List Mgmt. 2010 delistings and draft picks

[AngelEyes]

Adam Varcoe is not going to play till at least July next year. He won't prove anything next year. I suspect he will stay with Geelong's VFL side and they will nurse him back next year.

If he recovers well, I would not be surprised to see him re-drafted even onto the Senior list at the end of 2011, when there is going to be a few senior spots left to grab.

I don't think anyone will grab him if Geelong attempted to re-draft him due to his knee.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think it is strange delisting Adam Varcoe, looked lively whenever I've seen him play.

Stringer retained without playing a game? Must be more than just injury for Varcoe.

Yes he did, I don't get it.

Stringer has been retained simply because you can't delist a bloke until he's played footy for you as there's nothing to make your decision on. He played the practice match in yea, looked ok, then spent the whole year injured. Next year will be make or break for him.

Weston and Johnson have been retained and I dare say will both be elevated in 12 months time.

Adam Varcoe has been on the list for two years.

He has to go.

I would assume we will probably put him back on the list later.

Actually you can keep rookies for 3 years atm.

Besides which, he was good when I saw him.

Adam Varcoe is not going to play till at least July next year. He won't prove anything next year. I suspect he will stay with Geelong's VFL side and they will nurse him back next year.

If he recovers well, I would not be surprised to see him re-drafted even onto the Senior list at the end of 2011, when there is going to be a few senior spots left to grab.

I don't think anyone will grab him if Geelong attempted to re-draft him due to his knee.

Makes sense, but why wouldn't we just keep him on the rookie list while we do that? It's not like our last pick in this year's rookie draft is likely to be better than Varcoe, so why the rush to clear the spot?

He could also be picked up by someone else, now or in 12 months.

I would have just kept him, and if he rehabbed well, elevated him at the end of next year.

 

[pessimiser]

what is the chance varcoe goes before we rerookie him? if so, what a stuffup if he didn't need to be let go

 

[Pure_Ownage]

what is the chance varcoe goes before we rerookie him? if so, what a stuffup if he didn't need to be let go

A fair chance.

Hopefully he doesn't nominate for the draft.

 

[vinum coupe]

A fair chance.

Hopefully he doesn't nominate for the draft.

What would you do?
Leave your job, have a year off. Hope the injury comes good and apply for another job in 12 months?

He will nominate unless he has a promise.
But I don't reckon anyone will take him. Too risky.

 

[Roos08]

What would you do?
Leave your job, have a year off. Hope the injury comes good and apply for another job in 12 months?

He will nominate unless he has a promise.
But I don't reckon anyone will take him. Too risky.

All rookie selections are risky. Adam Varcoe has shown enough to suggest he'll be an AFL standard footballer assuming he recovers well from his injury. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get snapped up. CRAZY decision

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What would you do?
Leave your job, have a year off. Hope the injury comes good and apply for another job in 12 months?

He will nominate unless he has a promise.
But I don't reckon anyone will take him. Too risky.

You're right, he'll probably nominate.

I think he will get picked up, he was very good in the VFL this year, and providing a team is prepared to take the long term view with him through rehab, then there's more than enough talent there to justify drafting him.

Hopefully for our sake he doesn't get picked up.

Still can't work out why he got delisted...makes no sense to me.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

How is the rehab going though? Maybe he wants to go home to get himself right? What was the extent of the injury, some are worse than others and this is his second isnt it? There are a number of factors at play here we cant presume to know. Particularly with Travis there, I would back the club on this one. I hope after saying all that Adam can make it back too Maybe the focus is more on just helping him for his own well being, rather than where he eventually ends up.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

How is the rehab going though? Maybe he wants to go home to get himself right? What was the extent of the injury, some are worse than others and this is his second isnt it? There are a number of factors at play here we cant presume to know. Particularly with Travis there, I would back the club on this one. I hope after saying all that Adam can make it back too Maybe the focus is more on just helping him for his own well being, rather than where he eventually ends up.

Maybe...although given he won't play much next year I don't just see why we couldn't have allowed him to do his rehab at home for the next couple of months (yes it is his second reco).

Even if he's considering whether he wants to go on due to injury, I don't understand why you wouldn't keep him on the list anyway. If he decides in 12 months that he wants to go on, there's no way we'll get him in the draft, even if his surname was Smith not Varcoe, recruiters are far too well informed and resourced thesedays to not know about him and pick him up, we won't be able to hide him away somewhere.

