List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[SaintsSeptember]

I tell you, 5 picks inside 40 will net some awesome talent. We've got 3 picks already, just got to secure the other 2.

Dempster and Schneider for Sydney's second round pick?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Dempster and Schneider for Sydney's second round pick?

that was a great trade for us when it was the other way around!.. especially when you look at who Sydney drafted!

 

[Rors]

On a side note, Dale 'flea' Weightman had type 1 diabetes & managed to be a midfielder, premiership player, club captain, all-australian, 275 games across 16 years & all this during the 1980s... While I know the game has changed since then, so has modern medicine. Pretty sure Pat McCartin will be fine

 

[aussierulesrules]

At the end of the day, unless any of us on here are experts in diabetes and it's effect on those who play elite level sport, we're probably just guessing, speculating and/or hoping as to how it will effect Paddy, but given that our club has already dealt with it in recent years with Cripps, I'd hope that they are very well informed on the topic and even more so now that we'd be a huge chance to get Paddy and that we will consequently make the best call.

I think He'll be very good at the next level, no doubt about that, but I just have major doubts that he'll have a similar tank to Cloke, so if not he'll need to find other ways to excel.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Would he play a role similar to Daniher/Tippet or more predominantly ruck?

I don't see why he wouldn't play a similar role to the similarly sized Tippett and Daniher (or Dixon), but with his huge tank, possibly with more far and wide running, like Roo, or a Tom Lynch, but it will probably depend on who drafts him and what their needs are.

If we draft him, we'll probably play him mostly forward, like Essendon have so far with Daniher, given that we already have Hickey, Longer and Stanley to play ruck and given that Brisbane have Leuenberger, I think if they draft him he plays mostly forward there as well.

On the other hand, GWS may see him as the missing piece of their puzzle in the ruck and may trade a Boyd/Patton for pick 1, so that they can get him and then develop him to replace Mumford in the ruck down the track and then use their other top 5 pick on a Durdin, to play down back, or Petracca.

 

[70s sainter]

I like it. it would be good if mumford was a bit older but only 27 and still in his prime.
Otherwise , like others have suggested on here we could pick up Wright and develop him for one year and then trade him for a ready made gun forward , or keep him and trade longer or Hickey for a true forward. Either way it opens our options right up going forward.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Anyone else think our clubs public declaration of getting 3 picks inside the top 20 for this year as well as last year leaves us open to be bent over in trades for picks? Maybe we'll decide it's just easier to downgrade our 1st pick and go a pick from 4-8 and another inside the 20? I hope they don't do anything stupid just so they can put out a public media releasing along the lines of "See? Another 3 top 20 picks, we're doing everything we said we would." like trade Steven or Armo with a pick swap to get us there.

I would be happy to see us upgrading picks with some of our players, as not many are standalone top 20 picks without some kind of sweetener to the deal, but I just have a bad feeling we'll do some trades for appearances and for the clubs image.

 

[Periphery]

At the end of the day, unless any of us on here are experts in diabetes and it's effect on those who play elite level sport, we're probably just guessing, speculating and/or hoping as to how it will effect Paddy, but given that our club has already dealt with it in recent years with Cripps, I'd hope that they are very well informed on the topic and even more so now that we'd be a huge chance to get Paddy and that we will consequently make the best call.

I think He'll be very good at the next level, no doubt about that, but I just have major doubts that he'll have a similar tank to Cloke, so if not he'll need to find other ways to excel.

The club/recruiters would be pretty derelict in their duties if they didn't get best possible advice on the impact of diabetes in high performance athletes. Knowing our luck we will get him and then a year later it will come out that they didn't know he even had diabetes.

Anyone else think our clubs public declaration of getting 3 picks inside the top 20 for this year as well as last year leaves us open to be bent over in trades for picks? Maybe we'll decide it's just easier to downgrade our 1st pick and go a pick from 4-8 and another inside the 20? I hope they don't do anything stupid just so they can put out a public media releasing along the lines of "See? Another 3 top 20 picks, we're doing everything we said we would." like trade Steven or Armo with a pick swap to get us there.

I would be happy to see us upgrading picks with some of our players, as not many are standalone top 20 picks without some kind of sweetener to the deal.

When was this said?

 

[God Save Max King]

Increase draft activity in the first three rounds by 50%.

 

[Hayes4PM]

"Our strategy includes increasing our draft activity by 50% in the first 3 rounds of the AFL National Draft over the next four years. Initially, our plan was to secure three selections inside 20 at this year's draft - an outcome we remain determined to achieve prior to the end of the 2013 AFL Trade Period.

