2012 list management.

[WrongUn]

Current rucks at the club:

#1
Smith, 22yo, 36 games, 205cm, 97kg, 621 career hitouts

#2's
Dixon (Fwd/Back), 22yo, 22 games, 200cm, 101kg, 102 career hitouts
Hickey, 21yo, 12 games, 201cm, 87kg, 109 career hitouts
Gorringe (Fwd), 20yo, 8 games, 200cm, 88kg, 27 career hitouts
Nicholls, 20yo, 1 game, 201cm, 93kg, 10 career hitouts
J.Hall (rookie), 22yo, 2 games, 197cm, 84kg, 0 career hitouts

Pinch hitters:
Thompson (Def/Fwd), 21yo, 13 games, 200cm, 91kg, 14 career hitouts
Brennan (Fwd/Def/Mid), 28yo, 158 games, 195cm, 95kg, 257 career hitouts
Lynch (Fwd), 19yo, 30 games, 199cm, 91kg, 37 career hitouts

You would have to think trade bait screaming out for at least 2 rucks this trades period...
We have by far the most rucks on our list compared to other clubs, which was the common sense approach with a new club/list, but time to start trading in return for players/picks to upgrade our playing list.

 

[Cameron_]

Current rucks at the club:

#1
Smith, 22yo, 36 games, 205cm, 97kg, 621 career hitouts

#2's
Dixon (Fwd/Back), 22yo, 22 games, 200cm, 101kg, 102 career hitouts
Hickey, 21yo, 12 games, 201cm, 87kg, 109 career hitouts
Gorringe (Fwd), 20yo, 8 games, 200cm, 88kg, 27 career hitouts
Nicholls, 20yo, 1 game, 201cm, 93kg, 10 career hitouts
J.Hall (rookie), 22yo, 2 games, 197cm, 84kg, 0 career hitouts

Pinch hitters:
Thompson (Def/Fwd), 21yo, 13 games, 200cm, 91kg, 14 career hitouts
Brennan (Fwd/Def/Mid), 28yo, 158 games, 195cm, 95kg, 257 career hitouts
Lynch (Fwd), 19yo, 30 games, 199cm, 91kg, 37 career hitouts

You would have to think trade bait screaming out for at least 2 rucks this trades period...
We have by far the most rucks on our list compared to other clubs, which was the common sense approach with a new club/list, but time to start trading in return for players/picks to upgrade our playing list.

Really liking the look of that list. Some great ruck potential, Collingwood will definitely be shopping for a backup ruckman during the trade period.

 

[Dammit]

I've thought about this a few times. What do you think Collingwood would give up for, let's just say, a Gorringe? Do you think you would part with a guy like a Goldsack? Or Harry O (not that I rate him but)?

 

[supernova_]

probably neither are of much value to us I would have thought DWD?

Caddy + Gorringe for Beams?

 

[supernova_]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...elder-josh-caddy/story-e6frf9jf-1226468446873

OFF-CONTRACT Gold Coast midfielder Josh Caddy is still wrestling with his future, with St Kilda understood to be the frontrunners for his services.

I'm still hopeful he stays...I dont care what big Iva says!

 

[Dammit]

Caddy + Gorringe would get us Pendlebury at least! Haha

Yeah you're probably right though. Outside of that key forward we do desperately need, I'd love to turn some I our excess youngsters into really decent players that provide toughness and experience and who aren't too old. With our need to cull so many, why not try and turn the 8 players we cull into 2 or 3 good ones. Unlikely, but I think we'd be a realistic chance at someone like a Goldsack. Doesn't fill a hole but would be in our 22 each week. Can't think of a few others: would love to pick up a couple of guys like Johnson from freo, Goldsack, MaCaffer, Cam Wood, Polkinghorne, Hampson, Mitch Robinson, Crameri, Courtenay Dempsey, Monfries, Varcoe (at a stretch), Puopolo, Hamish McIntosh (massive stretch), Nathan Foley or Mitch Brown. Maybe I'm in fantasy land, but of we could somehow turn some of our kids who we have to let go into one or two o these guys - we'd be absolutely flying! Outside of our key forward that we must get, I really hope we look at guys like that.

 

[Dammit]

Also, just been looking/thinking, if the saints are keen to get either Hickey or Caddy, you'd have to think that Armitage would make his way up as part of it wouldn't you? From Queensland, played sixty odd games and is exactly the type of player I was talking about above?

