List Mgmt. 2013 Trading & Free Agency

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Interesting that since GWS have lobbed in their back yard they've suddenly hauled in two high profile recruits in two years. Certainly playing hard ball. Not giving up their market share easily.

 

[Paladin]

Worst part is Swans CEO Andrew Ireland on AFL 360 hinted that a fair proportion ofbuddy's deal would be 3rd party inducements on top of his salary...how can this be??

How can they guarantee these payments when the club cannot be involved in any part of setting these up. We got done for this with Tippett. Surely the player would have to sign before this could be organized.

 

[Mattrox]

Interesting that since GWS have lobbed in their back yard they've suddenly hauled in two high profile recruits in two years. Certainly playing hard ball. Not giving up their market share easily.

How does this fit into your theory of "good clubs don't lose players"?

 

[LiquidCrow]

How can they guarantee these payments when the club cannot be involved in any part of setting these up. We got done for this with Tippett. Surely the player would have to sign before this could be organized.

If this is indeed the case, Swans ought to get penalised at least as much as we did. Don't see this happening, though.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Worst part is Swans CEO Andrew Ireland on AFL 360 hinted that a fair proportion of Buddy's deal would be 3rd party inducements on top of his salary...how can this be??

I thought companies have to approach clubs - not the other way around to be legal 3rd party agreement.

How could companies approach the Swans with Buddy if they didn't know he was going to be at the club.

Surely AFC needs to investigate this as sounds dodgy!

 

[King Elvis]

There are other factors at play

Buddy has his own clothing label and wants to break into the Sydney market so this was as much of as business decision then it was a football decision

We just can't compete with these other decision drivers

Don't believe it - Nena & Pasadena is already massive, going from strength to strength, and going international. The Hawks are equally as responsible for establishing and launching N&P as Franklin himself is.

The anonymity would appeal to him - he's a peacock on the field, but he's a quiet bloke in real life.


Either way, the AFL is ****ed and contrived.

Sydney being giving freebies to insure they play finals every year, and using it to rape other Clubs.

Melbourne being given millions of dollars a year to land a gun coach because they've stuffed everything else up themselves.

It's total bullshit.

 

[Elite Crow]

Yep the AFL is ****ed

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Our esteemed CEO on the AFL looking into the COLA etc

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2013-10-01/crows-welcome-afl-allowances-review

I like that Triggy has come out - but he didn't say much.

Would like him to say more about how he thinks the COLA should work & how it is currently unfair/being abused ... ie. like Eddie.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How does this fit into your theory of "good clubs don't lose players"?

1. Sydney are a good club.
2. Hawthorn (and Geelong with Ablett) managed two flags before their gun set sail. We didn't quite cash in quite so heavily with Gunston.

Ok... you got me. AFTER good clubs have piles and piles of success and are so brimming with gun players that they cannot possibly keep all of them, then yeah... they might lose a player

 

[Southerntakeover]

1. Sydney are a good club.
2. Hawthorn (and Geelong with Ablett) managed two flags before their gun set sail. We didn't quite cash in quite so heavily with Gunston.

Ok... you got me. AFTER good clubs have piles and piles of success and are so brimming with gun players that they cannot possibly keep all of them, then yeah... they might lose a player

Now you're simply suggesting that good clubs have on field success, rather than anything to do with player retention.

 

[Sanders]

How does this fit into your theory of "good clubs don't lose players"?

He's a free agent
That's not losing a player in the same way

Now we have GWS added to the mix of clubs with cash to spend. I wonder how many of those free agents who signed mid year are feeling

Is that Daisy & Eddie doing the happy dance together?

More money than FA players to take it = big (over) pay days

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Now you're simply suggesting that good clubs have on field success, rather than anything to do with player retention.

Good clubs keep the players they need to in order to have on field success

 

[azza77]

I fail to see where the value of Howard is so high for posters here. I checked his games last year and could find one game where he was in the best in the VFL. He played one game in the Bulldogs team for 7 disposals. On top of this he injured his hamstring in the last minor round game and did not play in the finals. Howard may have shown promise early in his u/18 days but has not progressed. Would only be a Rookie pick at best.I would wait for him to be delisted certainly not trade for Henderson.

Haha i do hope you realise Im of the same opinion in that I would be ropbale if we traded Henderson for either howard or a 3rd rounder. You've summed it up perfectly in what you said above. That trade suggestion is shocking haha

Would be asking for a mid to high 2nd rounder for Hendo at least.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Good clubs keep the players they need to in order to have on field success

Geelong's current ability to have on field success has clearly been impacted upon by Ablett's departure, although I accept that they remained strong enough to win a premiership after he left.

