2012 Prototype Teams

[Artax]

Am definately starting with Ablett along with Thompson, Goodes, Jelwood, Barlow & Hayes. Would love to get Swan in over Hayes but can see him cheapening quickly.

 

[Keystone agony]

@Bombermick, I think Ablett will be ranked number 1, so that covers the loss of Swan from Round 1. Hopefully he has a poor start and I can upgrade to him quickly.

I’m pretty happy with this team, mainly as It has the 8, 11, 11 bye structure.

Defenders: Goddard, Deledio, Shaw, Broughton, Clarke, Ellis, Spurr
(Darley, L Brown)

Midfielders: Ablett, J Selwood, Gibbs, Barlow, Horsely, Shiel
(Wingard, Clifton)

Rucks: Jacobs, Mumford
(Giles, Stephenson)

Forwards: Franklin, Zaharakis, Martin, J Lewis, Sidebottom, Zorko, Smedts
(Kerridge, Pfeiffer)

Cash Left: $75,200

Byes: Def (2, 4, 3) Mids (2, 2, 4) Rucks (2, 2, 0) Fwds (2, 3, 4)

Comments appreciated

Very nice team Hdecure, pretty similar to mine atm. Grr i want to be different. Although i have a few different premiums.

 

[iamthestig]

I certainly know he can handle a tag, but to say it wont affect his DT average/scoring is ludicrous logic aswell. Ablett without a tag is 20 points better than one with a tag.

Last year from watching Gold Coast towards the back end of the season, clubs didnt really put too much time into him. Even when tagged they were pretty loose.

He certainly has been my number 1 or 2 picked midfield premium and he remains in the side and probably will come round 1.

If only he got tagged at Geelong we'd have some point of reference for this analysis...

 

[Keystone agony]

If only he got tagged at Geelong we'd have some point of reference for this analysis...

Because Gold coast have such a strongly built midfield, maturity, confidence and know exactly how players in their own team do things. Pfftttt

 

[OneEyedPie7]

Because Gold coast have such a strongly built midfield, maturity, confidence and know exactly how players in their own team do things. Pfftttt

Hmmm, I think somebody missed the point.

 

[Keystone agony]

Hmmm, I think somebody missed the point.

What was the point OEY7, I seem to miss the points and kick the goals.

 

[Hank93]

What was the point OEY7, I seem to miss the points and kick the goals.

He was the most tagged player at Geelong and averaged 118 and 119 in 2009-2010. Clearly his scores won't drop below 115 in 2012 based on his form for Geelong.

 

[Keystone agony]

He was the most tagged player at Geelong and averaged 118 and 119 in 2009-2010. Clearly his scores won't drop below 115 in 2012 based on his form for Geelong.

I didnt know he still played for geelong?

 

[Hank93]

I didnt know he still played for geelong?

I'm giving you a comparison from when he last coped a heavy tag. Clearly his points didn't suffer then.

Your argument that I won't pick Ablett because he might cop a tag doesn't really hold up when he was averaging 119 every week for Geelong, with a heavy tag.

 

[Keystone agony]

I'm giving you a comparison from when he last coped a heavy tag. Clearly his points didn't suffer then.

Your argument that I won't pick Ablett because he might cop a tag doesn't really hold up when he was averaging 119 every week for Geelong, with a heavy tag.

I didnt know he was playing for a premiership team, are the wooden spooners really gonna be that good?

Im not sure if people are understanding my point?

 

[Hank93]

I didnt know he was playing for a premiership team, are the wooden spooners really gonna be that good?

Im not sure if people are understanding my point?

Your original point was that you were weary of picking him due to the possibility of copping a heavy tag in 2012. If you want an example of how he scored the last time he copped a heavy tag, then you'll have to look at his average in his final two years for Geelong. 119 in both years is still amazing.

He averaged 112 with zero pre season last year. He will easily average 116+ IMO.

I'll think you'll be surprised at the improvement of GC in 2012. 6-7 wins my predicton.

 

[Keystone agony]

Your original point was that you were weary of picking him due to the possibility of copping a heavy tag in 2012. If you want an example of how he scored the last time he copped a heavy tag, then you'll have to look at his average in his final two years for Geelong. 119 in both years is still amazing.

He averaged 112 with zero pre season last year. He will easily average 116+ IMO.

I'll think you'll be surprised at the improvement of GC in 2012. 6-7 wins my predicton.

My original point is he will cop a heavy tag in 2012 playing for GC not Geelong in a side that will be considered to have done very well to have won 6-7 games compared to the 20 games Geelong were winning in a season. At Geelong he had Bartel, SJ, Ling, Enright, Chapman, Selwood, Kelly, Corey the list goes on and on as we know. At GC he doesnt have the same protection as he did at Geelong in Bennell, Brennan, Harbrow, Horsely, Matera, Swallow, Rischa ect. I have no doubts that he can handle the hardest tag playing for geelong when they win every week with superstars all around him, you proved it.

