2015 Draft Discussion

[WA Lion]

Part of me still wants francis. Hope if leuey leaves we get pick 3 for francis (i know unlikely. But a guy can hope)

same here, as unlikely as it is, would love to get Francis and Schache at the same time

 

[Hiltop77]

We already know how good schache is. But with Francis he could be anything from a nat fyfe type of midfielder or running backman who can kick goals there is a lot to work with there and would be a great get and genuinely interests me as a prospect.

 

[captainrich]

We already know how good schache is. But with Francis he could be anything from a nat fyfe type of midfielder or running backman who can kick goals there is a lot to work with there and would be a great get and genuinely interests me as a prospect.

definetly agree would find the prospect of getting Francis very exciting for this club could be a genuine game changing player for us, something we honestly have been missing (besides a fit Hanley or a fit Dan Rich who can really tear a game apart within a quarter)

 

[Jman78]

Francis looks really impressive. If we did somehow end up with him instead of Sch or Weit I wouldn't be too upset. Quality ball into the forward line can hit targets the size of Caleb Daniel so....

 

[John_Proctor]

do you have to match academy points with your next available pick first?

Eg. If we had 20,25,35 and 25,35 was enough to match could we retain 20 and use that on best available?

Also From a pure points perspective trading aish for pick20 would give us 912 (enough to match a pick 16 bid) points and trading him for pick 37 and 38 would give us 911 points. So any combination of picks better than 37+38 gets us more points than 20. (Hell a combo of 31 and 47 is more points than pick 20)

 

[KissKiss]

do you have to match academy points with your next available pick first?

Eg. If we had 20,25,35 and 25,35 was enough to match could we retain 20 and use that on best available?

Also From a pure points perspective trading aish for pick20 would give us 912 (enough to match a pick 16 bid) points and trading him for pick 37 and 38 would give us 911 points. So any combination of picks better than 37+38 gets us more points than 20. (Hell a combo of 31 and 47 is more points than pick 20)

No you don't get to pick which picks. It's just the next one.
That is a good point on the pick values though

 

[BigCat2]

Yes trade week will be interesting. If a northern club had multiple Academy prospects they're looking to take, it might be better to stock up on multiple mid-range picks as opposed to single higher pick (with the intention of using points to match bids):
1. as John_Proctor pointed out above, same number of points for pick 20 and 37+38. Most clubs would be happier taking pick 20 to the draft, so there's potentially bonus points to be had through trading
2. avoid possibility of missing out on prospects due to "under-bidding" - for example we think both Keays and Hipwood are top 20 selections so acquire pick 18 to help pay for them. As it turns out the highest bid is pick 19 - so we're therefore unable to use pick 18 to buy our Academy players - we end up taking an extra player and go into significant deficit for the following year.

 

[Lace Out]

As a rough guide if we lose all our next 3 games by 10 goals and Carlton lose all theirs by only 5 goals they will still finish below us.It seems decided in my view.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Yes trade week will be interesting. If a northern club had multiple Academy prospects they're looking to take, it might be better to stock up on multiple mid-range picks as opposed to single higher pick (with the intention of using points to match bids):
1. as John_Proctor pointed out above, same number of points for pick 20 and 37+38. Most clubs would be happier taking pick 20 to the draft, so there's potentially bonus points to be had through trading
2. avoid possibility of missing out on prospects due to "under-bidding" - for example we think both Keays and Hipwood are top 20 selections so acquire pick 18 to help pay for them. As it turns out the highest bid is pick 19 - so we're therefore unable to use pick 18 to buy our Academy players - we end up taking an extra player and go into significant deficit for the following year.

This doesnt make sense to me mate. Please explain?

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Yes trade week will be interesting. If a northern club had multiple Academy prospects they're looking to take, it might be better to stock up on multiple mid-range picks as opposed to single higher pick (with the intention of using points to match bids):
1. as John_Proctor pointed out above, same number of points for pick 20 and 37+38. Most clubs would be happier taking pick 20 to the draft, so there's potentially bonus points to be had through trading
2. avoid possibility of missing out on prospects due to "under-bidding" - for example we think both Keays and Hipwood are top 20 selections so acquire pick 18 to help pay for them. As it turns out the highest bid is pick 19 - so we're therefore unable to use pick 18 to buy our Academy players - we end up taking an extra player and go into significant deficit for the following year.

