List Mgmt. 2013 Draft Discussion

[Igloo]

For most of the year it was a clear Whitfield, Toumpas and then...far out I don't remember, someone help me out.

Grundy was always expected to go top 3. GWS dun goofed.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Grundy was always expected to go top 3. GWS dun goofed.

That's the one. Thanks.

 

[VitalDread]

Joel Tippett anyone?
had a great year playing in defence and results at the combine are amazing.

Running Vertical Jump
Joel Tippett - 95cm
Standing Vertical Jump
Joel Tippett - 79cm
20m Sprint
Joel Tippett / Liam Jacka - 2.92 secs
Agility
Joel Tippett - 8.00 secs
30m Repeat Sprints
Joel Tippett - 25.01 secs

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

He's an athlete, not a footballer. Has been delisted from two clubs without playing a game, getting upgraded or even getting close to selection. Pass.

 

[dogwatch]

General question for anyone who can answer it:

Is the draft not as deep all the way down to pick 100 or are people just saying it's not as deep because it falls away in elite talent after about the top 5?

Normally you expect some top quality kids all the way down to about pick 20 (like Grundy and Hrovat last year).

What I'm getting at is the depth from pick 20-100 may in fact be much the same as most years. In fact, this makes a lot of logical sense in terms of bell curves, etc. This was even true of the notoriously "shallow" draft in 2003 (when Cooney was picked #1).

If so, then perhaps a pick in the 20s or 30s is no worse than any other year. It's just the pick in range 8-20 that has depreciated this year and we aren't in that range anyway. While many fail to make the grade we do know that there are good prospects to be found every year in the range 20-60. You just have to be astute/lucky enough to find them (eg Talia, Hrovat, Jones, Roughead in recent years and that's just us - players like Gunston went at #29, Dane Swan went late 50s!).

For instance we could be looking at players like Jono Marsh, Brown, Jake K, and numerous other "smokies" mentioned in these draft pages. They won't all fit in the top 20.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

The draft in recent years has been shaped like a curve, steadily depreciating with a few sharper drops as you'd expect. This year the talent pool steadily declines and then falls off a cliff after 25ish. If you've got a pick in the top 25 I'd say you're quite likely to get a good player who'll step up but past that it's chook lotto. People's top 25s are relatively similar but past that you'll find that it's all over the shop. There's a few players I like here and there but it's definitely not as strong from 20-100 as it was last year from my perspective.

I think a lot more mature agers will get a go this year than in previous years, because of both a rise in popularity of taking those kinds of players and a shallow pool of U18s.

 

[igloo dweller]

Hi draft watchers.

Is Darcy Gardiner a genuine KPD? Seems a likely type.
Is a defense with Talia (I really rate his abilities) and him manning the key posts too undersized (vs. rough head/hale & tippett/franklin).

If so, it'd allow Jordan Roughhead to swing, and once Minson grinds out, play a ruck / genuine forward (as opposed to what minno does).

 

[Reptilia]

I liked Plowman but not as much as others. I had him outside the top ten (13th or 14th I think?) on my ratings but expected him to go top ten. Top three I never would've guessed and I still think it was a dumb selection for GWS.

I think there was a bit of talk about them taking Stringer or Menzel for a little while but it obviously didn't amount to anything. I can't speak for them. Stringer could've gone #1 if he wasn't injured but he was a risk. Who knows where he would've gone if we didn't take him - but I'm glad we did.

For most of the year it was a clear Whitfield, Toumpas and then...far out I don't remember, someone help me out.
Macrae was a late bolter. Stringer could've gone anywhere.



I'm very happy we took him and think we look a better side with him in it, but I still don't think he'll become a top 20 player in the competition like a lot of supporters seem to. He'll be a very solid player but I still disagree that he'll be elite. He has an uncanny ability to find space where there is none and that's why I perceived him as a low risk player, but he isn't especially exceptional in any other area. He's also very one-sided and until I see that change it's unlikely I'll change my mind.

I agree with everything you have said about mcrae.. But from what I've heard through reports and bigfooty etc he seems like a smart kid who would work on his deficiencies and be able to get better in those areas.. If he does that then I think he can be a fantastic player.

 

[timtamWB]

He's an athlete, not a footballer. Has been delisted from two clubs without playing a game, getting upgraded or even getting close to selection. Pass.

He actually got 2 games for Gold Coast, but they were more token games. Either way you're right about him not being a footballer, he has no place at AFL level.

 

[TheMcGrathMan]

The Dogs have told young Werribee ruckman, Ben Brown, of their intentions to draft him this year (words were "if no one else picks you first, you will be a Dog in 2014"). Not sure of the Dogs plans on when they will draft him - as a guy who will be 20-21 (92 or 93 born) when drafted, and is still pretty lanky, I think he will be a late pick with the intention of a couple of development years.

The good - motivated, hardworking, grounded, nice family, tall, athletic, good footy brain, nice skills for a ruckman

The negatives - skinny, top aged, may not improve in a quick enough time frame (Jones, Grant, Campbell, Cordy all have a couple of years on him)

Personally, I would love to get this guy at North in the 70-80's or a rookie pick. The Dogs did not signal their exact intentions of when they would like to get him, but I don't imagine it would be earlier. If it is, best of luck to him, he deserves it as a reward. Doubt many kids have worked harder than him to get to this stage of his career.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Fantastic news. Thanks for the heads up mate.