I also believe Buddy leaving, particularly to an actual premiership rival, will impact upon the Hawks ability to have success.

Both would then fit the definition of players needed in order to have on field success.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Geelong's current ability to have on field success has clearly been impacted upon by Ablett's departure, although I accept that they remained strong enough to win a premiership after he left.

I also believe Buddy leaving, particularly to an actual premiership rival, will impact upon the Hawks ability to have success.

Both would then fit the definition of players needed in order to have on field success.

Yeah sure, but after two flags who gives a ****

After zero flags I give a ****

 

[Southerntakeover]

Yeah sure, but after two flags who gives a ****

After zero flags I give a ****

Always need to want the next flag.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Always need to want the next flag.

Let's start with winning one before thinking dynasty.

And losing key players will harm us.

Losing Franklin won't take 2008 or 2013 away from them.

If they'd lost Franklin when we'd lost Tippett/Gunston...

 

[Keithie]

Haha i do hope you realise Im of the same opinion in that I would be ropbale if we traded Henderson for either howard or a 3rd rounder. You've summed it up perfectly in what you said above. That trade suggestion is shocking haha

Would be asking for a mid to high 2nd rounder for Hendo at least.

Wellsaid and Agreed its about time adelaide start playing hard at the trade table.

Anyway if hendo is traded i would expect nothing less than a 2nd round pick otherwise a fair trade with decent/equivalent player in return. (maybe someone like pears? who else?)

If we get someone like this howard kid than far out give the dogs mckernan not bloody hendo.

not sure if anyones has posted but Malthouse made it clear on 5AA that mitch robinson will not be traded unless the offer is rory sloane or danger (in other words get lost and laughed it off) so im not sure what the go is there.

now that hawthorn may get mumford (hopefully not pies), can we go for hale or bailey? otherwise geelong is stocked up with rucks, what can we get especially with sando connection to the cats?

 

[GROTTO]

Perhaps he'll request a trade home and end up at West Coast Eagles.

lol. Slow day for me, I read it earlier and it didnt register for me!

 

[Southerntakeover]

Let's start with winning one before thinking dynasty.

And losing key players will harm us.

Losing Franklin won't take 2008 or 2013 away from them.

If they'd lost Franklin when we'd lost Tippett/Gunston...

You're simply saying that good clubs are those that have on field success.

Lets make an equally controversial comment: the sky is blue.

Winning a premiership does not make Hawthorn better at player retention. It may mitigate the importance, but that's actually a separate point to the one previously advanced.

 

[GROTTO]

Worst part is Swans CEO Andrew Ireland on AFL 360 hinted that a fair proportion of Buddy's deal would be 3rd party inducements on top of his salary...how can this be??

Also said that Franklin will not be the highest paid at the Club either for the first few years. I can see Sydney dumping Tippett when his contract is up, so I can assume that Buddy's massive pay day will take place then.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You're simply saying that good clubs are those that have on field success.

Lets make an equally controversial comment: the sky is blue.

Winning a premiership does not make Hawthorn better at player retention. It may mitigate the importance, but that's actually a separate point to the one previously advanced.

Are you being disingenuous here?

Hawthorn's path to multiple premiership success has included retention of all their key players. Despite overtures, despite the start up clubs.

In the same period we've lost key players. Would our list be much worse than Hawthorn's if we had Davis, Bock, Tippett and Gunston all running around still? I think we'd stack up well. As it is we don't.

 

[FR0GGY]

I like that Triggy has come out - but he didn't say much.

Wait, what, when did this happen?

 

[Southerntakeover]

Are you being disingenuous here?

Hawthorn's path to multiple premiership success has included retention of all their key players. Despite overtures, despite the start up clubs.

In the same period we've lost key players. Would our list be much worse than Hawthorn's if we had Davis, Bock, Tippett and Gunston all running around still? I think we'd stack up well. As it is we don't.

I could ask the same question.

Hawthorn do not cease to operate in a 'win premierships' model simply because they have won the premiership.

Unless you're making the assertion that Hawthorn did not want to retain Franklin, or that he is of little to no value towards their future premiership tilts, you have to acknowledge him as an example of them failing to retain a player to their detriment.

That they've had success with Franklin to date is actually largely irrelevant towards whether they successfully retained him or not.

 

[GROTTO]

Why did we let the Hawks screw us with Gunston? Why?