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I enjoy reading phantom drafts which have in depth reasoning why each club could pic this player or that player...As like boundforglory phantom draft http://boundforglorynews.com/2012-afl-phantom-draft/ who have us picking Stringer at 9, Atkins at 32, Graham at 34 and Banfield at 43 i came across Kristians phantom draft which was a delight to read, below are his choices for Richmond and an accompanying link below to see his entire choices for all clubs....
Kristian’s 2012 Phantom Draft
PICK 9 – RICHMOND: OLIVER WINES
Height: 188cm, Weight: 90kg, DOB: 7/10/1994
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
So Wines ends up at pick 9. I must admit, I even surprised myself at this, but just working through my predicted lists of each club and little bits that I’ve heard through the grapevine, there is every chance Wines or someone else who isn’t expected to will slip through. There is every chance Wines will be taken ahead of Toumpas by Melbourne, but if they don’t this is every possibility. If not, it was Nick Vlastuin at this pick.
If he’s available at pick 9, I think Richmond will eat him up. The lookout is for an inside midfielder and Wines is one of the very best in the draft.
His most recent measurements at the Combine had him at 188cm and 90kg. This isn’t a kid, he’s a man already.
I mentioned during the week that he’s as AFL ready as Dustin Martin was in 2010. He’s on that level.
Ollie Wines is just a clearance, contested and tackling beast. Everything Richmond is after is right here. He played a fabulous 10 games for Bendigo this year, averaging 25 possessions, 5 marks and a brilliant 8 tackles. To put it in perspective, Andrew Swallow led the AFL with 7 tackles a game in 2012. He used the ball at 64%, but you have to factor in the amount of possessions of his are contested.
At the National Champs, nothing changed. He averaged 25 possessions again (53% of those contested), at 63% efficiency, with 5 marks, 4 clearances, 4 inside 50’s and 5 tackles a game.
His consistency was remarkable right through the season. Including the Champs, he only fell under 20 disposals twice (from 14 games) and 4 games over 30 possessions.
My absolute favourite Ollie Wines game all season, was when he carved Queensland up, collecting 31 possessions (17 contested), at 81% efficiency, with 6 marks, 5 clearances, 7 inside 50’s and 5 tackles. That was an inside midfielder’s game right out of the scrap book. They are Ryan O’Keefe Finals 2012 numbers.
At the Combine he tested very well. The standout for me was the 14.3 shuttle run in hot conditions and the VO2 max sitting in the top 10%. He was also top 23% in the 3km time trial. In the sprints he sat at about the bottom 40% mark, but you can’t have everything. The fact he is capable of elite endurance, at his size, is excellent.
Skills wise aren’t where he stands out, but it’s more the fact it’s not a strength of his more than it is a weakness. His foot skills are, say, on par with Josh Kennedy, and heck, if you want to compare the two players you probably wouldn’t be too far off.
What you’re getting with Wines is a competitive beast, much in a similar mould to Nick Vlastuin. He’ll become a very good inside midfielder at AFL level, I have no doubt. You just can’t go past his size. It’s incredible for someone who’s just turned 18 years old.
On draft night, if Jimmy Toumpas is passed up by GWS, I can see Melbourne taking Toumpas instead, leaving Wines a possible option for Port Adelaide and that’s about it. I could be way off the mark, but that’s my reading of it anyway.
PICK 32 – RICHMOND: RORY ATKINS
Height: 186cm, Weight: 81kg, DOB: 12/7/1994
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Atkins is mostly an outside midfielder who’s a very good disposer by hand and foot.
He played 13 games for Calder this season and averaged 20 disposals and 6 marks at 75% disposal efficiency off mostly a wing.
The way he plays actually reminds me very much of Kade Simpson with his left foot.
He isn’t the quickest player, which totally ruins that comparison, but his endurance is OK. He was in the top 37% in the 3km time trial and ran a 12.9 shuttle run in the hot conditions.
PICK 34 – RICHMOND: SAM LOWRIE
Height: 187cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 22/7/1994
Recruited from: South Fremantle
Sam Lowrie comes in as one of my favourite players in the draft. He hasn’t received much fan fare because he is looked at behind the likes of Dayle Garlett, Josh Simpson, Mason Shaw and Nick Rodda in the Western Australian ranks.
Standing at 187cm, Lowrie is a nicely sized midfielder from South Fremantle, who has now enjoyed two very good seasons at WAFL Colts level.