As i said hes in my top 2 picked premiums and i see him as a captain option, just trying to look at the pros and cons and the above i am saying could be/is a possible con.

His upside is GC can only improve. From what i know is having a very good preseason compared to last year and last year he still avg over 112. However didnt attract the attention that he deserved of a tag last year because GC were considered basically no chance every week by the bookies to win and opposition teams thought the same. Ala they didn't need to tag him, why be negative and tag when you can be positive let players do their own thing and still win by 10 goals.

 

[54Dogs]

KA does make a reasonable point. There are only so many points to go around at GC and it's not as many as at the Cats. Of course he can handle a tag but he also has less support in the guts all be it GC were solid in clearances last year and strong around the ball.

On face value he will improve but it's hard to see more than 3-4 points pg from a player in a bottom 4 side.

I see improvement in him, I see him as a top 6 mid on average, but I also worry about his body. He hasn't played a full season since 2007 and that was his only full season since he started playing midfield. Always seems to have a niggle and many of them are soft tissue related.

I would be surprised if guys like Boyd, Gibbs and Murphy don't score more total points this year and ultimately this game is about scoring points. You want your ultra premiums on the park every week.

 

[Hank93]

I just think it's crazy to overlook him when he has had an injury free pre season. If you look at his scores from round 8 he averaged 125.78 (Ignoring the Swans game where he got 23). And that was in GC's first year. How good could that be when the young Suns players have another year of development in them.

This is what he is capable of when he gets some continuity to his football. Being priced at 112, he is a no brainer IMO.

And on durability, he played 20 of a possible 22 games last year.

 

[54Dogs]

I just think it's crazy to overlook him when he has had an injury free pre season. If you look at his scores from round 8 he averaged 125.78 (Ignoring the Swans game where he got 23). And that was in GC's first year. How good could that be when the young Suns players have another year of development in them.

This is what he is capable of when he gets some continuity to his football. Being priced at 112, he is a no brainer IMO.

And on durability, he played 20 of a possible 22 games last year.

Missing 2 or more games is high for the top end premiums and he does this pretty much every year. Take out Selwoods suspension last year and every one of the top 14 mids played 20+ games. Ablett has only played 4 more games than Chapman in the past 4 seasons.


If you factor in the he will miss 2 games per year and that your sub score 65-70 you lose 100 points for the season, hence knocking 5 ppg off his average compared to someone like Murphy / Gibbs / Boyd who are likely to play 22. Averages aren't everything, you need your super premiums on the park

 

[longytap]

Missing 2 or more games is high for the top end premiums and he does this pretty much every year. Take out Selwoods suspension last year and every one of the top 14 mids played 20+ games. Ablett has only played 4 more games than Chapman in the past 4 seasons.


If you factor in the he will miss 2 games per year and that your sub score 65-70 you lose 100 points for the season, hence knocking 5 ppg off his average compared to someone like Murphy / Gibbs / Boyd who are likely to play 22. Averages aren't everything, you need your super premiums on the park

Im having a similar dilemma regarding the selection of Goodes from the get go. History tells me he'll play 22, but on the flip side he's noted for his slow starts which means i could potentially pick him up cheaper down the track. But at the end of the day you know he'll be in the top few FWD's on total points come end of season. So his fluctuating form/price is kinda irrelevent?

Keen to hear your view on this Dogs?

 

[Artax]

I am taking Goodes from the get go. Normally starts slow but only by his standards as he is such a strong finisher. I am taking him for 2 reasons, DPP link from the start and the fact Sydney have a decent draw to kick off 2012.

 

[54Dogs]

Im having a similar dilemma regarding the selection of Goodes from the get go. History tells me he'll play 22, but on the flip side he's noted for his slow starts which means i could potentially pick him up cheaper down the track. But at the end of the day you know he'll be in the top few FWD's on total points come end of season. So his fluctuating form/price is kinda irrelevent?

Keen to hear your view on this Dogs?

Goodes is fully priced and 32 so hard to see much upside. That said, he's an athletic freak of nature and really hasn't even has a niggle to speak of over the last 2 years.

Will be interesting to see how the Swans structure up in the Nab Cup with Walsh, Reid and Morton in the mix plus either White or LRT as the backup ruckman come forward. Goodes rotated heavily fwd and mid last year and hard to see any extra mid time at his age with Hanneberry / Parker / Williams coming through.

Personally I wouldn't go there with the age / price combination but certainly wouldn't dismiss him as a terrible pick

 

[Artax]

Pretty good points. I am all around struggling with what kind of midfield structure to go for so far with Ablett, Thompson, Selwood, Goodes, Barlow & Hayes. Could easily move Hayes and Goodes out for Pendles and a rookie but do see a lot of upside to keeping them.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Dream Team Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by NT.Thunder. Salary cap left: $25,500.

Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Paul Duffield, Marty Clarke, Paul Bower, Sam Docherty
Tim Mohr, Lee Spurr

Dane Swan, Gary Ablett jnr, Scott Thompson, Michael Barlow, Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel
Stephen Coniglio, James McDonald

Aaron Sandilands, Hamish McIntosh
Jonathan Giles, Orren Stephenson

Paul Chapman, Lance Franklin, Dayne Beams, Nick Riewoldt, Alan Didak, Jason Porplyzia, Billie Smedts
Adam Treloar, Ahmed Saad

Well, here's a team I put together in 5 mins before i go and blow all my money at the races and get shit faced......Back to the team....Any advice from the guru's?

Duffield I'll watch pre-season and see what role he takes, may be able to make up a few extra points under a new coach. Bower may be worth a punt if injuries to some Carlton backs keep him in the side.

Swan, Ablett and Thompson are genuine captain choices and the draw ST has is too hard for me to ignore for now. With an improving Adl he scould end up a top 5 mid.

Pretty stock standard team few concerns with Dids and Porps but still time to tinker.

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[swanton]

Been working on this team over the past couple od days
Any suggestions/advise

TEAM NAME: swanton

DEF: B. Goddard, H. Scotland, C. Enright, H. Shaw, B. Waters, M. Clarke, B. Ellis (S. Darley, L. Brown)

MID: D. Swan, G. Ablett jnr, J. Caddy, S. Coniglio, S. Clifton, K. Horsely (D. Shiel, A. Treloar)

RUC: B. McEvoy, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)

FWD: S. Johnson, L. Franklin, A. Goodes, T. Cloke, D. Martin, J. Porplyzia, T. Walsh (D. Zorko, S. Rowe)

CASH LEFT: $4,200

Dont really like the rookies that much in the backs and forwards, so have stacked them with premiums, saw alot of value pick in the mids so went more rookies there.

Overall gone with a durable team, with the exception being propz and waters, but i see them as a goods rewards picks if they manage to stay fit. Not too many DPP at the moment, but that will obiously change

 

[Wheedus]

Duffield I'll watch pre-season and see what role he takes, may be able to make up a few extra points under a new coach.​

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I'm a big fan of Duffman. He's super durable and can crack 100 on a regular basis. 2011 was tough to watch, particularly seeing him dropped late in the season - that was a bitter pill. Hopefully he gets a nice DT ****ty role under Lyon and returns to his glory days.

 

[Latro]

I'm a big fan of Duffman. He's super durable and can crack 100 on a regular basis. 2011 was tough to watch, particularly seeing him dropped late in the season - that was a bitter pill. Hopefully he gets a nice DT ****ty role under Lyon and returns to his glory days.

As a Freo fan I hope he is not in the team at all.

 

[Keystone agony]

I picked him in my intial team, the first team i did. Than read the freo board and took him out. Just about every freo fan wanted him to be forced out of the side. That worried me a bit. I also see others as better options near his price.

 

[Keystone agony]

Dream Team Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by NT.Thunder. Salary cap left: $25,500.

Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Paul Duffield, Marty Clarke, Paul Bower, Sam Docherty
Tim Mohr, Lee Spurr

Dane Swan, Gary Ablett jnr, Scott Thompson, Michael Barlow, Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel
Stephen Coniglio, James McDonald

Aaron Sandilands, Hamish McIntosh
Jonathan Giles, Orren Stephenson

Paul Chapman, Lance Franklin, Dayne Beams, Nick Riewoldt, Alan Didak, Jason Porplyzia, Billie Smedts
Adam Treloar, Ahmed Saad

Well, here's a team I put together in 5 mins before i go and blow all my money at the races and get shit faced......Back to the team....Any advice from the guru's?

Duffield I'll watch pre-season and see what role he takes, may be able to make up a few extra points under a new coach. Bower may be worth a punt if injuries to some Carlton backs keep him in the side.

Swan, Ablett and Thompson are genuine captain choices and the draw ST has is too hard for me to ignore for now. With an improving Adl he scould end up a top 5 mid.

Pretty stock standard team few concerns with Dids and Porps but still time to tinker.

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Some interesting picks NTT

Enright? With the lack of value after Lids and BJ in the top end premiums, i guess you know what your gonna get from Enright and hes gonna be durable.

Bower? best 22?

Docherty injuries/preseason?

Coniglio paying top dollar for a rookie, who has major injury worries already

Hmac best 21? injuries?

Beams best 22 for a player at that price? buckleys love child apparently, midfield time?

Didak

It seems ST could become a popular pick.