You would hope Travis is not too upset about it.

 

[dazbroncos]

Im not sure if this is possible, but in the NFL players can be signed to future contracts. From what i understand, its like a " i'll marry you next year type vibe" for want of a better phrase.

It seems that if AV is out till July at the earliest and his prognosis is slow, perhaps the club has negotiated his release under the proviso that he is rehabbed thru Geelong and taken care of by the club and allowed to train with the club ( kinda like the Tuck kid at the yellow and poo brown mob) and next year he is given full opportunity to make it back in.

Could be the club pushing the club first thing to its rookies. With list management such a juggle, perhaps this is the best option for both.

dunno really... just a thought....

If it is the case, it allows AV to get quality rehab and still be at the Cattery with TV but it doesnt suck a list position that the club could really use given the .....ahem... maturity... of our starting 22....

 

[krisholio14]

Yes he did, I don't get it.

Stringer has been retained simply because you can't delist a bloke until he's played footy for you as there's nothing to make your decision on. He played the practice match in yea, looked ok, then spent the whole year injured. Next year will be make or break for him.

Weston and Johnson have been retained and I dare say will both be elevated in 12 months time.



Actually you can keep rookies for 3 years atm.

Besides which, he was good when I saw him.



Makes sense, but why wouldn't we just keep him on the rookie list while we do that? It's not like our last pick in this year's rookie draft is likely to be better than Varcoe, so why the rush to clear the spot?

He could also be picked up by someone else, now or in 12 months.

I would have just kept him, and if he rehabbed well, elevated him at the end of next year.

We are delisting him with the view to putting him on for longer. Make no mistake about it. there's no point in asking him for the third year, because in essence, we want to elevate him if he's ok. But if we keep him for a third year, he's not going to fully get the chance.

We will re rookie him, have him on the books again for two years, and if he continues to develop he'll be on the senior list at the end of 2011 or 2012.

I tell you know, kid is AFL calibre as long as his body holds up. That's all we are looking for.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We are delisting him with the view to putting him on for longer. Make no mistake about it. there's no point in asking him for the third year, because in essence, we want to elevate him if he's ok. But if we keep him for a third year, he's not going to fully get the chance.

We will re rookie him, have him on the books again for two years, and if he continues to develop he'll be on the senior list at the end of 2011 or 2012.

I tell you know, kid is AFL calibre as long as his body holds up. That's all we are looking for.

Sorry if it's my noobishness, but I', not really understanding your point.

If we indeed wanted to elevate him (obviously we don't have space this year as the old blokes won't retire yet) wouldn't we indeed keep him for another 12 months so we can elevate him without having to risk releasing him into the drafts? I would have thought if the club is so confident in him, it's better to do that, rather than release him, just so that we can get him back for longer. Anyway, if you're right, I'm glad, that's what I hope the club is doing. It's a gamble though because it assumes no one will take him in this rookie draft before we get to him.

Im not sure if this is possible, but in the NFL players can be signed to future contracts. From what i understand, its like a " i'll marry you next year type vibe" for want of a better phrase.

It seems that if AV is out till July at the earliest and his prognosis is slow, perhaps the club has negotiated his release under the proviso that he is rehabbed thru Geelong and taken care of by the club and allowed to train with the club ( kinda like the Tuck kid at the yellow and poo brown mob) and next year he is given full opportunity to make it back in.

Could be the club pushing the club first thing to its rookies. With list management such a juggle, perhaps this is the best option for both.

dunno really... just a thought....

If it is the case, it allows AV to get quality rehab and still be at the Cattery with TV but it doesnt suck a list position that the club could really use given the .....ahem... maturity... of our starting 22....

Tuck is not a fair comparison because he's damaged goods (nothing against him, and all the best to him in his recovery, I just mean he's damaged goods vis a vis the likelihood of any other club than Hawthorn being willing to draft him) AV on the other hand, is someone all 16 clubs, and particularly the Adelaide ones, would be all over if he nominates in 12 months time. I can kinda understand what you (and others) are saying about what the club is trying to do, but I can't possibly see how it would work.

