2012 Draft Discussion

[thoselionslads]

Yeah Cameron going. Named in the tall defender group. (edit: beaten to it by Offsider)

Like footmad said, us getting a local kid is dependent on how GC manage their list. I'm not sure they can squeeze two zone selections in. I don't really have a grip on where they sit in the grand scheme of things, but I'd have Cameron and Boston a fair way ahead of Bourke/Coleman-Broome.

Cameron has more upside however Boston certainly has more runs on the board. Two of the more exciting prospects out of QLD in a while, I'd love for the Lions to manoeuvre them onto our list.

 

[Quigley]

Stringer has been over-hyped imo, and he is similar in style to Pavilich and Goodes but does not quite have their athletic ability. He looks to have good straight line speed, but his turning circle is huge and he is not the most agile of players which makes me think he could struggle a little in the midfield at AFL level. He is however a strong mark and if I picked him up in the draft it would be as a key forward rather than a mid. I think he is probably worth a pick between 10-20 if he tests well and does well in the medicals if not then potentially 20+.

For Stringer I think how high he goes depends on if he is still recovering from his leg injury. If he is it provides an excuse for his often below par performances this year. If not then he drops. I note that Barlow came back from his leg injury but has taken a while to get back to his best. The clubs might expect the same with Stringer. Before his injury he looked like a player with a very high ceiling and a probable top 5. After the injury I am thinking probably 10-15 but 6-10 is not out of the question for a team willing to take a punt.

 

[crispy creme]

Regardless of Stringers past running gait, after watching him a number of times this year i would be shocked if the club took him full stop - not just at pick 8. After our trade issues of the past, we are still very much in a rebuild phase and the risk of drafting Stringer isn't, IMO, outweighed by the reward. The same goes to some extent for Menzell, who from all reports could be a superstar yet appears to have genetics against him. At least with Menzell he is back performing at a very high level, the same which cannot be said of Stringer.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I'd be much happier if we took Stringer than Menzel. Menzel still worries me greatly but I don't have much concern about whether or not Stringer can get back to 100% and stay there for 10+ years. As has been mentioned by many, if he had been 100% injury free, he most likely would be the number 1 pick this year. I wouldn't have any problem taking him at 8.

 

[Ruse]

are there any vids of stringer on youtube?

 

[Offsider]

I just think Stringer is too over-hyped, he lumbers around the field a bit and has probably average athletic abilities, outside of straight line speed he is pretty poor, he is not the most agile player and has really struggled a fair bit this year. He is still very good but I think that he is more of a forward rather than a mid, and I would develop him as a CHF personally.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Not too related, but I found it interesting in this video that Stringer mentioned Adcock as one of his two favourite players. Sounds like he's got a bit of the Lions in him.



Offsider, assuming (very, very, very unlikely) that he fell to 23, would you happily take him there? Or do you think we shouldn't pick him up at all?

 

[Offsider]

No I would pick him at 23, probably any pick after 15 is what he is worth. I just don't think he is worth pick 8.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

No I would pick him at 23, probably any pick after 15 is what he is worth. I just don't think he is worth pick 8.

Fair enough. I've only seen him play once but the comparisons to Pavlich understandably got me a little over-excited.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

My thoughts on our draft would be something like this:
pick 08 - Lachlan Plowman (191cm defender)
pick 23 - Tim O'Brien (193cm forward)
pick 30 - Nathan Hrovat (173cm midfielder)
pick 49 - Emmanuel Irra (179cm utility)
pick 67 - Jake Neade (170cm? mid/fwd)
pick 85 - Shannon Taylor (177cm forward)

A bit hopeful and short but hopefully we can pick up some taller players in the rookie draft or possibly rookie some of these players (Taylor,Neade,Irra) if they last that long, would also love to pick up Myles Bolger (ruckman) in the rookie draft. what do ya think?

Reckon Hrovat will go higher than 30. Height is the doubt but success of smalls such as Zorko and Callinan this year may help diffuse those fears. What do we use to get Tippett and what about rookie upgrades, e.g. Clarke?

