List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[joop]

How he should have acted towards the bouncer isn't the point. He wouldn't have had to figure that out if he hadn't gone out in the first place. We can talk about them all being human, etc, etc, until the cows come home. But he's not like other players. He's a player who said he had one last chance, and he used up his one last chance. If he wants to have fun, buy a scrabble board. Going out to bars is not a necessity in life. It just isn't. And if he's found himself in dangerous situations (to his own brand and ongoing professional life) before, then it's a thing to be avoided like the plague.

You save yourself from incident by staying home, or going to a mate's place and having a few quiet ones. That may seem unfair, but seriously, with what's at stake for clubs now (especially ours!) that's the way they have to start thinking - y'know, like adults (crazy thought, I know...).

Well I disagree, I think what he's done is such a small insignificant incident that I'd welcome him to our club with open arms.
He's getting slandered for slapping a cigarette out of someone's hand, I mean seriously.

 

[joop]

And part of the reason we don't win premierships, is because our players get distracted by having our captain's penis stuck all over the internet.

As for Steven, etc, you'll notice that pretty much everybody else involved in that incident WAY long ago, is now gone, except for Jack - his exceptional talent saved his sorry butt. And it WAS a long, LOOONG time ago, at a very different cultural point in our journey. Heck, it's part of the reason we recognised we needed to change direction in that journey.

As for Webster, there's a difference between dealing with the issues that arise for players already on our list, and going out of our way to get new players who perpetually create issues. Webster got VERY severely reprimanded at the time - he was suspended for a few games, at a time when he was considered best 22, and watched as other players took his place, putting his security in that spot under severe jeopardy. Believe me, Webster very clearly learned his lesson, and how fragile his career can be if he ever does anything that stupid again. Bennell seems impervious to learning those kind of lessons.

So tomorrow in the paper there is a story that Webster had an argument with a bouncer, would you react the same? I think not.

 

[kernelT]

Looking forward to the melters if we do land bennell

 

[Persevering Saint]

Well I disagree, I think what he's done is such a small insignificant incident that I'd welcome him to our club with open arms.
He's getting slandered for slapping a cigarette out of someone's hand, I mean seriously.

To quote Mr Miyagi: "Best defence, no be there."

He's not being slandered for JUST slapping a cigarette out of someone's hand. He's being held accountable for having broken his word, placing himself in a volatile situation, that by his own admission he should have avoided placing himself in ever again.

 

[Persevering Saint]

So tomorrow in the paper there is a story that Webster had an argument with a bouncer, would you react the same? I think not.

Actually, if Webster's problems had become so serious that he'd gone on national television to assure everybody that he'd never do it again, then yeah, actually, I would. If his behaviour "out on the town" caused significant embarrassment that it resulted in us losing already-gunshy sponsors, then yeah, actually, I would. If us letting it slide resulted in other kids thinking that we'll let it slide for them too, and consequently our culture descended to a point that damaged the overall cohesiveness and effectiveness of the list, in the ever-so-fragile process of getting a flag (which we all know about!), then yeah, actually, I would.

 

[gringo2011]

So many wide racist generalisations in the one post.
So we don't take Bennell because aboriginal elders have no discipline over their children and there are no male role models in their culture...
Good stuff.

She said when he was a little tacker he was a handful. Like at 6 years old or something. **** I would be unemployable if we went back to how I was as a kid. Anyway my mates nephew was at a Melbourne club rhyming with bag flies for a couple of years and he said there was a huge coke problem there and they self reported so often the system had to be changed. The alleged club shipped out a whole lot of players when they found out some of the extent of the problem. He told me stories that would make Keith Richards blush about nights out.

 

[Joffaboy]

How much we were doing that is highly debateable. If we were, it's because he went on national television to say he'd changed, and we'd made the assumption that when somebody does something that big, they actually mean it. Turns out he doesn't.

Don't know if our due diligence is based on tabloid TV and what someone says on it.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

No, not EVERY player will - NONE of ours will. And with flipping good reason. We didn't just decide to avoid Mad Monday for the heck of it. We decided that, because our brand is like a man who just got taken off life support - fragile. Very, very fragile. We cannot afford to take risks, not with any of the kids we ALREADY have, let alone with anybody else who comes in.

So you reckon the boys had a 'dry' dinner out last night?

Not having a 'Mad' Monday didn't mean the guys didn't get together & have a drink & it won't prevent the young fellas from having an end of season trip away.

