2011 & Beyond..

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Offer Rosa and Staker with a second rounder for Leunberger though that is hoping Brisbane would take that.

Good luck.

Would you trade Masten or Ebert or Swift or Shuey for two fringe players and a second-rounder?

 

[lewigie]

On Seaby I think we should definately trade him, and I think we could trade for Leunberger as well as he is very home sick.

Offer Rosa and Staker with a second rounder for Leunberger though that
is hoping Brisbane would take that.

We could also offer them Seaby instead of the second rounder..

Means they'll still have a ruck option.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

We could also offer them Seaby instead of the second rounder..

Means they'll still have a ruck option.

Looks like the nonsensical trade suggestions have started early this year.

 

[lewigie]

Yes they have.

Like the "Lets get Daniel Wells" suggestion.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Yes they have.

Like the "Lets get Daniel Wells" suggestion.

If Daniel Wells wanted to return to WA, we would consider trading for him.

That suggestion, while still pie-in-the-sky stuff at this stage of the year, is far more reasonable than Eagles fans suggesting we could bundle three fringe players together to poach a highly-rated youngster from another team.

 

[lewigie]

A homesick one who wants to return to WA. Apparently.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

A homesick one who wants to return to WA. Apparently.

Even if that's the case, bundling three fringe players together doesn't build value in a trade.

That's one of the dumb misconceptions that gets trotted out every year: Shit player + shit player + shit player in return for a good player. It doesn't work like that.

If anything, bundling three players together makes the offer worse because Brisbane would have to find two extra spaces on their list to do that deal.

Rosa, Staker and Seaby would be a non-starter in return for Leuenberger.

Brisbane would be like, "why the **** do we want those guys?"

 

[The Passenger]

Secondly why not give Spangher and McKinley more chances in their position to prove themself, your writing them off just a tad bit early.

i'm not writing them of at all. in fact i said the club won't get rid of mckinley unless he wanted to return to mlebourne. we'd be mad to get rid of him.

simliar with spanger. i said that our delistings will be made up of x number of those 10 players that i mentioned - spangher and mckinley happened to be two of those players. i'm not saying either will definetaly be gone.

i also mentioned with spangher it would be for a trade only. there is no way the club would delist him because he's too good, but if the club was stuck and still needed to get rid of a player (we have to have a minimum of 3 draft picks remember) then the club may look to offload spangher to another club.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

i said that our delistings will be made up of x number of those 10 players that i mentioned - spangher and mckinley happened to be two of those players.

No chance of us delisting McKinley.

 

[The Passenger]

No chance of us delisting McKinley.

sorry, by delistings i meant players who won't be in our list in 2010.

and i had a note that for some of the guys they would only leave our list by way of trade - in other words, their to good to get delisted, but the club may trade them to make space in the draft.

mckinley also i noted would only be traded if he wanted to return to victoria as there was some rumour about that last year. he definetaly won't be delisted and we wouldn't actively seek out to trade him away.

someone like spangher, however, if we still need to free up space the club just may look to trade him away. that obviously depends on his form between now and round 22.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

someone like spangher, however, if we still need to free up space the club just may look to trade him away. that obviously depends on his form between now and round 22.

I wonder if we'd actually get anything for Spangher.

Clubs would be more likely to go for him in the PSD.

 

[The Passenger]

I wonder if we'd actually get anything for Spangher.

Clubs would be more likely to go for him in the PSD.

don't know. he's a showed a bit but not a whole lot. but then again most recruiters love guys who are about 190cm-plus and quick.

if the club just flat out delisted him i'd be very suprised. in fact i'd be pretty annoyed because if you need to make space on your list you might as well get a pick upgrade of some description and spangher would definetaly at least enable you to go from say pick 40 (probably around were our third round pick will be this year), so somewhere in the mid 20's....

of those 10 guys i mentioned spangher and mckinley would be the two guys the club would least like to lose.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

if the club just flat out delisted him i'd be very suprised. in fact i'd be pretty annoyed because if you need to make space on your list you might as well get a pick upgrade of some description and spangher would definetaly at least enable you to go from say pick 40 (probably around were our third round pick will be this year), so somewhere in the mid 20's....

Bit optimistic, I reckon.

I don't reckon Spangher has shown enough to persuade a side to part with their second pick.

Look at Farren Ray last year. The Dogs packaged him with pick 48 and got pick 31 in return.

Ray had at least managed 70-odd games. There's not as much to commend Spangher.