 

[Strahany]

Also, just been looking/thinking, if the saints are keen to get either Hickey or Caddy, you'd have to think that Armitage would make his way up as part of it wouldn't you? From Queensland, played sixty odd games and is exactly the type of player I was talking about above?

That's an interesting proposition. What would the total be, from your point of view? i.e would Armitage need to be packaged with someone else?

From St Kilda's perspective, they wouldn't be keen at all on trading Armitage. Whilst we have plenty of young midfielders who have shown promise, only Armitage and Steven have shown a consistent level of performance that would indicate they'd be able to take over the reigns from Lenny, Dal, Montagna et al. So, because of that, I'd think that if St Kilda are indeed interested in Caddy, it would be to add to Armitage and Steven, rather than to replace one of them.

If the Saints were after Hickey and Caddy, what would it take to get it done, assuming the rumours are true, and that Caddy wants to come home, and Hickey is seeking a Victorian club. Our first rounder (pick 12), and ??.......

 

[Dammit]

Strahany I agree completely about Armitage. I rate him as well. A solid performer that I see as a glue guy - meaning him plus your high end mids = perfect midfield. If you know what I mean.

I guess it all depends on who the saints are after. Personally, from our end, if you wanted both Caddy and Hickey, I'd be happy with an Armitage + your first round 1 pick. I'd imagine us on-trading the pick to the crows for Tippett. I'd be super happy with some sort of three-way trade within those sort of parameters. Obviously we'd put something with the pick. C

I think most people here think that Caddy or Hickey alone are worth a high first rounder - say 7-14,, by themselves. I'd rate both I'd their value similarly - Caddy's shown more but Hickey is a rare tall with a lot of potential. I think one of these two alone for Armitage is you paying overs though. Maybe Caddy + an early second rounder for Armitage?

 

[blaze036]

Collingwood wouldnt be interested in caddy.

Toy on the otherhand... what would a suns supporter say is a fair trade for him?

I would use wellingham or goldsack to lure him. Both handy strong bodied versatile players. Toy was a highly rated junior, but thats in the past and has failed to produce in the AFL so far which is why i would think a straight swap for one of those two would be fair from a collingwood perspective. Thoughts?

 

[Sunny_]

If Armitage is a possibility, then that would certainly put the Saints as the front runners for Caddy. Bit more of a mature inside midfielder that can dish it out. Again, insider midfielder. Something we're lacking in. And he has the runs on the board to show he'll be a class act very soon.

I would do Caddy/Hickey for Armitage as a straight swap myself. Armitage has done the hard yards, averaging a bit over 20 touches a game with 4 tackles. And he's a goal kicking midfielder. He's about to reach 100 games and when he does, he'll just explode. Or such are my thoughts. Which is why I would be surprised to see the Saints let him go.

Caddy for Armitage is probably as close as a direct swap for like-for-like as we'll get, though Caddy probably has the more upside and is a bit taller. But still, wouldn't hesitate for that trade. As much as I love Hickey.

Maybe Caddy, Toy and second rounder (#23) for Armitage?

 

[Scotty_222]

Collingwood wouldnt be interested in caddy.

Toy on the otherhand... what would a suns supporter say is a fair trade for him?

I would use wellingham or goldsack to lure him. Both handy strong bodied versatile players. Toy was a highly rated junior, but thats in the past and has failed to produce in the AFL so far which is why i would think a straight swap for one of those two would be fair from a collingwood perspective. Thoughts?

definitely do that trade in a heart beat..

 

[Big Red Machine]

I don't know why everyone is so keen to get rid of Hickey for.

We don't have a surplus of rucks if you move Hockey into the front line with that contested mark ability. Send Dicko to the back (or half forward) full time and cull Nicolls/Trade Gorringe in the deal for Tippett and the problem is solved. May-Hickey-Tippett up in the forward line? Yes please.

 

[WrongUn]

Collingwood wouldnt be interested in caddy.

Toy on the otherhand... what would a suns supporter say is a fair trade for him?

I would use wellingham or goldsack to lure him. Both handy strong bodied versatile players. Toy was a highly rated junior, but thats in the past and has failed to produce in the AFL so far which is why i would think a straight swap for one of those two would be fair from a collingwood perspective. Thoughts?

Spot on Blaze, I too would love a trade like Goldsack for Toy. Great defensive player but versatile enough to have a run on the wing or up fwd if needed, and with 90 games under his belt.

