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I'd be happy with anyone, Macrae, wines, O'Rourke, garner, vlaustin, stringer, Menzel they all are so good, the talent in this draft has so much depth
 

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I remember asking Dimma a year ago about whether we needed to alter our weights/ diet focus at the club given we still seemed to be undersized. He said sure, but ultimately it comes down to prioritizing bigger bodies at the draft.

Which augurs well for flosstoon
 
UpTheGuts said:
I remember asking Dimma a year ago about whether we needed to alter our weights/ diet focus at the club given we still seemed to be undersized. He said sure, but ultimately it comes down to prioritizing bigger bodies at the draft.

Which augurs well for flosstoon
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Everything coming out from the club and around the traps is this is the kid we want.

Is it a smokescreen? History tells us no. One thing about Richmond is they leak a lot. Knights and Chaplin rumours were out months in advance, and there has been others too. So, it looks like it is true.

He is a Richmond type of selection. Fits all the categories we prioritize and has leadership skills and is a good kid. As you say too, a big body. All the pieces fit. Would be a good selection that I would be content with.
 
Does anybody have any draft camp results for this kid,the part that really concerns me is his pace !
I just dont see any run and carry and the opposition seem to get very close to him and just manages to get his kick away.

Sorry guys but i just cant see the "Star" in Vlastuin TBH
 
Martin_Riewoldt said:
I'd be most pleased with Vlastuin coming to Tigerland. I'd be most excited with Menzel coming to Tigerland. I'd be most likely to piss my pants if Grundy slips through.

That is all. :D
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I'm willing to bet $1,000 that that is not all from you M_R!
Your knowledge and insight is too important!;)
 
Apologies & thanks to Mr.bullus_hit if he already posts here, but really liked this summary he wrote on PRE and had to share:

bullus_hit said:
Lachlan Plowman - Up until this week, there appeared to be very little hope that Plowman would be available at pick 9, the late mail now has Plowman as a realistic chance to slide out to pick 9 or beyond. With the Doggies closely linked with Stringer and O'Rourke, Menzel with GWS, Macrae with Brisbane, Wines with Melbourne and Grundy with Port, it would appear that Richmond could be first in line for the draft's best key position player.

If there were any tears to be shed at the unavailablity of the players mentioned above, having a modern day defender like Plowman suddenly enter the frame should bring a smile to all and sundry. In some ways, Plowman being sidelined with an elbow injury may well be a blessing in disguise, at the very least, his absence has kept him out of the spotlight long enough for him to be considered a potential top ten, as opposed to a certain one.

Despite missing chunks of football, Plowman has been a model of consistency when he has made it on the park. His form for Calder has seen him feature in the best players on 6 occasions, the only blemish being a game that saw him injured from the outset. Despite missing the u/18 carnival, Plowman impressed when playing for Australia and even going back as far as 2011, he managed to chalk up consecutive BOG's playing as an underager in the TAC Cup.

So stylistically what type of player is he? In short he's your prototype running backman who zones off beautifully and can win a contest both in the air and at ground level. Some might say he's a midfielder at heart, and that may prove to be correct. Comparisons with David Mundy aren't far off in that regard, but I would go so far as to say that he's a more polished version of Mundy. His kicking efficiency at TAC level was up around 84% and that's quite remarkable considering his natural instinct is take on the opposition at all costs.

As far as Richmond is concerned, Plowman could feasibly slot into the back half or may even make the transition to inside midfielder. That is a huge selling point behind picking him up at 9 and certainly counters any argument that we have to get a mid at all costs. So if he does end up a Tigerland, I would be content in the knowledge that we may be killing two birds with one stone and grabbing a man for all seasons. Either way, I think Lachlan Plowman would be an excellent addition down at Punt Road and would bring some much needed flexibility to the team.
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Be interested to read the thoughts of tigs, bob & m_r......
 
From what bullus wrote, Plowman looks like a possibly pick up. I'd like to see him try be tried out in the centre, attacks it well. On the afl website interviewing him he seems to have good character, he pushes off players too like Martin. But GWS could go for him with pick 3 because they are in need for defenders
 

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rammbo said:
I dought they will go with Macrae (Too scrawny).

Seems a trend now that we dont take kids with kids bodies .
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McCrae doesn't look scrawny to me. Put it this way he is no Fiora.