 

[Banana Boots]

Reckon Hrovat will go higher than 30. Height is the doubt but success of smalls such as Zorko and Callinan this year may help diffuse those fears. What do we use to get Tippett and what about rookie upgrades, e.g. Clarke?

We dont need Tippett, overrated and definitley not worth pick 8 imo, maybe we could offer something like Patty K or Cornelius plus a higher pick but doubt they would do it because acorn isn't proven enough and Patty K might leave for Victoria. I don't really understand how upgrading a player from rookie works to be honest, sorry. What about Jesse Lonergan being available at pick 30? also a inside mid like Hrovat.

 

[BrownYouGun]

We dont need Tippett, overrated and definitley not worth pick 8 imo, maybe we could offer something like Patty K or Cornelius plus a higher pick but doubt they would do it because acorn isn't proven enough and Patty K might leave for Victoria. I don't really understand how upgrading a player from rookie works to be honest, sorry. What about Jesse Lonergan being available at pick 30? also a inside mid like Hrovat.

Hearing Hrovat as higher than 30 for sure. Think we'll manoeuvre some sort of deal where we get pick 12-14 and trade either 8 or 12-14 to Adelaide for Tippett (if with pick 8 a pick upgrade somewhere), then with the remaining top pick we'll pick up an elite mid

 

[Banana Boots]

Hearing Hrovat as higher than 30 for sure. Think we'll manoeuvre some sort of deal where we get pick 12-14 and trade either 8 or 12-14 to Adelaide for Tippett (if with pick 8 a pick upgrade somewhere), then with the remaining top pick we'll pick up an elite mid

just mucking around on a piece of paper with trades and stuff, here's a three-way trade with geelong:

BL receive: Tippett, Pick 16
GEEL receive: pick 8, Banfield (possibly patty K aswell )
ADEL receive: A-Corn, Kersten, Picks 37 and 49.
don't think this will happen or anything, just a bit of fun.
would really love a clearance machine in this draft.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

just mucking around on a piece of paper with trades and stuff, here's a three-way trade with geelong:

BL receive: Tippett, Pick 16
GEEL receive: pick 8, Banfield (possibly patty K aswell )
ADEL receive: A-Corn, Kersten, Picks 37 and 49.
don't think this will happen or anything, just a bit of fun.
would really love a clearance machine in this draft.

Not a bad hypothetical, but can't see Geelong giving up Kersten only one year into his development. Plus, us parting with Ace, Patty, Banners and pick 8 for Tippet and 16 is too much in my eyes. But it's a new angle, and I love new angles

Chris25 has us taking Jackson Macrae with our first pick in his mock on the draft board, which is an interesting one. Haven't heard much about him at all, but he reckons he could be a game-breaker. His write up is as follows:

Coming into the Championships, Macrae was typically a talented but inconsistent midfielder. He had been playing all over the ground, from the back lines to the wing and also up forward. But playing for Vic Metro he really found his position, and since then has been performing very well. He is an excellent size for an outside runner who pushes forward, and has the speed to go with it. In terms of agility with the ball in hand and also winning the ground ball, he'd be right at the top of the class - and he seems to have a handy knack for evading tackles too. AFL Comparison: Steele Sidebottom.

Do our draft gurus know much about Macrae? Sounds an attractive prospect, and potentially one to add to the wishlist.

 

[mish33]

just mucking around on a piece of paper with trades and stuff, here's a three-way trade with geelong:

BL receive: Tippett, Pick 16
GEEL receive: pick 8, Banfield (possibly patty K aswell )
ADEL receive: A-Corn, Kersten, Picks 37 and 49.
don't think this will happen or anything, just a bit of fun.
would really love a clearance machine in this draft.

That's a terrible trade for Adelaide. Two under-sized full forwards with limited potential and a couple of average picks for an admittedly flawed but farely rare ruck-sized marking forward.

