List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

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Reckon we should take Wright. Give him a year on the extreme fighting tour ( to strengthen his back) & then let him loose on opposition backline would be like having a mixture of Gehrig & Lockett causing havoc in our forward line all over again.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I just want the Wright2Wright action.

 

[hayes]

Yep true but we have none, zip, zero - IMO.

We have the inside grunt both young and old (well know who they are so not going to post that again)........but we need to complement that with 2 or 3 quick pacy outside mids. We are 3 short currently and we'll probably have to recruit 5 and hope 3 of them become great players!!

Steven, Webster, Wright is a good start. Some maybe's like Murdoch, Saunders are nice too.

I think the priorities need to be:

Ball winning ability
Class/ball use
Speed

Our midfield is a looooong way off, I think we need to get the first two sorted first before moving on to speed. That's easy to find. If we're confident in guys like Dunstan/Ross/Weller then that probably changes things a bit, but no use being quick if you can't find the ball. (Markworth as an example this year)

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Why are everyone so convinced we'll move Wright and/or Webster into the middle?

I see them remaining down back personally.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Why are everyone so convinced we'll move Wright and/or Webster into the middle?

I see them remaining down back personally.

Yes was about to write the same. I don't include them as mids. They are defenders who could probably run thru the midfield if need be...

It is really Steven if we're honest and he is injured this year so a bust currently in that respect. Eli was the other mentioned - injured also! Is it any wonder our ball movement is not as good as it could be?

I'm assuming any outside player we get with speed already has the class/ball use. And yes ball winning ability would be nice that is not our issue currently. Like it was mentioned - Dunstan, Weller, & Curren can all get the ball. Chuck in Armo and we're well and truly covered.

We were thereabouts with Geelong in contested ball if I'm not mistaken. And that has essentially been the case for most of the year due to the players mentioned above. Where we got our pants pulled down was in the uncontested possession which shows our lack of outside run. Richardson has already come out and said we need outside run (along with support for Reiwoldt).

Murdoch is not a speedy mid. Saunders is speedy but currently doesn't affect the game enough and I'm not sure if he will even make it.

So I still stand by my call of some speedy outside players but I'll add with class/ball use. Bonus points for ball winning ability but that will come will time so it is the least important of the three skills you set out

Oh and Stanley I know I am not replying to you but to Hayes but I replied to your post and couldn't be bothered changing it

plus Hayes is a good bloke and won't take it personally

 

[Persevering Saint]

With Lachie Weller, if GC want to force somebody to come to their club, after completely shafting his brother, well good luck with that. They can do the compulsory 2 years development with him, and then he can waltz over to us.

Surely they wouldn't be that stupid.

 

[SANFL]

Has anyone thought of Batley (WWTFC) 188/81. Does 20m in 2.81s. Outside and having a good SANFL season. Injuries are well behind him now and really improved the engine

 

[Sunshine Saint]

Hopefully Pelchen can work a miracle and trade us into the top 10 twice, preferably the top 20 three times like last year. It may even be worth trading like a gilbert or someone along those lines along with pick 1 (likely that we will get it) to get a few more picks. In my opinion, the draft is pretty balanced so I don't think there is a real disadvantage in going slightly lower but to get some more picks.

Welcome Cuzo Great to have you aboard

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

With due respect to all posters, the theory that because the draft is rated as even so we should trade pick 1 is very flawed IMO.

If we end up with pick 1 we have the opportunity for only the 3rd time in the draft's history to have 1st crack at the very best young footballers in the country.

All this talk that Wright is a project is rubbish. Steven Gaertner was a project, Spencer White is a project. Wright will be able to impact senior footy in his first year just as Joe Daniher has.

Unless we are presented with a bloody unbelievable offer, keep pick 1, take the best kid available. If that is Wright, McCartin or whoever I trust Trout to make the right call.

 

[saintsrfreak]

With due respect to all posters, the theory that because the draft is rated as even so we should trade pick 1 is very flawed IMO.

If we end up with pick 1 we have the opportunity for only the 3rd time in the draft's history to have 1st crack at the very best young footballers in the country.

All this talk that Wright is a project is rubbish. Steven Gaertner was a project, Spencer White is a project. Wright will be able to impact senior footy in his first year just as Joe Daniher has.

Unless we are presented with a bloody unbelievable offer, keep pick 1, take the best kid available. If that is Wright, McCartin or whoever I trust Trout to make the right call.

Daniher only played 5 games last year?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Daniher only played 5 games last year?

How did he go in those games? From memory he did pretty well. In his 2nd year he has shown he'll develop into a very good player & has impacted a number of games already.

My point was that Wright is now apparently a project player that could take 3 years before he gets a game & people are using that as justification to trade pick 1 away. Which I disagree with but that only my take on the matter.

 

[Defacto]

How did he go in those games? From memory he did pretty well. In his 2nd year he has shown he'll develop into a very good player & has impacted a number of games already.

