac]

Would take Scott Selwood over Callan Ward, to be honest.

I'm sure I appear biased, but I genuinely feel Scott is the next Joel. 2013 will be a big one.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Would take Scott Selwood over Callan Ward, to be honest.

I'm sure I appear biased, but I genuinely feel Scott is the next Joel. 2013 will be a big one.

But Joel was Joel from his first game. If Scooter was going to be the next Joel, he'd already be there.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

But Joel was Joel from his first game. If Scooter was going to be the next Joel, he'd already be there.

Joel's 2012 wasn't that much better than Scott's. Scott was played as a tagger at times during the season as well.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Joel's 2012 wasn't that much better than Scott's. Scott was played as a tagger at times during the season as well.

Joel's was a lot better. Scott started well then fell in the arse. Joel in his first season as club captain carried his spluttering club for a fair chunk of the season.

If Joel didn't play, I think that Geelong would have missed the finals.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Joel's 2012 wasn't that much better than Scott's. Scott was played as a tagger at times during the season as well.

Scott started off on fire, tapered off a fair bit.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Not much love for Hanley, Whitecross and Steven

Expecting Steven to take it up a notch or two next year. The word is that he had a lot of groin problems (probably O.P.) in his first couple of years at the club, which meant that he played very little senior footy, especially, but he's now got 50 games up (more than a seasons worth less than at least a dozen of the others taken in his draft and more than two seasons worth less than some) and ought to be ready to go to that next level, all things being equal (especially if his groin problems are well behind him).

Last year (2011) he was in and out of the side, early and mostly playing up forward when he did play (but was doing well in the midfield in the VFL), but then in about R9 he was thrown into the middle for pretty much the first time in the seniors (in Lenny's spot, as he was out with his knee injury by then) and he was a bit of an immediate revelation in there, getting clearances when we had been struggling to do so since Lenny went down and getting a good amount of the footy and doing damage with his burst of speed out of the packs.

He might have gone backwards slightly this year, or perhaps teams started to pay him more attention, or he at least didn't improve on last year, in my view, but I would suggest he will be ready to step it right up again next year, if he has a good preseason, stays in good shape and out of trouble.

 

[dajesmac]

But Joel was Joel from his first game. If Scooter was going to be the next Joel, he'd already be there.

If Scott had started at Geelong in 2008 and not West Coast, who knows.

No but all I meant is he has the potential to conistently play at Joel's level. Had a terrific 2012 considering he had a very limited preseason.

 

[dajesmac]

Joel's was a lot better. Scott started well then fell in the arse. Joel in his first season as club captain carried his spluttering club for a fair chunk of the season.

If Joel didn't play, I think that Geelong would have missed the finals.

Scott had a poor middle of the year which resulted in a lot of poor team performances. He picked it up towards the end of the season again.

It's worth noting his preseason was cruelled by back surgery.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Scott Selwoods has speed and size advantages over Joel and is two years younger.

He isn't better than Joel, but he could be.

 

[Super Hans]

I'd 100% take Ward over S.Selwood. He doesn't have Kerr, Priddis, Gaff, Shuey around him to help him.

With all these 're do the ---- draft' thread popping up surprised the 2001 draft hasn't been done yet given it's known as the best draft of all time.

 

[ArjenTheGreat]

I'd 100% take Ward over S.Selwood. He doesn't have Kerr, Priddis, Gaff, Shuey around him to help him.

With all these 're do the ---- draft' thread popping up surprised the 2001 draft hasn't been done yet given it's known as the best draft of all time.

To be fair, Scott is a wonderful footballer. He lives in Perth, that's his biggest issue in terms of recognition.

He is a genuine gun.

 

[dajesmac]

I'd 100% take Ward over S.Selwood. He doesn't have Kerr, Priddis, Gaff, Shuey around him to help him.

With all these 're do the ---- draft' thread popping up surprised the 2001 draft hasn't been done yet given it's known as the best draft of all time.

I would say that Selwood was our best-performed mid this season, and our performances as a team hinged on his form more so than any of the names you mentioned.

 

[Super Hans]

I would say that Selwood was our best-performed mid this season, and our performances as a team hinged on his form more so than any of the names you mentioned.

Not doubting Selwood is a gun, I'd just prefer Ward. Maybe it's because I still have a soft spot for him.

Both boys won't die wondering that's for sure.