List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[God Save Max King]

My boy!

Will claim Tucker as well, love what he is capable of doing, just such a classy player.

PSD is overused.

Who even uses it anymore? the crap about them leaving GWS is also just desperate hope from opposition supporters who want a decent key forward. I'd put money on none of them leaving.

Without the PSD, we never would have gotten Billy Longer for 25. It's power is unseen to many, but there's a great use for it in the league.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Will claim Tucker as well, love what he is capable of doing, just such a classy player.

Without the PSD, we never would have gotten Billy Longer for 25. It's power is unseen to many, but there's a great use for it in the league.

So you have all the information that was happening between St Kilda and Brisbane to know we used the PSD threat?

Considering Melbourne had a pick before us, have $$ and need a decent ruckman they would have taken him in a heartbeat anyway.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

PSD is overused.

Who even uses it anymore? the crap about them leaving GWS is also just desperate hope from opposition supporters who want a decent key forward. I'd put money on none of them leaving.

really? They can't play Boyd, Patton, Cameron, McCarthy, Mumford/Giles/Phillips/Lobb, Stewart, Jaksch & Tomlinson in the same team, can they?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

really? They can't play Boyd, Patton, Cameron, McCarthy, Mumford/Giles/Phillips/Lobb, Stewart, Jaksch & Tomlinson in the same team, can they?

Soon they'll work with this;
FF: Patton
CHF: Cameron
FWD/RUCK: Boyd
RUCK: Mumford

Jaksch, McCarthy, Stewart are all playing in the back line according to GWS supporters while Adam Tomlinson is playing in the midfield as a tall midfielder.

If we do somehow get Cameron, Boyd or Patton well then wow to the recruiters! But plenty of clubs will be eyeing them off who would look more attractive than us IMO.

 

[Mowman]

So the chances of this happening are very slim..

But say we don't rate McCartin or Wright so we draft Petracca for example, if Mitch Clark is in the right head space and ready to return to the AFL we could potentially get him while also getting an out of contract Griffiths get him for biscuits.

Head into 2015 with Riewoldt, Clark, White, Stanley, Griffiths and at the end of 2015 draft the best tall (we'll be bottom again IMO) assuming he is better then this years or even draft the best tall while flogging an out of contract Boyd, Cameron or Patton. I'm not convinced GWS will trade one of them this year.

Nnnoooooooooooooooo We don't want Clark, Griffiths, Or Stanley next year on the list

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Will claim Tucker as well, love what he is capable of doing, just such a classy player.

Without the PSD, we never would have gotten Billy Longer for 25. It's power is unseen to many, but there's a great use for it in the league.

And what has Billy Longer done for us this year? How many marks has he taken around the ground in 9 matches.....3? Please don't overrate players because they wear our jumper.

 

[Barrels]

2014 UNDER-18 ALL AUSTRALIAN TEAM

DEFENDERS: Harrison Wigg (South Australia), Ed Vickers-Willis (Vic Metro), Josh McGuinness (Tasmania), Darcy Tucker (Vic Country), Caleb Marchbank (Vic Country), Angus Brayshaw (Vic Metro)

MIDFIELDERS: Paul Ahern (Vic Metro), Christian Petracca (Vic Metro), Billy Stretch (South Australia), Peter Wright (Vic Metro), Isaac Heeney (NSW/ACT), Jake Johansen (South Australia)

FORWARDS: Callum Mills (NSW/ACT), Darcy Moore (Vic Metro), Rhys Mathieson (Vic Country), Jayden Laverde (Vic Metro), Patrick McCartin (Vic Country), Caleb Daniel (South Australia)

INTERCHANGE: Jack Steele (NSW/ACT), Darcy Parish (Vic Country), Ben Keays (Queensland), Connor Blakely (Western Australia)

COACH: Jason Saddington (NSW/ACT)

ASSISTANT COACH: Brenton Phillips (South Australia)

On what planet is Angus Brayshaw a defender?!

For that matter, how did Paddy do enough to make the AA team?

 

[God Save Max King]

Soon they'll work with this;
FF: Patton
CHF: Cameron
FWD/RUCK: Boyd
RUCK: Mumford

Jaksch, McCarthy, Stewart are all playing in the back line according to GWS supporters while Adam Tomlinson is playing in the midfield as a tall midfielder.

If we do somehow get Cameron, Boyd or Patton well then wow to the recruiters! But plenty of clubs will be eyeing them off who would look more attractive than us IMO.

In that case, poach their midfielders, not like they aren't stacked in midfield.

And what has Billy Longer done for us this year? How many marks has he taken around the ground in 9 matches.....3? Please don't overrate players because they wear our jumper.

Still, he never would have been here for 25, so we'd either be forced to play Pierce, pick up Hudson (miss out on Weller or Eli), or miss out on Blacres.

So you have all the information that was happening between St Kilda and Brisbane to know we used the PSD threat?

Considering Melbourne had a pick before us, have $$ and need a decent ruckman they would have taken him in a heartbeat anyway.

No, but have a look at the price paid for uncontracted vs contracted players via trade.

