2nds 2012 Eagles WAFL watch thread - Part 2

[SpaceClef]

I only watched parts but he seemed to be in the middle.

Ugh....so uninspired by our player development at the moment...

Recent picks in the 20s:

Stevens in his third year averaging 21 possessions (down from last year)
Lycett going from a super agile marking machine in U/18s for SA to someone who seems to struggle to get near the ball (averaging only 3 marks, 1 goal and 11 touches per game this year)
Weedon being protected in defense in a dominant side
Newman and McInnes looking like long-term prospects, and seem a way off having an impact at AFL level

Clearly none are doing that badly, but we should be getting better value from our draft picks, especially those in the top 30. When the only fringe player really to come into the side and have a consistent impact is Brennan, we should actually be grateful that our injuries have been mostly limited to the forward line.
Freo's past three drafts (with the exception of Pittgate) are, over the next few years, possibly going to make our recruiting team look a bit silly IMO.

Regards,
Geoffe

 

[eagles rule]

Reserves watch:
Papertalk 5K, 5H, 2M
Hamp 4K, 4H, 5M

these 2 are a waste of time on the list plenty of better young players playing league.

 

[sTeeL]

Well it makes it easier to cut our rookie list by 2 like we have to.

 

[eagles rule]

Stevens , Lycett and McInnes should be moved to Claremont instead of having to struggle in young teams that always seem to be rebuilding .

 

[bodazoka]

Freo's past three drafts (with the exception of Pittgate) are, over the next few years, possibly going to make our recruiting team look a bit silly IMO.

Regards,
Geoffe

2011: Tom Sheridan, Hayden Crozier, Alex Forster
2011: Murray Newman, Fraser McInnes

2010: Jayden Pitt, Viv Michie, Josh Mellington
2010: Andrew Gaff, Jack Darling, Scott Lycett

2009: Anthony Morabito, Nathan Fyfe, Joel Houghton
2009: Brad Sheppard, Gerrick Weedon, Koby Stevens

Freo got Barlow, but he has come back to the pack allot.

Who wins?

 

[eagles rule]

steel if we are serious about it there are a lot of guys who would give their left nut to be on the rookie list ..

 

[SpaceClef]

2011: Tom Sheridan, Hayden Crozier, Alex Forster
2011: Murray Newman, Fraser McInnes

2010: Jayden Pitt, Viv Michie, Josh Mellington
2010: Andrew Gaff, Jack Darling, Scott Lycett

2009: Anthony Morabito, Nathan Fyfe, Joel Houghton
2009: Brad Sheppard, Gerrick Weedon, Koby Stevens

Freo got Barlow, but he has come back to the pack allot.

Who wins?

At this stage Freo wins '09 and '11 by a long way. Sheridan and Crozier (and Neale, Spurr, Sutcliffe and Schloithe) all look like good players. Thing is they're taking a lot of them and their underperforming hacks that were drafted in the mid - late 00s all have replacements, whereas we are stuck playing guys like A Selwood and McGinnity cos we have no depth but for 3 or 4 players who we rate highly simply because they were early picks. Gaff and Darling are obviously guns, but one cost us a wooden spoon and the other we're very lucky to have.

EDIT: to illustrate my point, rookies like De Boer and Walters are playing better than most of the 2nd rounders we have picked over the past few years.

EDIT 2: my bad, Walters wasn't a rookie. (Pick 52)

 

[eagles rule]

too early to compare picks especially 2011 unless you have a crystal ball
in 09 Freo had a low pk in a strong first top 10 draft the rest of the picks were considered average to good .
In 2010 we had Gaff as a low pick in a strong draft and freo had a 1st pk in the 20`s.

 

[sTeeL]

I wouldnt touch Crozier. Ever.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

2011: Tom Sheridan, Hayden Crozier, Alex Forster
2011: Murray Newman, Fraser McInnes

2010: Jayden Pitt, Viv Michie, Josh Mellington
2010: Andrew Gaff, Jack Darling, Scott Lycett

2009: Anthony Morabito, Nathan Fyfe, Joel Houghton
2009: Brad Sheppard, Gerrick Weedon, Koby Stevens

Freo got Barlow, but he has come back to the pack allot.

Who wins?

Considering you could almost put a line through Fremantles 2010 selections

 

[Eastern Rangers]

At this stage Freo wins '09 and '11 by a long way. Sheridan and Crozier (and Neale, Spurr, Sutcliffe and Schloithe) all look like good players.
EDIT: to illustrate my point, rookies like De Boer and Walters are playing better than most of the 2nd rounders we have picked over the past few years.

Fremantle go very deep into drafts and plenty of those guys will be delisted in short time. Only so many deBoars, Lowers, Spurrs, Crowley's any one side can take.

Fremantle havn't drafted any KPF's. McPharlin and Pavlich are playing great football but they are getting on in age. So how will Crozier, Neale and Walters be playing alongside Balyntyne?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Stevens , Lycett and McInnes should be moved to Claremont instead of having to struggle in young teams that always seem to be rebuilding .

Reserves side.