I also don't really see why it is worth all the risk if the point is that the club thinks he won't play for 2 years and wants to get another rookie in the meantime. After all, let's be realistic, there's little to no chance that the 47th player on our list next year (which is what Varcoe's going for) will play senior footy (ok Pods did, but he's the exception rather than the rule), so we're not losing anything by keeping AV on even if he can't play.

I do remember reading a month or two ago that the AFL introduced an 'inactive' rookie list that you can put a player on if he won't play for some time...how that works in finer detail, and whether it allows you another rookie, I don't know, but I hope the club's looking into it, because once we release AV from the list entirely, it becomes far harder to get him back.

I also hope we're supporting him financially and resource wise through rehab...it's definitely the right thing to do, and I'm sure we will.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Sorry if it's my noobishness, but I', not really understanding your point.

If we indeed wanted to elevate him (obviously we don't have space this year as the old blokes won't retire yet) wouldn't we indeed keep him for another 12 months so we can elevate him without having to risk releasing him into the drafts? I would have thought if the club is so confident in him, it's better to do that, rather than release him, just so that we can get him back for longer. Anyway, if you're right, I'm glad, that's what I hope the club is doing. It's a gamble though because it assumes no one will take him in this rookie draft before we get him.

If he nominates for this draft under our direction I think it would be a clear intent to continue his rehab with Geelong and that it would be a long term consideration given it can often take 2 years to fully recover from these injuries which is perhaps why they wouldnt necessarily elevate him this time next year and that is another way of loooking at it for sure.

Completely different circumstances but no one touched Ball last year so I think where there is a clear intention made, clubs tend to respect that.

 

[CatTricks]

According to CatsInsider on Twitter, they are hopeful AV will stick with the VFL Cats, and there is every possibility he could be re drafted to the Cats primary list.

 

[magic_johnson!]

Why isn't AV on our list of delistings?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-clubs-updated-player-lists/story-e6frf9jf-1225945367592

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Why isn't AV on our list of delistings?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-clubs-updated-player-lists/story-e6frf9jf-1225945367592

They only list delisted players from the SENIOR LIST.

When listing the rookie list they do the logic the other way...they list retained rookies, so if your name isn't on that list, you are not retained i.e. you are delisted (so AV is delisted). Keep in mind rookies are on year to year contracts so it makes logical sense to list them that way.

 

[krisholio14]

If he nominates for this draft under our direction I think it would be a clear intent to continue his rehab with Geelong and that it would be a long term consideration given it can often take 2 years to fully recover from these injuries which is perhaps why they wouldnt necessarily elevate him this time next year and that is another way of loooking at it for sure.

Completely different circumstances but no one touched Ball last year so I think where there is a clear intention made, clubs tend to respect that.

Yeah basically my thinking was that we put him off now while he is injured, and therefore less likely to be picked up, then we can re rookie him for two/three years, instead of just keeping him now for one year. It gives us more time to have a look at him, and more time for him to hit his straps after injury.

 

[meto]

What the hell are they doing delisting varcoe?

Not up to it physically would be the verdict, I'd say.

But then there's Mitch Brown, what do we do if he keeps injuring himself?

 

[Boxhead_31]

Just to show where we sit with everything leading into the draft

From afl.com.au

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104173/default.aspx

GEELONG
NAB AFL Draft selections: 15, 23, 36, 53, 58, plus end-of-round-one compensation selection (Gary Ablett)
Delistings and retirements: Gary Ablett (Gold Coast), Tom Allwright*, Nathan Djerrkura (Western Bulldogs), Ranga Ediriwickrama*, Ryan Gamble, Jeremy Laidler (Carlton), Max Rooke, Adam Varcoe*
* = Rookie Listed player
Additions: Ryan Bathie (non-registered three years), James Podsiadly (rookie elevation)
Approach: The loss of superstar midfielder Gary Ablett and the impending retirement of many backline stars - Darren Milburn is 33, Matthew Scarlett 31 and David Wojcinski 30 - means the Cats have a few holes to fill. They probably have enough good young midfielders, but after trading reserves full-back Laidler, they desperately need a key defender. Their forward line could also use some fresh talent, with 31-year-old Cameron Mooney closing in on the end of his career.
Dream selection: Geelong traded one of its compensation picks for losing Ablett to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 15, meaning the Cats enter the draft quite early. South Australian young gun Pat McCarthy, a tall running defender, looks like just the type of player Geelong needs.

