List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[Hubnester]

How exactly would we get 3 + 4 for pick 1?

 

[Periphery]

How exactly would we get 3 + 4 for pick 1?

I can't really see it happening either.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I feel The Pelican has only raised the idea of trading pick 1 to strengthen the clubs claim of right to a priority pick by showing the AFL the club is proactive in re-building the list. Of course if the right deal was put on the table we would deal.

ARR made a good point in the trade hyperthetical thread on the trade/draft board: If we trade pick 1 it is most likely to GWS.

Personally I would only trade pick 1 for a 2 x picks inside the top 10 but even then we would have to throw our second rounder back. With Melbourne it would be picks 1 and 21 for 4 and 5 or perhaps Gilbert instead of 21 if we are lucky.

As earlier stated GWS look the more likely trade partner with a Dom Tyson deal a consideration. I would only trade pick 1 if one of their big three forwards was involved. Picks 1 and 21 for Patton and picks 3 and 58. Unlikely scenario but pick 1 would only be on the table for overs IMO.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I feel The Pelican has only raised the idea of trading pick 1 to strengthen the clubs claim of right to a priority pick by showing the AFL the club is proactive in re-building the list. Of course if the right deal was put on the table we would deal.

ARR made a good point in the trade hyperthetical thread on the trade/draft board: If we trade pick 1 it is most likely to GWS.

Personally I would only trade pick 1 for a 2 x picks inside the top 10 but even then we would have to throw our second rounder back. With Melbourne it would be picks 1 and 21 for 4 and 5 or perhaps Gilbert instead of 21 if we are lucky.

As earlier stated GWS look the more likely trade partner with a Dom Tyson deal a consideration. I would only trade pick 1 if one of their big three forwards was involved. Picks 1 and 21 for Patton and picks 3 and 58. Unlikely scenario but pick 1 would only be on the table for overs IMO.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Pick 1 is worth it's weight in Gold, as I have been quoted as saying here in the past. It's worth two top 5 picks every day of the week, or a Boyd or Shiel and another top 5 pick.
Exciting times ahead

Yes people have been underselling pick 1 big time.....knowing our draft team if we do part with it, it will be for something worthwhile

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Yes people have been underselling pick 1 big time.....knowing our draft team if we do part with it, it will be for something worthwhile

In my humble opinion pick 1 is worth it's weight in gold to a team that doesn't hold a top 5 draft pick. The Dogs or Blues would be all over it. Two top 5 picks for pick 1 or Boyd and a top 5 pick? No chance IMO.

That opens up another hyperthetical. In the case Melb gets a priority pick and the ladder positions remain the same would we do pick 1 for Macrae and 6 or Menzel and 7? McCartin could be the final piece to their puzzle whereas we are a few years behind and just need to get quantity of quality through the door. Win-win? Dogs and Blues fans likely reading will hate it, lol.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

In my humble opinion pick 1 is worth it's weight in gold to a team that doesn't hold a top 5 draft pick. The Dogs or Blues would be all over it. Two top 5 picks for pick 1 or Boyd and a top 5 pick? No chance IMO.

That opens up another hyperthetical. In the case Melb gets a priority pick and the ladder positions remain the same would we do pick 1 for Macrae and 6 or Menzel and 7? McCartin could be the final piece to their puzzle whereas we are a few years behind and just need to get quantity of quality through the door. Win-win? Dogs and Blues fans likely reading will hate it, lol.

Yep that's the idea, although the Doggies wouldn't take that lol

I think we almost have to try to improve from number 1 to player plus top 5 pick due ot the state of our list and dearth of quality elite players....

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Yep that's the idea, although the Doggies wouldn't take that lol

I think we almost have to try to improve from number 1 to player plus top 5 pick due ot the state of our list and dearth of quality elite players....

Yup definitely unlikely re Macrae lol. He's gonna be a footballer that kid. But if we were trading the no. 1 pick I would want a Wines, Macrae or Shiel quality player in return.