 

[crispy creme]

I've seen a fair bit of Macrae this year, admittedly only at school level plus the nationals, and the kid could be anything. Has a knack of finding the ball in a number of positions and getting out of trouble with ease. provides good run, is very good size in the high 180's and although his kicking is generally good I don't think it is what the experts would consider elite. From all accounts his stocks are rising all the time and may continue to do so if Oakleigh continue through the next two weeks. At school level he shows little regard for his opponent, regardless of his position. Not sure of his ability to play on the ball, from what i've seen, he plays mostly on the flanks. This is my main concern for pick 8, although Heppell is going alright as a similar sort of player and draft range. I wouldn't imagine he will slip too far outside the top 10, if at all.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I've seen a fair bit of Macrae this year, admittedly only at school level plus the nationals, and the kid could be anything. Has a knack of finding the ball in a number of positions and getting out of trouble with ease. provides good run, is very good size in the high 180's and although his kicking is generally good I don't think it is what the experts would consider elite. From all accounts his stocks are rising all the time and may continue to do so if Oakleigh continue through the next two weeks. At school level he shows little regard for his opponent, regardless of his position. Not sure of his ability to play on the ball, from what i've seen, he plays mostly on the flanks. This is my main concern for pick 8, although Heppell is going alright as a similar sort of player and draft range. I wouldn't imagine he will slip too far outside the top 10, if at all.

Cheers for the insight cc, very interesting. Might look for some videos of him.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Jono O'Rourke sounds a likely prospect. He or Ollie Wines would do me fine.

 

[lionsrthebest]

Reckon Hrovat will go higher than 30. Height is the doubt but success of smalls such as Zorko and Callinan this year may help diffuse those fears. What do we use to get Tippett and what about rookie upgrades, e.g. Clarke?

good to see you picked Emmanuel Irra Banana Boots one of the players i would like to pick up and develop

 

[3KZ is Football]

Brisbane's Drafting / Trading goals according to Brownie:

http://www.standard.net.au/story/336279/brown-brisbane-lions-wont-take-moloney/?cs=74

P.S. I bet he has a Kermond's Burger or two while he's home.

 

[Nick Lions]

Well, after reading that, I'm definitely hoping we chase a mini draft pick and go for Hogan. He could be the 8-10 year (hopefully more) key forward Brown is alluding to. Although it does seem likely that we could try and trade for a young KPF, given his statement about salary cap space. I'm hoping the recruiting staff keep an eye on Farrer this weekend too. He's got a lot of x-factor and could be worth a rookie spot.

 

[jjami15]

Brisbane's Drafting / Trading goals according to Brownie:

http://www.standard.net.au/story/336279/brown-brisbane-lions-wont-take-moloney/?cs=74

P.S. I bet he has a Kermond's Burger or two while he's home.

Interesting to hear Brownie talk about the need for KPF and for them to be there for 8 - 10 years. IMO I agree with his sentiments and for that type of longevity it would be accessed via the draft. Like most I salivate at the thought of gun mids being drafted but up front needs rectifying ASAP. More I think of it the more Hogan should be our target and then the next best KPF/KPD at 23 and then possibly the same at 30. Trade time will state what we do at the draft but if it those 3 picks are left then this is the draft to rectify our big men stocks. Before others say we've already got developing forwards, you are true in one sense but they're not going to be top flight KPF and they will not be the next Hawkins or Hurley or even S. Reid for that matter, it's time to get those types in via high draft picks.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I tend to agree with Browny. We have a fair few inside mids and need more outside mids. Picking a KPF and a KPD are important this draft IMO.

 

[Cousin Jed]

For a bunch of inside grunt mids we don't seem to do too well with the inside grunt work

 

[jjami15]

For a bunch of inside grunt mids we don't seem to do too well with the inside grunt work

I have heard someone state on here that just like KPP, inside mids take time to develop. I can understand this line of thinking due to the need to add bulk and strength with the bash and crash and extraction that occurs playing in the middle. We have Conway in the academy who we will most probably pick up next year. With an extra year in the gym and a good hard look at set ups and strategy and with the return of Leuy and further development from Longer I would assume that this should be improved next year.

It's good to hear from players within the inner sanctum and hear their thoughts.