Re: point 2
If that does happen the club could just select the academy player with 18, unless there is a talent still available at that selection is worth going into debt for, and then it's easily justified.
Also pick 19 would be a second round selection, so the debt could be paid off using our second rounder next year too.

I think there will be a lot of point value trades available for us, with the belief of being a shallow draft and all.

 

[Hollow Knight]

As a rough guide if we lose all our next 3 games by 10 goals and Carlton lose all theirs by only 5 goals they will still finish below us.It seems decided in my view.

Yeah, unless Carlton show some pride and integrity and manage to beat Melbourne.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Yeah, unless Carlton show some pride and integrity and manage to beat Melbourne.

Not sure if that was a joke

 

[Lace Out]

Yeah, unless Carlton show some pride and integrity and manage to beat Melbourne.

I don't think Silvagni will be ticking that off.The Dees are $1.48,might be a good time to take 50k out of my super..

 

[lionsbest]

i hope we manage to get 3 picks in the 1st round - 1st pick Sch , 2nd pick leuy compo francis , 3rd pick i really like Riley Bonner, because of what i have seen with his kicking . people say it is elite . i have to agree

 

[John_Proctor]

Don't think it was a rumour more just a musing on his behalf but Gary Lyon mentioned on footy classified last night about how complimentary Stef martin would be to their game style and midfield. And suggested the dogs were going to push hard again this year to load up and try to open a premiership window.

Maybe if they are really ready to push up Martin for their first rounder - would be roughly 13-15

 

[Lionmoe21]

Don't think it was a rumour more at just a musing on his behalf but Gary Lyon mentioned on footy classified last night about how complimentary Stef martin would be to their game style and midfield. And suggested the dogs were going to push hard again this year to load up and try to open a premiership window.

Maybe if they are really ready to push up Martin for their first rounder - would be roughly 13-15

If this helped us get dixon then yes, if it dosent then keep martin

 

[Morgs_]

If this helped us get dixon then yes, if it dosent then keep martin

I'm completely off Dixon. Those ankles don't seem to be any good.

 

[mpal6]

As a rough guide if we lose all our next 3 games by 10 goals and Carlton lose all theirs by only 5 goals they will still finish below us.It seems decided in my view.

Yeah, unless Carlton show some pride and integrity and manage to beat Melbourne.

GC have put half the list in medical ward. Looks like they are coming after Weitering/Schache now.

 

[theteamtobeat]

I'm completely off Dixon. Those ankles don't seem to be any good.

He landed heavily on he's ankle during a marking contest. Ankle problems or not the incident will cause anyone player to miss.

 

[Morgs_]

He landed heavily on he's ankle during a marking contest. Ankle problems or not the incident will cause anyone player to miss.

Not talking specifically about that one instance, there have been a few times this year alone where he has come off with an ankle injury.

 

[Lego 42]

Damien Barrett *cough*grainofsalt*cough* on Triple M tonght saying that Brisbane are locked to get Shache no matter if we get pick 1, 2 or effectively even 3. Says "Shache is happy to go to brisbane" wheras Weitering does not want to come to us and Carlton want him over Shache anyway.
Also later said Gold Coast will not take Weitering or Shache if they finish bottom 2, they do not want talls.

 

[Skoob]

He landed heavily on he's ankle during a marking contest. Ankle problems or not the incident will cause anyone player to miss.

*His.

 

[Ironmonger]

Damien Barrett *cough*grainofsalt*cough* on Triple M tonght saying that Brisbane are locked to get Shache no matter if we get pick 1, 2 or effectively even 3. Says "Shache is happy to go to brisbane" wheras Weitering does not want to come to us and Carlton want him over Shache anyway.
Also later said Gold Coast will not take Weitering or Shache if they finish bottom 2, they do not want talls.

Thanks for relaying that, Lego.

It'd be good if that were the case, but it sounds a bit like guesswork dressed up as inside knowledge.

 

[Schache It Off]

Yep, DO NOT draft Weitering. Holy shit, imagine pick 2 wanting to go back home...**** me.

Francis and the Shack attack. That's all I want.

 

[Harris Specter]

Damien Barrett *cough*grainofsalt*cough* on Triple M tonght saying that Brisbane are locked to get Shache no matter if we get pick 1, 2 or effectively even 3. Says "Shache is happy to go to brisbane" wheras Weitering does not want to come to us and Carlton want him over Shache anyway.
Also later said Gold Coast will not take Weitering or Shache if they finish bottom 2, they do not want talls.

Haha enjoy Carltank you precious piece of shit.