 

[Testekill]

The Dogs have told young Werribee ruckman, Ben Brown, of their intentions to draft him this year (words were "if no one else picks you first, you will be a Dog in 2014"). Not sure of the Dogs plans on when they will draft him - as a guy who will be 20-21 (92 or 93 born) when drafted, and is still pretty lanky, I think he will be a late pick with the intention of a couple of development years.

The good - motivated, hardworking, grounded, nice family, tall, athletic, good footy brain, nice skills for a ruckman

The negatives - skinny, top aged, may not improve in a quick enough time frame (Jones, Grant, Campbell, Cordy all have a couple of years on him)

Personally, I would love to get this guy at North in the 70-80's or a rookie pick. The Dogs did not signal their exact intentions of when they would like to get him, but I don't imagine it would be earlier. If it is, best of luck to him, he deserves it as a reward. Doubt many kids have worked harder than him to get to this stage of his career.

Considering how the draft is a little on the shallow side, I could see us picking him up with a third or fourth rounder.

 

[King Harold]

The Dogs have told young Werribee ruckman, Ben Brown, of their intentions to draft him this year (words were "if no one else picks you first, you will be a Dog in 2014"). Not sure of the Dogs plans on when they will draft him - as a guy who will be 20-21 (92 or 93 born) when drafted, and is still pretty lanky, I think he will be a late pick with the intention of a couple of development years.

The good - motivated, hardworking, grounded, nice family, tall, athletic, good footy brain, nice skills for a ruckman

The negatives - skinny, top aged, may not improve in a quick enough time frame (Jones, Grant, Campbell, Cordy all have a couple of years on him)

Personally, I would love to get this guy at North in the 70-80's or a rookie pick. The Dogs did not signal their exact intentions of when they would like to get him, but I don't imagine it would be earlier. If it is, best of luck to him, he deserves it as a reward. Doubt many kids have worked harder than him to get to this stage of his career.

Thanks for the info, I will be surprised if he lasted to 70 . His draft camp was fantastic for a big bloke.
Only saw him in one game v Willy ,and he was outstanding.
What was his form like for the year ?

 

[Tibes]

I'd be quite happy to pick him up, saw a little bit of him through the Foxtel Cup and the VFL and he looked pretty good, and seemed to do well at the the combine.

 

[Kelvin31]

I'd be quite happy to pick him up, saw a little bit of him through the Foxtel Cup and the VFL and he looked pretty good, and seemed to do well at the the combine.

Here's Ben Browns two top 10 placings from the Combine;

Running vertical jump (right leg), Relative (cm)
1. Kade Kolodjashnij (97cm)
2. Brady Grey (92cm)
3. Jason Holmes (88cm)
4. Jake Kolodjashnij (85cm)
5. Jarman Impey (84cm)
6. Fraser Thurlow (83cm)
7. Nathan Drummond (83cm)
8. Ben Brown (82cm)
9. Loius Herbert (81cm)
10. Josh Kelly (80cm)


Agility
1. Zac Webster (7.97 seconds)
2. Daniel Flynn (8.08)
3. Richard Bourne (8.15)
4. Darcy Byrne-Jones (8.15)
5. Karl Amon (8.18)
6. Dylan Main (8.25)
7. Daniel Cox (8.26)
8. Dayle Garlett (8.29)
9. Ben Brown (8.29)
10.Tom Barrass (8.32)

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[Chris Grant]

^ To add to that

20m sprint time - 3.05
Beep test - 13.9
3km time trial - 10:40

Would happily use a 3rd or 4th rounder on him.

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

Am I the only one reminded of Ayce, when watching Ben Brown play?

 

[fronkalicious]

Am I the only one reminded of Ayce, when watching Ben Brown play?

Nope. I don't see the need for him at all. Fine if he was a genuine ruckman, but another skinny, beanpole quasi ruck/forward is waaaaaay down my list of priorities.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

apparently 100 kgs already

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

apparently 100 kgs already

I'd take the combine numbers with an ocean of salt.

 

[Reptilia]

This is such an interesting draft.. you hear some people say that the top 4 is better than the rest.. then others like knightmare who say top 2 is good then there is a gap after that from 3-20 being almost a lottery.

 

[timtamWB]

I'd take the combine numbers with an ocean of salt.

I'm not sure if you quite understand that saying

 

[King Harold]

Nope. I don't see the need for him at all. Fine if he was a genuine ruckman, but another skinny, beanpole quasi ruck/forward is waaaaaay down my list of priorities.

Nothing like Cordy , quicker and very athletic.
I know I only saw him play once , but you get the feeling a couple of years in the AFL system with more muscle and he is a good chance.

 

[Easty]

This was even true of the notoriously "shallow" draft in 2003 (when Cooney was picked #1).

Geez, just have a look at the trade week for that year. I can just imagine the meltdowns that would've occurred here if we did now what we did then!

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Nope. I don't see the need for him at all. Fine if he was a genuine ruckman, but another skinny, beanpole quasi ruck/forward is waaaaaay down my list of priorities.

Fronk what happens if Cordy doesn't make it and Minson loses his strength and falls off a cliff (both pretty clear possibilities)? Campbell will play first ruck, but then Jones is likely first to be his chop out, which isn't ideal at all. Brown would give us something really unique up forward as well as a potent second ruck option. The KPP depth is light and if we pick up Darley as has been rumoured, then use 4 and 22 (if still there; if not 38) on some outside talent we're pretty set. A developing ruck/forward is probably third on my needs list, behind some outside pace and a third tall defender.