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Wow, how did Patty McCartin get into that team? What a joke, missed 3 games, injured in another and underwhelming in the rest of them, yet Jordan DeGoey misses out? Sounds like some man love from Shifter and his mates.

 

[aussierulesrules]

The potentially slightly depressing thing about that U18 AA team is that on first glance at least 8 of them are pretty much "undraftable" this year, due to either being too young (Tucker, Parish, Mathieson), or likely to go to other teams (through the F/S or academy rules- ie Moore, Heeney, Mills, Keays and Stretch), or both and that's before we get to the "short people" in it, who are very good, but bloody tiny and as such less likely to be as dominant at AFL level (eg. Daniel and Johansen). That's almost half the AA team right there and that's just at first glance!

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Nnnoooooooooooooooo We don't want Clark, Griffiths, Or Stanley next year on the list

Is this fair?

Stanley & Pick 20 to Port Adelaide for Pick 17 & 36

 

[BrianSpeaking]

The potentially slightly depressing thing about that U18 AA team is that on first glance at least 8 of them are pretty much "undraftable" this year, due to either being too young, or likely to go to other teams (through the F/S or academy rules- ie Moore, Heeney and Stretch) and that's before we get to the "short people" in it, who are very good, but bloody tiny and as such less likely to be as dominant at AFL level. That's almost half the AA team right there!

Don't be depressed, we have the first or second pick, we get to pick the eyes out of it. If I'm picking first I'm going Wright, Petracca, Brayshaw or LaVerde. There's also two very good players in Miller and DeGoey who didn't make it, would happily snap them up along with Lukas Webb with a later pick.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Don't be depressed, we have the first or second pick, we get to pick the eyes out of it. If I'm picking first I'm going Wright, Petracca, Brayshaw or LaVerde. There's also two very good players in Miller and DeGoey who didn't make it, would happily snap them up along with Lukas Webb with a later pick.

Yeah I'm not too concerned about our first pick, especially now that Petracca is dominating in the midfield and looking like a potentially "proper no.1 pick" and also given that there are a few months yet for the likes of McCartin to really impress, but I was thinking more as far as our picks after that are concerned. How much does it suck that so many of that lot are tied to other clubs through F/S or academies though!

 

[L_W_P]

Engine room is coming through though.
Ross, Dunstan, Curren, Saunders, Newnes, Acres, Weller, Billings, will all get better than they are now.
You can always find a midfielder ie Wines , Martin, Dunstan, who can immediately impact.
Talls can take years, so its important to get one primed and ready.

Remember the Bulldogs pre-Barry Hall. You can be stuck without a full forward.

You mean the team that made 3 prelim finals and only failed to win a flag due to their lack of tall DEFENDERS?

The whole "Dogs needed a key forward' myth is such a load of shit. They were the highest scoring team in the comp with Brad Johnson, Bob Murphy and Mitch Hahn holding the key posts. The issue they had is that Lake could only cover 1 gun by himself. Morris was a handy 3rd tall but he could never handle Kosi, Roughead, Dawes etc on his own while Lake was tied up with the guns.

This is why they were so desperate for Tom Williams to get fit. He was going to be the athletic TALL CHB they needed.

Never any issue with their scoring rate. All about their inability to hold more than 1 KPF quiet during big games. The Media would see Roo kick 4 and say "Geez, if he played for the Dogs they would've won!" without thinking that if they had a half decent second defender (all due respect to Ryan Hargrave) to keep Roo to 2 goals or less, they would've played in Grand Finals.

Fair enough Hall only cost them pick 47 at the end of 2009, but they needed that 2nd defender alot more and should've gone harder for one of Gibson or Staker.

tl;dr - Defence, not lack of offence, cost the Bulldogs.

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Acadamies are just wrong IMO, who is going to go to a GF with GWS and Gold Coast? The AFL have destroyed the game IMO, should have added a team to Tassie where people bleed footy and given clubs a bye each week, the demands on AFL players these days are just ridiculous.

If anybody thinks 130 kilo Samoans in Parramatta are going to transition into AFL players they are kidding them selves plus we have been propping up the Swans since 1981 and they are still getting free hits with the COLA and now academy.

Meanwhile, the Saints are still the Aints and in $6-8 million debt.....

 

[aussierulesrules]

He may be at the top of some wishlists, but he wouldn't have a large gap put on the pack. He was leading the Larke Medal before today. The Saints have outlined the need for skilled midfielders, Petracca's skills aren't to the level of some of the outside mids in this draft, he's an inside brute. Long kick yes, penetrating kick yes, but an elite kick? Probably not.

He'd be considered "elite" overhead though, wouldn't he? He has the added bonus of being dominant up forward, too, which gives him some serious strings to his bow. A bit like a Patty Dangerfield, who early days played forward and kicked ass, but who now kills it in the midfield, while always having it up his sleeve to be able to go forward.

Would Petracca potentially be a slightly shorter, but better kicking version of Nat Fyfe? Or a less polished, but more physically dominant version of Jack Billings?