The thing I like about McCrae , apart from left foot, is a lot of commentators draw massive long bows likening prospects with current day players which, in reality, are massive stretchs, but with McCrae their is a genuine way about him like Pendlebury for me- and both come from basketball backgrounds
 
Cotchinsastar said:
From what bullus wrote, Plowman looks like a possibly pick up. I'd like to see him try be tried out in the centre, attacks it well. On the afl website interviewing him he seems to have good character, he pushes off players too like Martin. But GWS could go for him with pick 3 because they are in need for defenders
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Would be an astute pickup for the Tigers. Had a look at him, he has the height, body and can play. We could sign off on our backline practically if we get him and he also gives us far greater flexibility and strength in the backline as well as possible midfield option.

If we get Plowman I will not be crying!
 
tigs2010 said:
Not really tbh. He's ok. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him. You'd be drafting him as a 2nd ruck but IMO he's not a ruck outside of being tall. He's also a massive development project as he's a stick insect. I also think his skills are overrated.
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From the quick look I saw of his clip, his kicking agility and marking looked pretty good. Granted he is a little skinny but given we have mature bodied rucks/kpps already on the list we wouldn't need to rush him, we could let him develop in the gym for a couple of years. For mine if he was on the board at 43 I would be happy if we called his name out.
 

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_RT_ said:
From the quick look I saw of his clip, his kicking agility and marking looked pretty good. Granted he is a little skinny but given we have mature bodied rucks/kpps already on the list we wouldn't need to rush him, we could let him develop in the gym for a couple of years. For mine if he was on the board at 43 I would be happy if we called his name out.
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What's the point of drafting a player who might never become a ruckman and would be behind quite a few KPPs? As tigs has said before, McBean isn't really a ruckman.
 
Richo83 said:
What's the point of drafting a player who might never become a ruckman and would be behind quite a few KPPs? As tigs has said before, McBean isn't really a ruckman.
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My viewpoint is that he is a kid that we can develop slowly over a couple of years and have a ready to go replacement a couple of years down the track that would be able to step in should those ahead of him fail to cut it.

Looking at the list breakdown I put up the other day we could use a project type tall. If not McBean then Michael Close would be a handy replacement project tall. Its definitely a type of player that we need to target with our last pick.

Key Defenders:Rance 194cm 93kg 66 games
Chaplin 195cm 100kg 140 games
Grimes 193cm 87kg 17 games
Griffiths 199cm 98kg 18 games
Astbury 195cm 92kg 24 games
Darrou(r) 190cm 97kg 0 games

Key Forwards:
Riewoldt 195cm 93kg 112 games
Vickery 200cm 95kg 54 games
Elton 197cm 92kg 1 game
McGuane 192cm 91kg 93 games

Ruck:
Maric 200cm 102kg 98 games
Derickx 201cm 99kg 2 games
 
_RT_ said:
My viewpoint is that he is a kid that we can develop slowly over a couple of years and have a ready to go replacement a couple of years down the track that would be able to step in should those ahead of him fail to cut it.

Looking at the list breakdown I put up the other day we could use a project type tall. If not McBean then Michael Close would be a handy replacement project tall. Its definitely a type of player that we need to target with our last pick.

Key Defenders:Rance 194cm 93kg 66 games
Chaplin 195cm 100kg 140 games
Grimes 193cm 87kg 17 games
Griffiths 199cm 98kg 18 games
Astbury 195cm 92kg 24 games
Darrou(r) 190cm 97kg 0 games

Key Forwards:
Riewoldt 195cm 93kg 112 games
Vickery 200cm 95kg 54 games
Elton 197cm 92kg 1 game
McGuane 192cm 91kg 93 games

Ruck:
Maric 200cm 102kg 98 games
Derickx 201cm 99kg 2 games
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That's the way Richmond used to draft, by punting on kids who didn't really have the skills to become what we wanted them to become in the hope that they would.

