List Mgmt. 2013 Trade / Draft / Free Agency

[Half Back Pocket]

So I see Damien Barratt has been reading BigFooty for his Rumours again!!

what'd he say S?

 

[Half Back Pocket]

I'd previously wondered about him. Didn't see the point to be honest. Is he better than Farren Ray? Dean Polo? Maybe a little but what's the point?

his disposal is certainly better.
He is an outside mid. He would be joining a struggling midfield. He may find the going a bit tough without blokes like Mitchell, Sewell & Lewis burrowing out the ball to him on the outside

 

[felsty]

I'd previously wondered about him. Didn't see the point to be honest. Is he better than Farren Ray? Dean Polo? Maybe a little but what's the point?

Surely joking? Was regularly hitting up high 20-low 30 possessions at a young age in a strong midfield.. Above average skills and a great user of the ball. As a said before not just a bit player, had the highest possies in 08 grand final from memory and would add a fair bit of polish that we are currently lacking

 

[joop]

slightly random but can anyone see us going for Xavier Ellis in the FA period?
Is out of contract, one of Pelchens prodigies, No.3 pick in the same draft as Dale Thomas, just been ruined by injury. I see him as a long term replacement for Joey/Dal and fits the age bracket we are looking at..
31 disposals and 2 goals in the VFL on the weekend would suggest he is getting back to his best
personally I think he would be a very good get, lets not forget he did a Hannebery in 08 almost snatching the Norm Smith...

Always injured.

31 disposals and 2 goals in the vfl does not equate to him suggesting he's getting back to his best, 31 disposals and a couple of goals over a few weeks in the AFL and we can suggest something.

 

[The Enemy Within]

Ledger + 1, 3rd round draft pick for Brown.

 

[L_W_P]

I'd be all over Ellis.

He wasn't even in my thinking until his name was brought up here but the more I think about it, the more sense it makes as we need help in the middle immediately and, despite being an outside player, he can win his fair share of the ball. I'd equate him to Dal actually. Obviously not quite as good, but near enough based on this season.

Man... if someone comes calling for Dal and we get a 2nd rounder (top 25 pick) as compo or a decent trade (Griffiths/Brown/Hansen and a pick) then grab Ellis through FA...

Go for it Pelch!

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

We need KPs, but draft them now from the kids, not ready made ones.

The reality is that Roo and others in their gen won't see us climb back up. We need to set up the next line rather than worry about the immediate.

Agreed but we need at least one now and one for the future so Brown from WCE would be one, a State League FB would be another and then yes draft a kid who can develop....

 

[felsty]

Always injured.

31 disposals and 2 goals in the vfl does not equate to him suggesting he's getting back to his best, 31 disposals and a couple of goals over a few weeks in the AFL and we can suggest something.

I would agree with that.. Maybe I am being a bit hasty but to me he seems a logical player to target.. Our ball movement forward of centre has been atrocious and he would bring a touch of class and quality possession to our side, is the right age, can play the game, and Watters has already singled out the need for more midfield depth. I think it's logical, so long as we can get his body right..

 

[The Punter]

Ellis would be good if we don't pay ($$$) overs.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Ledger + 1, 3rd round draft pick for Brown.

Yeah, I reckon.

 

[felsty]

Ellis would be good if we don't pay ($$$) overs.

Wouldn't think you would need to pay overs for him considering he is an unrestricted FA. Would need to entice him across and away from Hawks though, which if I was him I certainly wouldn't do - not yet anyway

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I would agree with that.. Maybe I am being a bit hasty but to me he seems a logical player to target.. Our ball movement forward of centre has been atrocious and he would bring a touch of class and quality possession to our side, is the right age, can play the game, and Watters has already singled out the need for more midfield depth. I think it's logical, so long as we can get his body right..

He not a huge gatherer of the ball, 28 disposals in the grand final is as good as it gets, and he still has plenty of games with 10 disposals. Not a big body, so any contests outside the pack could be hard won.

Ellis Weighs doesn't weigh much more than Jack Newnes ( and at the moment our team is loaded with smaller bodied players ).
He gets about as much of the ball as Jack Newnes does.
jack gets nearly as much contested ball as Ellis.
With his injury history why do we want a guy who will probably be retiring in 3 or 4 years.

 

[felsty]

He not a huge gatherer of the ball, 28 disposals in the grand final is as good as it gets, and he still has plenty of games with 10 disposals. Not a big body, so any contests outside the pack could be hard won.