In round 11, last season, Sam broke both bones in his leg as a 16 year old. He missed the rest of the season but made his return in round two this year, and hasn’t missed a beat since. Before he broke his leg, he was averaging 21 disposals, 5 marks, 3 tackles and 2 goals a game.
This season he stepped it up again, averaging 15 kicks, 24 disposals, 7 marks, 2 tackles and a goal a game.
I was looking forward to seeing him in the flesh at the National Champs this year, but unfortunately his game time was very limited and he didn’t even get an invite to the Draft Combine.
From his limited opportunities at the Champs, I was most impressed, showing his class in the limited minutes he was actually in the midfield, because a lot of the time when he was on the ground he was stuck on a half forward flank.
He only averaged 60% game time at the Champs, and from that he managed to get 10 kicks, 16 disposals, 72% disposal efficiency, 6 marks, 4 tackles and 3 clearances a game. Statistically his two best games were in games one and three, where he got 21 disposals in each of those, but I thought game five was his best. It was televised, if you want to go back and look at it, and even though he only spent 58% of the game on the ground, in that short time he gathered 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 of those possessions contested, 83% disposal efficiency, and also a brilliant 6 clearances.
You see a lot of players win the contested ball and cough it up, but Sam shows great awareness of knowing where his teammates are and he’ll more often than not find a target.
While I see Sam more as an outside midfielder because he’s very good at linking up, spreading from the contest and possesses a great running game, he does have the ability to go inside, win clearances and use his big frame to win the contested ball.
I’m not sure of his results at the State Screening, but I anticipate he would’ve recorded some very good results in the endurance categories.
The other great thing about Lowrie is his size. He’s got an AFL ready body. Standing at 187cm, it gives him some serious versatility to play a variety of positions. He is a really good overhead mark which makes him a very good option to be a modern day wingman with his spread and endurance.
I think the fact he broke his leg last year may be the reason for the lack of talk about him, but I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he snuck into the top 30 on draft night.
PICK 43 – RICHMOND: TOM TEMAY
Height: 180cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 6/2/1994
Recruited from: Sandringham Dragons
Temay’s known for the lock down job he did on Lachie Whitfield in the National Champs, and it was mighty impressive. He also had 20 odd touches himself.
Temay’s more a half back type with decent disposal. I’ve heard some people say it’s very good, but I’m not convinced it’s anything out of the ordinary; just solid.
I think he could be used well as a negating defender or midfielder in the future with his big tank which is what the Richmond recruiters typically look at. He didn’t test in the endurance categories at the Combine, but he was around average for the sprints.
http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-post-season/kristians-2012-phantom-draft/
Kristian’s 2012 Phantom Draft
PICK 9 – RICHMOND: OLIVER WINES
Height: 188cm, Weight: 90kg, DOB: 7/10/1994
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
So Wines ends up at pick 9. I must admit, I even surprised myself at this, but just working through my predicted lists of each club and little bits that I’ve heard through the grapevine, there is every chance Wines or someone else who isn’t expected to will slip through. There is every chance Wines will be taken ahead of Toumpas by Melbourne, but if they don’t this is every possibility. If not, it was Nick Vlastuin at this pick.
If he’s available at pick 9, I think Richmond will eat him up. The lookout is for an inside midfielder and Wines is one of the very best in the draft.
His most recent measurements at the Combine had him at 188cm and 90kg. This isn’t a kid, he’s a man already.
I mentioned during the week that he’s as AFL ready as Dustin Martin was in 2010. He’s on that level.
Ollie Wines is just a clearance, contested and tackling beast. Everything Richmond is after is right here. He played a fabulous 10 games for Bendigo this year, averaging 25 possessions, 5 marks and a brilliant 8 tackles. To put it in perspective, Andrew Swallow led the AFL with 7 tackles a game in 2012. He used the ball at 64%, but you have to factor in the amount of possessions of his are contested.
At the National Champs, nothing changed. He averaged 25 possessions again (53% of those contested), at 63% efficiency, with 5 marks, 4 clearances, 4 inside 50’s and 5 tackles a game.
His consistency was remarkable right through the season. Including the Champs, he only fell under 20 disposals twice (from 14 games) and 4 games over 30 possessions.
My absolute favourite Ollie Wines game all season, was when he carved Queensland up, collecting 31 possessions (17 contested), at 81% efficiency, with 6 marks, 5 clearances, 7 inside 50’s and 5 tackles. That was an inside midfielder’s game right out of the scrap book. They are Ryan O’Keefe Finals 2012 numbers.