St Kilda will not be actively pursuing Free Agency options in 2013 as it does not form part of our strategy for this year. Current Free Agency rules provide for players aged 26+ years old - hence, this demographic does not represent our key focus at this stage of our list transition.

We have deliberately re-positioned our TPP model over the past 24 months from an extremely defensive (ie. constrained) position to a more balanced position in 2014/15 that will then allow us to aggressively pursue Free Agent players from 2016 onwards." - Chris Pelchen

My bad, apparently the 3 top 20 picks was specifically last year and this year and next year they intend to increase their drafting in the first 3 rounds by 50%

 

[Rors]

You know its a bad year when it's Round 16 & you're more excited about the Under 18s Vic Metro v SA game than you are about the game on Sunday....

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

"Our strategy includes increasing our draft activity by 50% in the first 3 rounds of the AFL National Draft over the next four years. Initially, our plan was to secure three selections inside 20 at this year's draft - an outcome we remain determined to achieve prior to the end of the 2013 AFL Trade Period.

St Kilda will not be actively pursuing Free Agency options in 2013 as it does not form part of our strategy for this year. Current Free Agency rules provide for players aged 26+ years old - hence, this demographic does not represent our key focus at this stage of our list transition.

We have deliberately re-positioned our TPP model over the past 24 months from an extremely defensive (ie. constrained) position to a more balanced position in 2014/15 that will then allow us to aggressively pursue Free Agent players from 2016 onwards." - Chris Pelchen

My bad, apparently the 3 top 20 picks was specifically last year and this year and next year they intend to increase their drafting in the first 3 rounds by 50%

..........but even by increasing picks by 50% in first three rounds means an extra 1 or 2 picks that we need to manufacture somehow.....I hope we can do that without losing too much....

 

[aussierulesrules]

..........but even by increasing picks by 50% in first three rounds means an extra 1 or 2 picks that we need to manufacture somehow.....I hope we can do that without losing too much....

I think we need to brace ourselves for more BJ, Dal, Mac type departures. It's a good draft and we're going to want to have plenty of good picks in it I reckon.

We'll probably put it out there that we're open to almost anything and I reckon we'll probably get at least one offer that we consider too good to refuse, like we apparently did with Mac last year.

 

[hayes]

I think we need to brace ourselves for more BJ, Dal, Mac type departures. It's a good draft and we're going to want to have plenty of good picks in it I reckon.

We'll probably put it out there that we're open to almost anything and I reckon we'll probably get at least one offer that we consider too good to refuse, like we apparently did with Mac last year.

Bring them on!!

 

[Plugger_87]

We gotta nail our first pick this year and not make the same mistakes we made in 01 with our 2 top 5 picks which ended up costing us flags. Just get it right cos im sick and tired of this club making horror mistakes year after year.

 

[mighty sainters]

At the end of the day, unless any of us on here are experts in diabetes and it's effect on those who play elite level sport, we're probably just guessing, speculating and/or hoping as to how it will effect Paddy, but given that our club has already dealt with it in recent years with Cripps, I'd hope that they are very well informed on the topic and even more so now that we'd be a huge chance to get Paddy and that we will consequently make the best call.

I think He'll be very good at the next level, no doubt about that, but I just have major doubts that he'll have a similar tank to Cloke, so if not he'll need to find other ways to excel.

As a diabetic, I'll offer my two cents. There's two main problems when you're a diabetic: high blood sugar, and low blood sugar. High blood sugar isn't too much of a problem in the short term, you inject a bit more insulin, and you're good to go. Sustained high blood sugar makes you feel like shit, and takes you off your game, but that's easy to avoid if you know exactly how much stress, different foods, etc affect you, you can just plan a bit ahead. Low blood sugar is the worst; basically you have zero energy, it's like the worst fatigue you'll ever get, and you pretty much can't do anything for up to half an hour, depending on it's severity.
Having said all that, I will say that having a regimented, daily plan (which is easy to have at an AFL club), makes dealing with all that much easier, and you can pretty much avoid all of it, unless you're unlucky enough to get an infection or something. Also, doing a lot of activity helps as well, as you can rely less on insulin, which again makes it easier to avoid going high or low

 

[cuzo]

What's all the fuss about McCartin only being 193. Our best ever Centre half forward in riewoldt is only 193 (although i get that he has a huge tank), meaning that McCartin's height shouldn't be a factor. I still think roo would have been super effective and a gun playing as a lead up full forward like paddy.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What's all the fuss about McCartin only being 193. Our best ever Centre half forward in riewoldt is only 193 (although i get that he has a huge tank), meaning that McCartin's height shouldn't be a factor. I still think roo would have been super effective and a gun playing as a lead up full forward like paddy.