 

[SJ]

Just to show where we sit with everything leading into the draft

From afl.com.au

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104173/default.aspx

GEELONG
NAB AFL Draft selections: 15, 23, 36, 53, 58, plus end-of-round-one compensation selection (Gary Ablett)
Delistings and retirements: Gary Ablett (Gold Coast), Tom Allwright*, Nathan Djerrkura (Western Bulldogs), Ranga Ediriwickrama*, Ryan Gamble, Jeremy Laidler (Carlton), Max Rooke, Adam Varcoe*
* = Rookie Listed player
Additions: Ryan Bathie (non-registered three years), James Podsiadly (rookie elevation)
Approach: The loss of superstar midfielder Gary Ablett and the impending retirement of many backline stars - Darren Milburn is 33, Matthew Scarlett 31 and David Wojcinski 30 - means the Cats have a few holes to fill. They probably have enough good young midfielders, but after trading reserves full-back Laidler, they desperately need a key defender. Their forward line could also use some fresh talent, with 31-year-old Cameron Mooney closing in on the end of his career.
Dream selection: Geelong traded one of its compensation picks for losing Ablett to Gold Coast in exchange for pick 15, meaning the Cats enter the draft quite early. South Australian young gun Pat McCarthy, a tall running defender, looks like just the type of player Geelong needs.

No pick 57 there, seems to have disappeared into the ether. The rest matches up nicely with my own list track.

 

[CatTricks]

So as it stands @ this point in time,

We will be using picks 15, 23, 36, 53 in the National Draft
and will have 2 rookie picks considering we have signed Bathie? or 3 because we elevated Pods?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So as it stands @ this point in time,

We will be using picks 15, 23, 36, 53 in the National Draft
and will have 2 rookie picks considering we have signed Bathie? or 3 because we elevated Pods?

7 rookie slots:
Retained rookies:
Jesse Stringer (2nd year)
Ben Johnson (2nd year)
Jack Weston (2nd year)

(Pods is now permanently on the senior list)

Added rookies:
Ryan Bathie (3 year non registered)

Leaves 3 rookie picks open, although if we are re rookieing varcoe then it's only 2 live picks.

Pick 57 seems to have disappeared again, not that we'll be using either it, or 58, unless there's any more changes on Nov 10.

We also won't be using the other compensation pick, obviously.

 

[CatTricks]

I really hope Weston sees some senior game time next season. Really rate him

 

[Boxhead_31]

From afl.com.au

The current state of our list prior to final list lodgment
Goes by alphabet not players numbers SJ's current list thread shows how those are looking.

So we are looking at 4 draft picks with the 5th to be used on the Pod's upgrade and 3 rookie selections if I'm understanding everything correctly

GEELONG CATS
1. Bartel, Jimmy
2. Blake, Mark
3. Brown, Mitchell
4. Byrnes, Shannon
5. Chapman, Paul
6. Christensen, Allen
7. Corey, Joel
8. Cowan, Josh
9. Drum, Marcus
10. Duncan, Mitch
11. Enright, Corey
12. Gillies, Tom
13. Hawkins, Tom
14. Hogan, Simon
15. Hunt, Josh
16. Hunt, Taylor
17. Johnson, Steve
18. Kelly, James
19. Ling, Cameron
20. Lonergan, Tom
21. Mackie, Andrew
22. Menzel, Daniel
23. Milburn, Darren (veteran - outside list)
24. Mooney, Cameron
25. Motlop, Steven
26. Ottens, Brad
27. Podsiadly, James
28. Scarlett, Matthew (veteran - outside list)
29. Selwood, Joel
30. Simpson, Dawson
31. Stokes, Mathew
32. Taylor, Harry
33. Varcoe, Travis
34. Vardy, Nathan
35. West, Trent
36. Wojcinski, David
37.
38.
39.
40.
Rookie list
1. Bathie, Ryan***
2. Johnson, Ben
3. Stringer, Jesse
4. Weston, Jack
5.
6.
7.

* International rookie
** NSW scholarship rookie
*** Three-year non-registered player

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Don't be fooled...the bottom of the article says this is merely a re-print of the lists submitted on 29th Oct, so the AFL is just putting them up because it's a slow news day.

The lists aren't final until submitted for a second time on Nov 10 so we can still make changes.

Having said that, this will probably be our list, but it's not final yet.