At the Combine he tested very well. The standout for me was the 14.3 shuttle run in hot conditions and the VO2 max sitting in the top 10%. He was also top 23% in the 3km time trial. In the sprints he sat at about the bottom 40% mark, but you can’t have everything. The fact he is capable of elite endurance, at his size, is excellent.
Skills wise aren’t where he stands out, but it’s more the fact it’s not a strength of his more than it is a weakness. His foot skills are, say, on par with Josh Kennedy, and heck, if you want to compare the two players you probably wouldn’t be too far off.
What you’re getting with Wines is a competitive beast, much in a similar mould to Nick Vlastuin. He’ll become a very good inside midfielder at AFL level, I have no doubt. You just can’t go past his size. It’s incredible for someone who’s just turned 18 years old.
On draft night, if Jimmy Toumpas is passed up by GWS, I can see Melbourne taking Toumpas instead, leaving Wines a possible option for Port Adelaide and that’s about it. I could be way off the mark, but that’s my reading of it anyway.
PICK 32 – RICHMOND: RORY ATKINS
Height: 186cm, Weight: 81kg, DOB: 12/7/1994
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Atkins is mostly an outside midfielder who’s a very good disposer by hand and foot.
He played 13 games for Calder this season and averaged 20 disposals and 6 marks at 75% disposal efficiency off mostly a wing.
The way he plays actually reminds me very much of Kade Simpson with his left foot.
He isn’t the quickest player, which totally ruins that comparison, but his endurance is OK. He was in the top 37% in the 3km time trial and ran a 12.9 shuttle run in the hot conditions.
PICK 34 – RICHMOND: SAM LOWRIE
Height: 187cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 22/7/1994
Recruited from: South Fremantle
Sam Lowrie comes in as one of my favourite players in the draft. He hasn’t received much fan fare because he is looked at behind the likes of Dayle Garlett, Josh Simpson, Mason Shaw and Nick Rodda in the Western Australian ranks.
Standing at 187cm, Lowrie is a nicely sized midfielder from South Fremantle, who has now enjoyed two very good seasons at WAFL Colts level.
In round 11, last season, Sam broke both bones in his leg as a 16 year old. He missed the rest of the season but made his return in round two this year, and hasn’t missed a beat since. Before he broke his leg, he was averaging 21 disposals, 5 marks, 3 tackles and 2 goals a game.
This season he stepped it up again, averaging 15 kicks, 24 disposals, 7 marks, 2 tackles and a goal a game.
I was looking forward to seeing him in the flesh at the National Champs this year, but unfortunately his game time was very limited and he didn’t even get an invite to the Draft Combine.
From his limited opportunities at the Champs, I was most impressed, showing his class in the limited minutes he was actually in the midfield, because a lot of the time when he was on the ground he was stuck on a half forward flank.
He only averaged 60% game time at the Champs, and from that he managed to get 10 kicks, 16 disposals, 72% disposal efficiency, 6 marks, 4 tackles and 3 clearances a game. Statistically his two best games were in games one and three, where he got 21 disposals in each of those, but I thought game five was his best. It was televised, if you want to go back and look at it, and even though he only spent 58% of the game on the ground, in that short time he gathered 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 of those possessions contested, 83% disposal efficiency, and also a brilliant 6 clearances.
You see a lot of players win the contested ball and cough it up, but Sam shows great awareness of knowing where his teammates are and he’ll more often than not find a target.
While I see Sam more as an outside midfielder because he’s very good at linking up, spreading from the contest and possesses a great running game, he does have the ability to go inside, win clearances and use his big frame to win the contested ball.
I’m not sure of his results at the State Screening, but I anticipate he would’ve recorded some very good results in the endurance categories.
The other great thing about Lowrie is his size. He’s got an AFL ready body. Standing at 187cm, it gives him some serious versatility to play a variety of positions. He is a really good overhead mark which makes him a very good option to be a modern day wingman with his spread and endurance.
I think the fact he broke his leg last year may be the reason for the lack of talk about him, but I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he snuck into the top 30 on draft night.
PICK 43 – RICHMOND: TOM TEMAY
Height: 180cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 6/2/1994
Recruited from: Sandringham Dragons
Temay’s known for the lock down job he did on Lachie Whitfield in the National Champs, and it was mighty impressive. He also had 20 odd touches himself.
Temay’s more a half back type with decent disposal. I’ve heard some people say it’s very good, but I’m not convinced it’s anything out of the ordinary; just solid.