These are the types of trades I really hope the Suns pursue this year. 24/25 year olds on the fringe of the top 8 teams best 22. It is the main area of our list we are lacking...We have an abundance of 19-22 years olds, and 28+ year olds. But no where near the depth needed in the 24-26yo age group to lead the club once our older players retire.

Trades like this would be win/win for both clubs. Toy could be a good fit the Pies and once back in Victoria where his heart is, I really expect him to live out his junior potential.

 

[Sunny_]

Would Collingwood honestly do a Toy straight swap for Goldsack? That seems like we're getting away with heaps there. Same for Wellingham.

 

[Dammit]

Have I gone absolutely crazy here??? Goldsack and Wellingham are established Premiership players. Toy is worth next to nothing in a trade. If we traded Toy for one of those guys it'd be the biggest stitch up in the history of trades. Their fans would literally lynch mob the Lexus centre. Pretty sure blaze036 is trolling.

 

[Dammit]

I would do Caddy/Hickey for Armitage as a straight swap myself. Armitage has done the hard yards, averaging a bit over 20 touches a game with 4 tackles. And he's a goal kicking midfielder. He's about to reach 100 games and when he does, he'll just explode. Or such are my thoughts. Which is why I would be surprised to see the Saints let him go.

Caddy for Armitage is probably as close as a direct swap for like-for-like as we'll get, though Caddy probably has the more upside and is a bit taller. But still, wouldn't hesitate for that trade. As much as I love Hickey.

Maybe Caddy, Toy and second rounder (#23) for Armitage?

Are you saying you'd do a straight swap: just caddy for Armitage? Or same with hickey? I like the idea. I don't know if the saints would do it with caddy - only because from their end it's a downgrade on a similar player. Hickey though they might - given their need for a tall as it really fills a hole. I reckon it's at least something we can look at and work with. Hopefully a win/win.

 

[Sunny_]

Are you saying you'd do a straight swap: just caddy for Armitage? Or same with hickey? I like the idea. I don't know if the saints would do it with caddy - only because from their end it's a downgrade on a similar player. Hickey though they might - given their need for a tall as it really fills a hole. I reckon it's at least something we can look at and work with. Hopefully a win/win.

I'm saying that I would do Caddy AND Hickey for Armitage. Not one or the other. I don't want to lose Hickey at all, but if that trade happened, I could at least see the value in it.

But I don't want to lose Hickey at all. So I would prefer the Caddy, Toy AND #23 for Armo.

 

[supernova_]

I'm saying that I would do Caddy AND Hickey for Armitage. Not one or the other. I don't want to lose Hickey at all, but if that trade happened, I could at least see the value in it.

But I don't want to lose Hickey at all. So I would prefer the Caddy, Toy AND #23 for Armo.

If you had a choice of keeping only 1 who would it be, Hickey or Gorringe

 

[Dammit]

I'm saying that I would do Caddy AND Hickey for Armitage. Not one or the other. I don't want to lose Hickey at all, but if that trade happened, I could at least see the value in it.

But I don't want to lose Hickey at all. So I would prefer the Caddy, Toy AND #23 for Armo.

Yeah good call Gary. Intelligent call. You're right, Armitage is probably worth tht given we'll probably lose Caddy anyway.

 

[Dammit]

If you had a choice of keeping only 1 who would it be, Hickey or Gorringe

That's a bloody tough one. I'd go Gorringe to stay. Only because I have queries over whether Hickey has the ability to pit on a bit of weight and muscle, or whether his body type will only ever allow him to be a beanpole.

 

[Sunny_]

Ideally I would like to keep both, but if I had to choose, I would keep Hickey over Gorringe. He has the runs on the board. If only because we have seen what Hickey can do and we won't ever get that homesick stuff.

Hickey right now is a shell of what he will be in 2-3 years. He's really in stage 1 of his development. Despite that, he competed well against other rucks of the competition. I think trading him away would be madness.

 

[SUNS]

I'd keep Gorringe any day of the week over Hickey.

 

[Herbs]

Dude, do not want Cam Wood, total hack and we already have better ruckmen. Showed early promise at Brisbane but has turned out a spud.

 

[supernova_]

I'd keep Gorringe any day of the week over Hickey.

I'm with you, would much rather Gorringe than Hickey.

Sunny: I'm not sure how you get he has runs on the board? Hickey has played 12 games, Gorringe played 8? Both are very raw, but I like Gorringe's atheletic ability more than Hickey.