 

[God Save Max King]

• In my humble opinion pick 1 is worth it's weight in gold to a team that doesn't hold a top 5 draft pick. The Dogs or Blues would be all over it. Two top 5 picks for pick 1 or Boyd and a top 5 pick? No chance IMO.

That opens up another hyperthetical. In the case Melb gets a priority pick and the ladder positions remain the same would we do pick 1 for Macrae and 6 or Menzel and 7? McCartin could be the final piece to their puzzle whereas we are a few years behind and just need to get quantity of quality through the door. Win-win? Dogs and Blues fans likely reading will hate it, lol.

No chance the Dogs part with Macrae for 1 in a straight swap and Menzel's knees aren't going to hold up long-term. IMO Melbourne would be an option, considering how they rated the players so differently last year and are after big body midfielders.

Say we traded Pick 1 for 3 + 4, got an end of first rounder as well who would every want with those three selections?

Wright and Brayshaw, please and thank you. I'd also consider trading pick 4 for another group of picks (say Gold Coast's 2 1st rounders), but that's unlikely to happen.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Yea massive man crush on Macrae I can dream. Best from his draft IMO. Will give O'Meara a run for his money.

 

[cooperrules]

Yea massive man crush on Macrae I can dream. Best from his draft IMO. Will give O'Meara a run for his money.

Petracca could be anything would prefer to get the best midfielder in petracca for the next 10 years that opposition clubs salivate over.

 

[Barrels]

For #3 and #4?

Petracca (Brayshaw assuming he's gone) and Laverde thanks.

I think next seasons forwards are better.

I suppose it really depends on who Melbourne - due to the hypothetical trade - and Brisbane want. Melbourne are after big-bodied mids (Petracca) and Brisbane will take Wright or McCartin. As I've said ad nauseum post-conversion, a gun forward is little good if the ball doesn't get down to him, and Laverde also offers a point of difference with his height in a similar vein to Acres and Bontempelli.

That being said, I'd be stoked with Wright or McCartin, and the traditional view is you build teams around key position players. I'd be inclined to take the above in the first round and hope that another KPF stands out by years end; options being Goddard, Keitel and McKenzie amongst others at the second round pick. Even someone like Jayden Foster depending on whether the Dogs still get him covered under F/S rules.

 

[Jezzarayman]

I was always worried Melbourne would get the priority pick but now that we will most likely finish bottom, if a team is stupid enough to offer Frawley an offer worthy of the Band 1 compensation it could work to our advantage. I see Melbourne winning two more games and getting pick 4. The most likely result is St Kilda pick 1 Brisbane Pick 2 GWS pick 3 Melbourne pick 4. Ideally we would desperately want melbourne to finish with pick 2 or 3. Should they get the band 1 compo, I would be looking at a McEvoy type trade.

McEvoy was traded I see because as a player we assessed him as having a certain ceiling with his ability, was a high pick Ruckman who was a solid player, Potential leader, good overhead but was never going to be an A=grader. Hawthorn jumped on Board and McEvoy along with pick 24 was traded for Savage, Pick 18 & 19. Pelch and co have been vindicated on this trade to date and that view will increase further once acres and dunstan develop.

Another player who fits this model is David Armitage. A high pick, Certain ceiling with his ability, leadership potential but due to his age will not be around IMO when we are contending for flags which I think will be more like 2020-2022. I understand that with Lenny gone, Armitage is an important part of our midfield over the tough next few years we face (strong contested player, leader) but you have to give up quality to get quality.
I'd be looking at Armitage and our 2nd round pick for pick 3 or 4 if it was possible. I could only see that trade happening with Melbourne and would be difficult if they finish 4th bottom as it would have to be their first pick.

Walking away with 2 of Petracca, Wright, McCartin or Brayshaw would be a fantastic result. If that scenario did take place I would take petracca at pick 1.

The club has been honest about their model of short term pain for long term gain in the decisions of moving on Goddard, Dal Santo and McEvoy. So a trade like this would not surprise

A somewhat simple but effective way of assessing your list in terms of building a premiership quality team is asking how many of our players under 26 years old would get a game in Sydney, Hawthorn or perhaps Fremantle's 2014 team. The answer for us ATM is scary but will improve as our youngsters develop but indicates how far we are away. Every top pick helps.