 

[The Passenger]

hmmmm good point, probably was on the optimistic side there.

the one plus on a spangher's side for his trade value is his height and athletisicm. there's no doubt that some recruiting staff can get a hard-on for guys like him, even when they haven't shown a whole lot.

still though, i'm sure the club would much prefer to keep him at season's end. he'll only get traded if we need to make a space on our list and even then there are guys on the list who they'd look at trading before him - rosa and butler namely....

 

[larrikin]

A homesick one who wants to return to WA. Apparently.

Geez, he'd cost a bit but would be a great pick up - would leave us with an awesome ruck division.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

I don't think we should recruit Wells, does anyone genuinley believe long term he'd be valuable at our club?

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

I don't think we should recruit Wells, does anyone genuinley believe long term he'd be valuable at our club?

He'd be best 22. I'd say that constitutes value.

 

[tesseract]

I don't think we should recruit Wells, does anyone genuinley believe long term he'd be valuable at our club?

I'd want a consistent performer instead of Wells. Wells has a lot of talent like Staker has but can't utilize it when he needs to and often enough just like Staker.
Leave Wells be, he's not what our team needs.

 

[tesseract]

Geez, he'd cost a bit but would be a great pick up - would leave us with an awesome ruck division.

Would Leuenberger be worth acquiring considering he'd be our 3rd choice once Naitanui gets regular games and that Brisbane would ask an awful lot for him?
Leuenberger would struggle to get a game with our duo playing every game they were fit to play.
It'd be a bad trade IMO.

 

[Lach72]

Would Leuenberger be worth acquiring considering he'd be our 3rd choice once Naitanui gets regular games and that Brisbane would ask an awful lot for him?
Leuenberger would struggle to get a game with our duo playing every game they were fit to play.
It'd be a bad trade IMO.

Unless you find Naitanui playing out of the square atttactive...

St Kilda and Geelong continue to play 2 rucks

 

[tesseract]

Unless you find Naitanui playing out of the square atttactive...

St Kilda and Geelong continue to play 2 rucks

Possibly, but I don't really like the idea to much of Naitanui as mainly a forward. As he is resting from his ruck duties he would be very useful up forward.

The forward line pressure that Naitanui could bring to bear with his chasing and tackling sounds appealing though.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I would take Leuenberger his value would be falling at the moment, Cox won't last forever by the time he retires Leuenberger will be a quality Ruckmen and with Naitanui could dominate. We currently have four rucks in our squad so if seaby retires at the end of the year then we have a young tap ruckmen with plenty more in him. Sullivan will have his chance to prove himself but is a long way away.

I love Carltons ruck setup, makes them look allot stronger than they are.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Even if that's the case, bundling three fringe players together doesn't build value in a trade.

That's one of the dumb misconceptions that gets trotted out every year: Shit player + shit player + shit player in return for a good player. It doesn't work like that.

If anything, bundling three players together makes the offer worse because Brisbane would have to find two extra spaces on their list to do that deal.

Rosa, Staker and Seaby would be a non-starter in return for Leuenberger.

Brisbane would be like, "why the **** do we want those guys?"

No your right I regreted saying that as soon as I posted that.

Thats why I said if Brisbane would except that, which is true they wont.

Brisbane will hold all the cards, Leuenberger really does want to come home but is contracted.

Brisbane can just make him see out his contract.

If we finished with 4 wins we could offer pick 4 for leuenberger.

Though I would rather keep that for a mid or key foward.

He would cost a lot too get, there no mistake about that.

The chances are Freo would trump us anyway and get him.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Pressure's also got to be on Nicoski & Butler.

I think Fletcher & Stenglein will retire and Embley is a possibility, while Rosa & Staker will be traded, if not de-listed.

Nicoski and Butler have enourmous potential but injuries the last 4 years has held them back, while when they've been in the side they having been setting the world on fire.

I think the 2nd half of the year we'll see alot more the likes of Swift, Natanui, Shuey, Houlihan, Scooter, Notte ect and this will put enourmous pressure on Nicoski & Butler.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Pressure's also got to be on Nicoski & Butler.

I think Fletcher & Stenglein will retire and Embley is a possibility, while Rosa & Staker will be traded, if not de-listed.

Nicoski and Butler have enourmous potential but injuries the last 4 years has held them back, while when they've been in the side they having been setting the world on fire.

I think the 2nd half of the year we'll see alot more the likes of Swift, Natanui, Shuey, Houlihan, Scooter, Notte ect and this will put enourmous pressure on Nicoski & Butler.

Should we cull hard to the bone?