I swear that Chris Dawes was only 191cm but since moving to Melbourne he's apparently 1.93.
Did Collingwood purposely publish him short to stop others from wanting to poach him?

 

[Ads734]

Rha

Yes.

Rahul how's is Paddy in terms of his athleticism , agility/speed/acceleration

 

[BrianSpeaking]

He has none.

 

[Defacto]

The talent pool from 10-40 is much better than last year. Much, much better, just a shame the top 5 isn't nearly as good (IMO).

couldnt agree more rahul, the fall of in quality isnt as steep IMO either. wouldnt be a bad year to turn over the list trade wise and stock up

so many i want!!!

 

[BrianSpeaking]

You guys watch how dominant Wright is tomorrow in good conditions against top notch opposition.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

couldnt agree more rahul, the fall of in quality isnt as steep IMO either. wouldnt be a bad year to turn over the list trade wise and stock up

so many i want!!!

So it would make sense to ( for example ) trade our first pick for a later first round pick + a 2nd round pick?
Other possibilities, CJ + our 3rd rounder for second rounder.

 

[Hayes4PM]

You guys watch how dominant Wright is tomorrow in good conditions against top notch opposition.

I'd love for that to happen, not having a clear No. 1 pick for the first time in a few years makes me a bit nervous we'll pull a Richmond (Tambling, Deledio etc...), although last year we did very well.

Although I wouldn't be complaining much right now if we'd taken Aish or Kolodshijnashnijnisha either, but Billings is still looking the best of our options so far I think, that left foot inside 50....

 

[aussierulesrules]

What's all the fuss about McCartin only being 193. Our best ever Centre half forward in riewoldt is only 193 (although i get that he has a huge tank), meaning that McCartin's height shouldn't be a factor. I still think roo would have been super effective and a gun playing as a lead up full forward like paddy.

In spite of what he apparently said the other day, I would still be massively surprised if Nick isn't at least an inch taller than that, based on having seen him from ground level right next to others who are listed at 193/194cm in the past 18 months (when he looked clearly taller than them- no doubt at all) and plenty of others have said the same thing, having also seen him up close in that time. It may just be that he simply hasn't been measured since he got to the club and that as a result he thinks he's still 193cm, or that we and/or other clubs try to make everyone think they are shorter than they really are, to try and get a height mis-match on the field, hence him sticking with the company line that he's 193cm. (Sounds silly, but it's no more silly than us constantly pulling late changes last year when we were a bottom 3 team- we weren't fooling anybody!).

Hardly anyone in the comp's height ever gets adjusted from how they are originally listed when they first come into the AFL, but are we supposed to believe that pretty much everyone has stopped growing by the age of 18, especially the tall ones? I very much doubt it. Hence Lanch Franklin's height finally being adjusted from 196cm to 198cm when he arrived at Sydney this year, for example. Have heard that Roughead is definitely taller now than the 193cm he is listed at as well.

The other thing about what you said about Roo is that Nick has played the bulk of his career in the period 2002-2014 and if McCartin was also playing the bulk of his career during that period then it likely wouldn't be an issue for him whatsoever, but the fact of the matter is that he'll be coming into his peak from around 2018 and then probably playing till something like 2027 and things are likely to be different by then.

The game is constantly changing and the population is constantly growing taller and 20 years ago you had the likes of Dunstall, Modra, Brereton and Ablett playing key forward at 188cm, or shorter, with those they were playing against being a somewhat similar height and yet 20 years on that is just considered "medium height", with pretty much no-one playing key position anywhere near that short any more and 193cm is the new 188cm (which was on the short side for a key position then, as 193cm is now). It now won't be long at all until 198cm is the new 193cm and considered on the short side for a key position.

By the time McCartin is entering his prime years I reckon just about every backline he comes up against is going to have someone around the 200cm mark, or taller, in it, to combat the Tippett's, Daniher's, Dixon's, Boyd's, Pattons, Lynch's, Carlisle's, Stanley's, Clark's. etc. so I really do think he'd want to get to at least the 195cm mark by the time he stops growing, ideally, otherwise he could be giving away a lot of height just about every week of the year later in his career and that is something the likes of Roo haven't generally had to contend with throughout their careers.

It won't be the be-all and end-all, because, as others have said, if you're good enough, you're tall enough, and him being so strong will counteract that to a degree, but giving away height just about every week down the track is not something I would think is super-ideal, hence my hoping that if we get him he grows a bit more, at least, just to have some more going in his favour, especially if he is more of your "one trick pony" (ie. just suited to the lead-up role at FF, which has become relatively obsolete recently- with whole teams running from one end of the ground to the other).