 

[Kilroy]

....Wright and Brayshaw, please and thank you. I'd also consider trading pick 4 for another group of picks (say Gold Coast's 2 1st rounders), but that's unlikely to happen.

Hypothetically speaking, Wright and Brayshaw (who may well realistically be there at #3&4) would do just fine thanks.
At #21&22 (end-of-1st + start-of-2nd, and assuming Cal Twomey and Paige Cardona are right with their current top 20 players) then both Duggan and Keitel would be available and welcome, methinks.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

If we got a priority pick at the end of the first round it would be pick 19 seeing as we will finish below GWS and Ess.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

If we got a priority pick at the end of the first round it would be pick 19 seeing as we will finish below GWS and Ess.

That doesn't mean anything.. GWS will finish below Essendope but Essendope have the pick before GWS.

 

[God Save Max King]

If we got a priority pick at the end of the first round it would be pick 19 seeing as we will finish below GWS and Ess.

I think our pick will be before the second round, not at the end of the 1st.

Hypothetically speaking, Wright and Brayshaw (who may well realistically be there at #3&4) would do just fine thanks.
At #21&22 (end-of-1st + start-of-2nd, and assuming Cal Twomey and Paige Cardona are right with their current top 20 players) then both Duggan and Keitel would be available and welcome, methinks.

Keitel, Duggan, Wright and Brayshaw would be another excellent draft. Puts the talent on the table for the development team.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

That doesn't mean anything.. GWS will finish below Essendope but Essendope have the pick before GWS.

That doesn't make sense. Dopers got some weird made up pick they shouldn't have. Where would our pick be then?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

That doesn't make sense. Dopers got some weird made up pick they shouldn't have. Where would our pick be then?

Before our 2nd rounder id say, last first round pick of the draft.

 

[Defacto]

Petracca could be anything would prefer to get the best midfielder in petracca for the next 10 years that opposition clubs salivate over.

this

things open up IMO if we get pick 2

 

[Defacto]

How exactly would we get 3 + 4 for pick 1?

frawley is all but gone and will get band 1 compo for melbourne. melbourne end up with picks 3 + 4

 

[Defacto]

I don't think it'll happen but he said he is after a tall midfielder which Petracca is and shaping up to being the #1 pick so he might.

Maybe i worded it wrong but can read it here http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl.../story-e6frf3e3-1226957890493?from=public_rss

pertracca looks like everything we need IMO

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

pertracca looks like everything we need IMO

We need everything lol

I know what you're talking about though haha.

 

[gringo2011]

My guess is the only way we give up pick one is if there is a Dom Tyson like deal with GWS where a player wants to come home and we offer up a first round pick swap for a gun player. For example Shiel and pick 4 for pick one. Would give us Shiel and one of who ever is left from Petracca, Mc Cartin, Brayshaw or Wright for pick one. Takes away the chance of getting a Jack Watts, fast tracks midfield development and still gets a likely gun with the remaining pick.

 

[Two Planks]

Pick 1 is worth it's weight in Gold, as I have been quoted as saying here in the past. It's worth two top 5 picks every day of the week, or a Boyd or Shiel and another top 5 pick.
Exciting times ahead

Absolute rubbish. Boyd was the number 1 pick 8 months ago and was commonly thought to be the best key position player in the draft since Nick Riewoldt. If you wanted Tom Boyd you would have to give up pick 1 and something not the other way around. 2 months ago Petracca was thought of as a potential top 10 selection now he is being talked up as superman. He is just 1 player.

More realistic trade options for pick 1 would be.

JOR and Pick 5 from GWS.

Nathan Hrovat and pick 7 from Bulldogs.

Tom Mitchell and a fringe player from the swans.

Jack Ziebell and pick 11 from Kangaroos.

Pick 10 and 15 from Gold Coast