 

[SpaceClef]

I wouldnt touch Crozier. Ever.

Seriously? Looks super talented.

Fremantle go very deep into drafts and plenty of those guys will be delisted in short time. Only so many deBoars, Lowers, Spurrs, Crowley's any one side can take.

Fremantle havn't drafted any KPF's. McPharlin and Pavlich are playing great football but they are getting on in age. So how will Crozier, Neale and Walters be playing alongside Balyntyne?

De Boer has been a huge pick up. I think they're waiting to trade in a ready made KPF, but I agree that is a hole in their squad for sure.
Regardless, I brought up Freo because I am more aware of their draftees than other sides. Still think we place too much reliance on fewer higher value draft picks, when really those mentioned earlier are not setting the WAFL alight.

Taking two picks in the 20s and giving rookies like Stevenson and Strijk short contracts to languish in the WAFL is not necessarily better than taking 5 picks in the top 70.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Recent picks in the 20s:

Stevens in his third year averaging 21 possessions (down from last year)
Lycett going from a super agile marking machine in U/18s for SA to someone who seems to struggle to get near the ball (averaging only 3 marks, 1 goal and 11 touches per game this year)
Weedon being protected in defense in a dominant side
Newman and McInnes looking like long-term prospects, and seem a way off having an impact at AFL level

There was a bloke we took a few picks before Lycett that you seem to have omitted

 

[SpaceClef]

There was a bloke we took a few picks before Lycett that you seem to have omitted

Yeh definitely Darling was a win, I'm not saying our picks have been all bad. We were pretty lucky to get him though. Still, I don't think we can deny that we are relatively bereft of players who can come into the side and make an impact at AFL level. I should have qualified it with 'recent picks in the 20s who are playing in the WAFL'.

It would just be good if our players had serious pressure on them to hold their spots.

 

[sTeeL]

I am surprised people are lining up to take shots at Lycett though. His job was always to spend a few years developing in the two's so we have a certain replacement for when Cox retires.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Stevenson, Strijk and Dalziell are performing well but there's certainly a few others that could lift their game. Smith and Weedon to name a couple.

A lot of the pressure is going to come from players coming back from injury. Sheppard, Rosa and Butler all missed this week, and Kennedy's still to come back as well.

 

[SpaceClef]

I am surprised people are lining up to take shots at Lycett though. His job was always to spend a few years developing in the two's so we have a certain replacement for when Cox retires.

I'm not having shots at him personally all, it would just be good if he was played as a ruck in that case, and not as a forward who is taking fewer marks than last year and only kicking a goal a game. My OP was an exaggeration but I was procrastinating in the library and needed something to take mind off my thesis.

too early to compare picks especially 2011 unless you have a crystal ball
in 09 Freo had a low pk in a strong first top 10 draft the rest of the picks were considered average to good

Yeh I think I was mixing up their 09 draft with 08. I guess I'm just sceptical of the supposedly foolproof 'quality over quantity' approach, as it puts us in a compromised position if the quality isn't necessarily that good. I wouldn't be that fussed if we turned over some of our fringe players and went deeper in this draft.

 

[jknothimjustafan]

I am surprised people are lining up to take shots at Lycett though. His job was always to spend a few years developing in the two's so we have a certain replacement for when Cox retires.

We (and especially the club) need to be very patient with this man. He can be a very solid key forward/2nd ruck if given the time to develop properly.

 

[Masto]

Well it makes it easier to cut our rookie list by 2 like we have to.

At least they are playing. Mascoulis has barely got on the field. His durability must be questionable.

 

[sTeeL]

We've stuck with Butler forever so Im not sure durability is an issue with West Coast

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Stevens , Lycett and McInnes should be moved to Claremont instead of having to struggle in young teams that always seem to be rebuilding .

Stevens? East Freo certainly don't qualify as a young team on the rebuild.

 

[eagles rule]

Stevens? East Freo certainly don't qualify as a young team on the rebuild.

maybe but whens the last time they had a team good enough to play finals ?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

maybe but whens the last time they had a team good enough to play finals ?

This year? 2010? They only just missed out in 2011 as well, if memory serves me correctly.

 

[Belltower]

Newman and Mcinnes both look like real finds, haven't seen much out of the dockers players that make them any better. Neale looks like a poor mans ballantyne, sheridan hasnt even played yet and he is more physically ready than our 2, sutcliffe doesn't look anything special, crozier is a clever, skilful type but he looks like one of those flash in types, you can't build a team around those picks. Dockers are hoping to snag some key position types through free agency and trading because they are aware they have not drafted any good talls. Currently they are playing well because they have bought in to Lyons game plan and but do you really think they have the talent with the list to go the whole way, a lot of foot soldiers and a sprinkling of talent won't do the trick, they do not have the class in the midfield to go all the way at the moment, this is being papered over by the oustanding play of pavlich and the stingy defence. We do have the talent there, however it is not deep enough and when our first choicers are getting beaten we don't have the backup, yes we are probably are one gun short (bennell or coniglio) but I doubt we can do anything about it at the moment because we will not be able to get one to come over.