I know we want height in the forward line ideally and will eventually get it somehow, but if we drafted Petracca and were able to build up a sufficiently strong midfield over the next few years that we were able to keep Billings and Petracca forward, we could still have a very good and dangerous forward line if those two were a major part of it.

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Draft the best player, as long as he is 184cm plus, don't care what position he is. Petracca was enormous throughout the champs, clearly the best player ala Gary Ablett in the AFL, daylight second.

My comparison is Dustin Martin, who is a poor mans Christian Petracca.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Does anyone have Petraccas height/weight? i'd assume 185-188cm/88-90kg?

Draft the best player, as long as he is 184cm plus, don't care what position he is. Petracca was
enormous throughout the champs, clearly the best player ala Gary Ablett in the AFL, daylight second.

My comparison is Dustin Martin, who is a poor mans Christian Petracca.

You seem a changed man today Brian!

 

[God Save Max King]

Acadamies are just wrong IMO, who is going to go to a GF with GWS and Gold Coast? The AFL have destroyed the game IMO, should have sacked a team in Tassie where people bleed footy and given clubs a bye each week, the demands on AFL players these days are just ridiculous.

Disagree Brian, Academies should be in place for the next 10 years with certain limitations. Their main aim is for growth of the game in the northern states, and the AFL is seeing the game grow right before their eyes. NEAFL is improving each year, many more AFL-quality draftees, the concern would be NT. In 10 or so years the Academies shouldn't be needed, but until then, we have to help Gold Coast, GWS and particularly Brisbane. It's the only way the AFL can off-set the go-home factor. As for the demands on AFL players, IMO, if you get paid to do it, you have to be up to it. Agree with the Martin comparison, but Petracca will be more dominant as a forward.

He'd be considered "elite" overhead though, wouldn't he? He has the added bonus of being dominant up forward, too, which gives him some serious strings to his bow. A bit like a Patty Dangerfield, who early days played forward and kicked ass, but who now kills it in the midfield, while always having it up his sleeve to be able to go forward.

Would Petracca potentially be a slightly shorter, but better kicking version of Nat Fyfe? Or a less polished, but more physically dominant version of Jack Billings?

I know we want height in the forward line ideally and will eventually get it somehow, but if we drafted Petracca and were able to build up a sufficiently strong midfield over the next few years that we were able to keep Billings and Petracca forward, we could still have a very good and dangerous forward line if those two were a major part of it.

Absolutely elite, an outstanding contested mark, will be one of the best marking mids in the AFL if he can get fit and transition well. He's made key position players a year older than him look like small defenders, his performance against Geelong last year was just insane for a player of his height. The thing that impresses me most is his aggressiveness, he takes the game on and goes for the win.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Acadamies are just wrong IMO, who is going to go to a GF with GWS and Gold Coast? The AFL have destroyed the game IMO, should have added a team to Tassie where people bleed footy and given clubs a bye each week, the demands on AFL players these days are just ridiculous.

If anybody thinks 130 kilo Samoans in Parramatta are going to transition into AFL players they are kidding them selves plus we have been propping up the Swans since 1981 and they are still getting free hits with the COLA and now academy.

Meanwhile, the Saints are still the Aints and in $6-8 million debt.....

I put forward a suggestion on one of the threads on the Swans Academy on the D&T board the other day where I suggested that every club be able to "bid" on them, like they do now, but that whoever puts in the highest bid gets them for that pick. ie. if Melbourne bid pick 5 on Heeny this year they get the "rights" to him, with pick 5, BUT, that Sydney then get a couple of days where they can negotiate with Melbourne for a trade for him, because he was a part of their academy. Eg. they might offer Melbourne Parker and their first rounder for him, if they really want to keep him in their system.

That way, the clubs that have developed them for years get a really decent crack at being able to keep them in their home state and it encourages them to keep on developing talent in those states, but they don't get them crazy cheaply, as Sydney are looking like they might next year, for instance (if they get Mills and Dunkley for their first and 3nd rounders, when they might have otherwise both gone top 3 or 5).

 

[God Save Max King]

Also, I wouldn't mind drafting this bloke, to team up with Mav.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Does anyone have Petraccas height/weight? i'd assume 185-188cm/88-90kg?

You seem a changed man today Brian!

He was close to 100 and then dropped down 6kg.
That concerns me a bit to be honest.
Maybe its not that hard to dominate when you have 25% more mass than your opponents.

 

[God Save Max King]

186-92, Manimal_Dunstan

 

[L_W_P]

He was close to 100 and then dropped down 6kg.
That concerns me a bit to be honest.
Maybe its not that hard to dominate when you have 25% more mass than your opponents.

Hasn't hurt Ollie Wines...

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I cannot see us picking anyone but one of McCartin or Petracca with pick 1.

It would be nice to have a second first round pick around the 6-15 range to get one of Ellis or De Goey.

I think with a very early second round pick we may find ourselves a steel with someone of the calibre of Laverde or Weller available.

Adding Petracca, Ellis/De Goey and Weller/Laverde to our midfield brigade in one draft would go along way to solving our longterm midfield problems.