I think he could be used well as a negating defender or midfielder in the future with his big tank which is what the Richmond recruiters typically look at. He didn’t test in the endurance categories at the Combine, but he was around average for the sprints.
http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-post-season/kristians-2012-phantom-draft/
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Did you know that Lonergan was playing those games having comeback early from a torn posterior cruciate ligament? Despite that averaged just over 16 disposals(12 contested) and 5 tackles a game.
FWIW, Knightmare posted the following names when asked about which players from this draft he see's as having 'star quality':
Daniher
O'Meara
McCrae
Viney
For those real franchise players it's those others I rate inside my top 10 in my power rankings. So Lachie Whitfield, Brad Crouch, Jimmy Toumpas, Brodie Grundy, Jake Stringer and Nick Vlastuin are also in this category along with the players I just mentioned where they look like stars and could very well be stars at the next level if things go right.
* FYI: in bold are the two (who could realistically be there at our pick) who I would be happy for us to take ahead of Vlastuin.
Now, I know KM is only one man, and other mock draft writers disagree on various players to varying degrees (including Vlastuin), but from where I'm sitting, he's one of the most qualified guys (outside a full time, professional AFL recruiter) to determine whether or not Vlastuin or anyone else is likely to be a "star" at AFL level - certainly better informed than I, and I'll assume you. FWIW, Chris25 is one of the other mock draft writers who seems fairly well informed, and he has Vlastuin going at 7.
Now, I'll admit I have only seen bits and pieces of Vlastuin, but from everything I've seen and read, the one player I keep seeing flashbacks of is Michael Voss. Vossy was a talented player, sure, but IMO it was his sheer work ethic, mental toughness and aggression that saw him get the absolute best out of himself. I see similar traits in Vlastuin, and like Voss, he could well be a premiership captain at the end of his career (hopefully for the RFC. obviously!).
I see similar traits in Vlastuin, and like Voss, he could well be a premiership captain at the end of his career (hopefully for the RFC. obviously!).
And hopefully AFTER Cotch does!
Of course!
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Could miss out all together.
Heard he tested pretty poorly at the combine. Would we take a punt at 32 over say Atkins? I'd be over the moon if we landed Vlastuin and Garlett.
I think the pies will take the plunge Tigs
That bad?? Any idea why? I know his endurance was poor at the combine but has he been getting into some mischief or something?
Miss out altogether? Unless he has committed murder I don't know about, then I would seriously doubt this. Actually would be the most amazing thing I would have seen.
Collingwood, Sydney, St.Kilda clubs with more than a fluttering interest in him.
Collingwood, Sydney, St.Kilda clubs with more than a fluttering interest in him.
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Fair chance a club will get him late in draft if they want him. They'd be about the only clubs keen.
Unless collingwood take him I think he will be there at 43
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how many mids do we want? 2 mids more than enough and we need x factor someone like spencer.
need a tall!
need grundy!
how many mids do we want? 2 mids more than enough and we need x factor someone like spencer.
need a tall!
need grundy!
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A club will take the chance on him. A top ten talent player, who has had some problems but none as big as Troy Taylor will not miss out on the draft.
Even Troy got picked up. I am still astounded by this "rumour". I read the thread on the Draft board that Collingwood have gone cold because Emma thinks so. So now most are dismissing him altogether. If he is there at 32 and we don't take him, I would be disappointed.
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Huge red flags. Not surprised.
According to Quayle, 10 clubs have already given him a flat out "No."
It's quite difficult to imagine that we aren't one of those clubs.
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#9 Vlastuin
#32 Graham
#34 Atkins
#43 Garlett
I'd definitely take a punt at 43
Reckon with chocco down there the club might back themselves in if he was still there, well i more hope so anyway
#32 Graham
#34 Atkins
#43 Garlett
I'd definitely take a punt at 43
Reckon with chocco down there the club might back themselves in if he was still there, well i more hope so anyway
What are these red flags? What have you heard?
2 things !
1. Is it me or does Jesse Lonergan scream out Dayne Swan and being 17 yo (just turned 18) looks mighty impressive.
2. Sp whats the issue thats got Dayle off side with all the clubs, If he is there at #32 I would be doing Cart wheels
#9 - Grundy/Menzel
#32 - Garlett
#34 - Towers
#43 - White
Now that would be a fantastic Haul
1. Is it me or does Jesse Lonergan scream out Dayne Swan and being 17 yo (just turned 18) looks mighty impressive.
2. Sp whats the issue thats got Dayle off side with all the clubs, If he is there at #32 I would be doing Cart wheels
#9 - Grundy/Menzel
#32 - Garlett
#34 - Towers
#43 - White
Now that would be a fantastic Haul
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