I would rather Richmond draft a 23-25 year old ruckman than a kid who isn't one. I agree that Richmond would like another ruckman, but have a look at the profiles of Mcbean:

Profile: Ruckman who can also play forward and has also spent most of this year playing down back so there is some versatility. McBean is an agile type ruckman who is excellent at ground level for a player of his size and has an excellent skill set and decision making ability for a tall. As a forward typically leads to the right spots and is a strong marking target without being a contested marking threat. Additionally he is an above average set shot goal kicker which is another nice positive. As a defender McBean has shown that he has the ability spoil his man and do a defensive job while using it cleanly from the back half for someone of his height. Physically McBean has a long way to go and I don’t ever expect him to develop into a super powerful ruckman but with time there is the chance that he develops into a useful tall utility who can play forward/back and some minutes as a no.2 ruck.
I'm still not sure what I stand on Liam McBean. I'm pretty sure I like him. But he is that type of player that I've never liked - ruckman size, but not really a ruckman. And I don't think McBean will ever be a ruckman either, think he might struggle to bulk up enough to really be able to compete in the middle. But that's OK, because he has shown promising signs both in the forward line and more recently in the backline. And I think I would develop him into a CHB. For starters, he is very athletic for someone his size. So he isn't a liability in that regard. He can more than hold his own against the tall forwards both in the air and on the ground. McBean looks to be a really disciplined defender, he spoils well and rarely gives his opponent any space. But he is also more than capable up forward - not a super strong mark, but good enough for someone as tall as him. Also has a nice kick on him, both around the ground and for goal. A lot of people (myself included) seem sceptical about 200cm players who aren't ruckman, but I think McBean could be a very good player. And the way the game is going these days, you need players of that at either end of the ground. AFL Comparison: Lachie Hendersen.

Now, if Richmond wants to draft a 200 cm KPP, that's fine, although I think we're almost set for KPPs anyway. As for Close, he's listed as 195cm, that's too short, even as a second ruck. If I were Richmond, I'd be drafting the best midfielders and hopefully picking up a mature aged ruckman like Hannath.
 
Richo83 said:
That's the way Richmond used to draft, by punting on kids who didn't really have the skills to become what we wanted them to become in the hope that they would.

I would rather Richmond draft a 23-25 year old ruckman than a kid who isn't one. I agree that Richmond would like another ruckman, but have a look at the profiles of Mcbean:

Profile: Ruckman who can also play forward and has also spent most of this year playing down back so there is some versatility. McBean is an agile type ruckman who is excellent at ground level for a player of his size and has an excellent skill set and decision making ability for a tall. As a forward typically leads to the right spots and is a strong marking target without being a contested marking threat. Additionally he is an above average set shot goal kicker which is another nice positive. As a defender McBean has shown that he has the ability spoil his man and do a defensive job while using it cleanly from the back half for someone of his height. Physically McBean has a long way to go and I don’t ever expect him to develop into a super powerful ruckman but with time there is the chance that he develops into a useful tall utility who can play forward/back and some minutes as a no.2 ruck.
I'm still not sure what I stand on Liam McBean. I'm pretty sure I like him. But he is that type of player that I've never liked - ruckman size, but not really a ruckman. And I don't think McBean will ever be a ruckman either, think he might struggle to bulk up enough to really be able to compete in the middle. But that's OK, because he has shown promising signs both in the forward line and more recently in the backline. And I think I would develop him into a CHB. For starters, he is very athletic for someone his size. So he isn't a liability in that regard. He can more than hold his own against the tall forwards both in the air and on the ground. McBean looks to be a really disciplined defender, he spoils well and rarely gives his opponent any space. But he is also more than capable up forward - not a super strong mark, but good enough for someone as tall as him. Also has a nice kick on him, both around the ground and for goal. A lot of people (myself included) seem sceptical about 200cm players who aren't ruckman, but I think McBean could be a very good player. And the way the game is going these days, you need players of that at either end of the ground. AFL Comparison: Lachie Hendersen.

Now, if Richmond wants to draft a 200 cm KPP, that's fine, although I think we're almost set for KPPs anyway. As for Close, he's listed as 195cm, that's too short, even as a second ruck. If I were Richmond, I'd be drafting the best midfielders and hopefully picking up a mature aged ruckman like Hannath.
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In drafting Close it would be purely as a backup KPP and I believe that we definitely need to add at least 1 in the upcoming drafts be it National or Rookie. It would seem that Wood is going to be that tall anyway. I do agree that taking midfielders would be the preferred way to go in the drafts.
 
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