Ellis Weighs doesn't weigh much more than Jack Newnes ( and at the moment our team is loaded with smaller bodied players ).
He gets about as much of the ball as Jack Newnes does.
jack gets nearly as much contested ball as Ellis.
With his injury history why do we want a guy who will probably be retiring in 3 or 4 years.

As I stated before, it would all come down to how his body is etc. I just think with the unrestricted free agents available that he is one of those players at the top of the list who ticks a lot of boxes we are looking for in an afl player.
I think he could be worthwhile, not as an out and out gun, but if he was picking up 20 odd possessions a game and feeding our forwards it would go a long way to giving us the clean skills needed to win games of football. No doubt that sort of quality will come in time with a young side, but Xav is still young enough and experienced enough to benefit our list.

 

[Barrels]

Bugger Ellis, has a body made of tissue paper, it would be Xavier Clarke Mark II.

If we're looking at realistic unrestricted free agents (i.e not Sam Mitchell or Jobe Watson), why not Port's Tom Logan? Only 28 next month, strong-bodied at 183cm and 85kg, and can play forward and on-ball, although primarily a back pocket. Could be handy to put a bit of grit and bulk in alongside the kids, and to release Nat Wright further up the ground.

 

[hayes]

Ellis can't even get out on the field. High risk for a reward lower than low.

Next.

 

[hayes]

Bugger Ellis, has a body made of tissue paper, it would be Xavier Clarke Mark II.

If we're looking at realistic unrestricted free agents (i.e not Sam Mitchell or Jobe Watson), why not Port's Tom Logan? Only 28 next month, strong-bodied at 183cm and 85kg, and can play forward and on-ball, although primarily a back pocket. Could be handy to put a bit of grit and bulk in alongside the kids, and to release Nat Wright further up the ground.

I don't think you can put the word "only" before 28.

 

[Sunshine Saint]

Bugger Ellis, has a body made of tissue paper, it would be Xavier Clarke Mark II.

If we're looking at realistic unrestricted free agents (i.e not Sam Mitchell or Jobe Watson), why not Port's Tom Logan? Only 28 next month, strong-bodied at 183cm and 85kg, and can play forward and on-ball, although primarily a back pocket. Could be handy to put a bit of grit and bulk in alongside the kids, and to release Nat Wright further up the ground.

Dont we need to lower our eyes on ages. Hasn't Watters recently said that recruits will be no more than 25 or 26, so you would think he is looking for 18-19 yr olds and also 22-24 year olds. Older players no longer fit where we are, or help with our medium to long term requirements.

 

[The Punter]

If he's looking for players younger than 26, he's not looking for free agents unless they are delisted by their clubs (like Roberton).

 

[The Enemy Within]

Dont we need to lower our eyes on ages. Hasn't Watters recently said that recruits will be no more than 25 or 26, so you would think he is looking for 18-19 yr olds and also 22-24 year olds. Older players no longer fit where we are, or help with our medium to long term requirements.

If that is the case, it would be hard to recruit a FA as most of them fall into the 26+ age groups.You will not recruit a 24y FA.

 

[The Enemy Within]

Tom Logan, NOOOOO

 

[Sunshine Saint]

If that is the case, it would be hard to recruit a FA as most of them fall into the 26+ age groups.You will not recruit a 24y FA.

For an unrestricted ten year veteran, that is true. For a restricted Free Agent, they could fall within the age range Watters is quoting as wanting.

For where we are and the future ahead, you would have to think that anyone new coming to the club above 26 would be too old.

 

[Barrels]

Tom Logan, NOOOOO

WHHHYYYY?

 

[goodie23]

For an unrestricted ten year veteran, that is true. For a restricted Free Agent, they could fall within the age range Watters is quoting as wanting.

For where we are and the future ahead, you would have to think that anyone new coming to the club above 26 would be too old.

There's also a third category. Restricted free agents have played eight years and are in the top 25% highest paid players at a club, if they're in the other 75% they're unrestricted.

 

[GrandBlue]

Frawley will cost too much for what he is; another undersized KPD. He might have great abilities, but no one has the ability to grow 10cm to match the likes of Patton, Daniher, et al.

Scarlett slaughtered Buddy on a number of occasions despite being about 4+cm shorter and worse athletically in just about every area.

Good Full-Backs don't need to be 195-200cm, they just need be able to read the play well and have good pace off the mark. Dale Morris was one of the best stoppers over the last 5 years (still is) & he's only 190cm!

 

[Barrels]

I don't think you can put the word "only" before 28.

You can when you're over 30...