My point was that Wright is now apparently a project player that could take 3 years before he gets a game & people are using that as justification to trade pick 1 away. Which I disagree with but that only my take on the matter.

my justification for trading pick 1, was that we'd get a better player than what this draft would deliver

 

[God Save Max King]

my justification for trading pick 1, was that we'd get a better player than what this draft would deliver

That's a possibility, but why would another team trade that player if they felt the same way?

 

[mighty sainters]

Daniher only played 5 games last year?

Yeah, but he was, and still is, lanky as all hell. They had Hille and Ryder (I think Hille was still there) plus Bellchambers who could play up there, and not be pushed off the ball, which is why Daniher only got a few games. Considering our forward stocks, I think Wright or McCartin would do better than what we have at the moment.

 

[mighty sainters]

That's a possibility, but why would another team trade that player if they felt the same way?

They rate players differently. Plus there'd be a bit of a needs basis going on. GWS, for example, have more key forwards than they need, and might be willing to trade one to get the player they do need (Durdin, for example), regardless of how they rate the players individually

 

[God Save Max King]

They rate players differently. Plus there'd be a bit of a needs basis going on. GWS, for example, have more key forwards than they need, and might be willing to trade one to get the player they do need (Durdin, for example), regardless of how they rate the players individually

GWS have close to no needs. Loaded with talent absolutely everywhere.

 

[Defacto]

That's a possibility, but why would another team trade that player if they felt the same way?

player might want to come home. you wont get a better offer than pick 1 ;-)

 

[God Save Max King]

player might want to come home. you wont get a better offer than pick 1 ;-)

Don't think you trade Pick 1, just shouldn't happen for a number of reasons.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

We won't trade pick 1 unless it's some ridiculous offer that we can't reject.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Don't think you trade Pick 1, just shouldn't happen for a number of reasons.

I don't really get this attitude when you look back at all those who have been taken at pick 1 of their drafts. 1 is just a number, not some golden ticket to perfection and bliss.

If they consistently turned out to be the best of their draft crop in hindsight, then sure, I'd agree that you don't trade pick 1 as a rule, but that is very rarely the case and really the only thing that pick 1 does guarantee is a massive amount of scrutiny and "pressure" (and about a 70% chance of having significant knee troubles during your career, as I pointed out in a post recently!) so I don't see why you wouldn't be very open to trading it if a suitable offer came along.

Melbourne and Carlton have had an armful of the last 11 or so no.1 picks and where has it gotten them?

I'm certainly not suggesting that we should trade it for any old offer that comes our way, far from it, but if we did trade it for a suitable offer it wouldn't bother me in the least.

I actually think about the last thing we need right now is to bring someone in with the first pick straight out of school and have him walk into the club and have a huge pile of expectations put onto his shoulders and be put up as our "great white hope" and the "next Riewoldt", as Melbourne apparently did with Jack Watts, for example. Especially if it's someone like Peter Wright who is very unlikely to hit the ground running.

Remember how much media and so-on we had Jack Billings doing as soon as he walked in the door, which I think he may have struggled with (he hardly got a touch in those NAB Cup games around that time, for instance), well you could multiply that a whole lot of times if we didn't learn from that and go we down a similar path with whoever we'd take with pick 1.

That said, about the only thing I'd be prepared to trade it for would be Tom Boyd, or Johnno Patton, who also went pick 1, but at least they have had one and 3 years respectively to get used to it by now and were able to do so out of the limelight up in Western Sydney.

 

[God Save Max King]

ARR I agree with you regarding the attitude to some extent, but one of the major reasons I said a trade for Pick 1 doesn't occur is that teams don't offer players that are worth Pick 1. How often do you see superstars traded for Pick 1? Judd didn't fetch Pick 1, the counter argument will be that there was a clear #1 pick, but there's a clear #1 pick most years.

 

[gringo2011]

I think the law of averages says that the number 1 draft pick is going to be a mega super gun star like riewoldt this year. Melbourne and Carlton just took a hit for us the last decade.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think the law of averages says that the number 1 draft pick is going to be a mega super gun star like riewoldt this year. Melbourne and Carlton just took a hit for us the last decade.

They picked the wrong player first.

 

[goodie23]

We've got an excellent track record with number one picks, I say take that opportunity

 

[aussierulesrules]

Like I said, 1 is just a number and as such I don't personally see it as any more or less tradeable than any other pick in the draft, for the right return. In fact, because of the incredible expectations that are lumped on whoever does go at pick one, if I were to get a suitable trade for it I might even be more inclined to trade it than I would be for any other pick.

As Rahul said though, it's probably not often that you'd get a suitable offer for pick 1 and that's probably a big reason why they don't get traded. GWS being ridiculously overloaded with elite young talent does make this next couple of years a good chance to be an exception to that rule though. If ever a pick 1 is to be traded again, the next two years would be a huge chance to be the time it will happen, especially if a Melbourne based club finishes last.