I take your earlier point about sponsors but I stand by my last point. If Ameet, Trout & Richo say Harley is worth it then I'll back them. If they don't then they obviously know more about the situation than you or I do.

But all this drama over knocking a smoke out of someone's hand? I'll wager that the 'Public Nuisance' charge is dropped before it ever gets to court.

 

[joop]

Actually, if Webster's problems had become so serious that he'd gone on national television to assure everybody that he'd never do it again, then yeah, actually, I would. If his behaviour "out on the town" caused significant embarrassment that it resulted in us losing already-gunshy sponsors, then yeah, actually, I would. If us letting it slide resulted in other kids thinking that we'll let it slide for them too, and consequently our culture descended to a point that damaged the overall cohesiveness and effectiveness of the list, in the ever-so-fragile process of getting a flag (which we all know about!), then yeah, actually, I would.

I'm confused, how many sponsors have Gold Coast lost directly related to Bennells off field behaviour?

 

[Persevering Saint]

Don't know if our due diligence is based on tabloid TV and what someone says on it.

I repeat. My problem isn't the actual incident itself - I actually agree in and of itself, it's pretty minor. BUT, it's NOT in and of itself. It's part of a larger tapestry of Bennell's reputation, his promises, the media's thirst for scandal and our history.

 

[joop]

But all this drama over knocking a smoke out of someone's hand? I'll wager that the 'Public Nuisance' charge is dropped before it ever gets to court.

Bang. Nail. Head.

 

[Joffaboy]

Actually, if Webster's problems had become so serious that he'd gone on national television to assure everybody that he'd never do it again, then yeah, actually, I would. If his behaviour "out on the town" caused significant embarrassment that it resulted in us losing already-gunshy sponsors, then yeah, actually, I would. If us letting it slide resulted in other kids thinking that we'll let it slide for them too, and consequently our culture descended to a point that damaged the overall cohesiveness and effectiveness of the list, in the ever-so-fragile process of getting a flag (which we all know about!), then yeah, actually, I would.

In the interview on tabloid TV, did Bennell say he was becoming a trappist monk and would never drink again? Or was he talking about illicit drugs?

Hope you hold yourself to the same standards as you hold others. You must be akin to the Dali Llama.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

They're only footballers for ****s sake, not saints. Clubs media fans sponsors and other righteous holier than thou dogooders need to lighten up a touch.

 

[Persevering Saint]

I'm confused, how many sponsors have Gold Coast lost directly related to Bennells off field behaviour?

We are not Gold Coast. I have no idea about them. I do know that every insider we've ever had has emphatically said that WE HAVE lost sponsors because of off field behaviour. We simply can't afford this risk.

 

[Hayes4PM]

We should trade Hickey for Bennell imo.

Pretty sure not serious, but not sure...

 

[Persevering Saint]

In the interview on tabloid TV, did Bennell say he was becoming a trappist monk and would never drink again? Or was he talking about illicit drugs?

Hope you hold yourself to the same standards as you hold others. You must be akin to the Dali Llama.

Actually, yeah. I recognise that we all make mistakes, etc (I really do). But if people are placing a large responsibility upon me, then I try to uphold the obligations that come with that responsibility, including the reputation of my employers. If I don't, I figure I should be fired.

 

[andy_cav]

Considering he was doing drugs 2 years ago and his latest 'incident' is getting in an argument with a bouncer I'd say he's definitely changed.

I posted this a few weeks ago and I'll repost it now. For all those thinking that Bennell has improved since the photo of him taking drugs and that there have only been 1 or 2 isolated incidents, you need to read this. Since he was drafted, the guy's actions have demonstrated a complete lack of remorse, consideration or understanding of the consequences of his actions, especially with regards to his footy club. I'm sure Harley is a great guy to be around, but he is a liability to an employer, which is exactly what footy clubs are these days.

http://www.sportal.com.au/afl/news/...rley-bennell-story/1uziadz61gkva1ua7j25aq6aul

 

[Joffaboy]

So you reckon the boys had a 'dry' dinner out last night?

Not having a 'Mad' Monday didn't mean the guys didn't get together & have a drink & it won't prevent the young fellas from having an end of season trip away.

I take your earlier point about sponsors but I stand by my last point. If Ameet, Trout & Richo say Harley is worth it then I'll back them. If they don't then they obviously know more about the situation than you or I do.

But all this drama over knocking a smoke out of someone's hand? I'll wager that the 'Public Nuisance' charge is dropped before it ever gets to court.

No our boys don't drink.

That has all been put on ICE until next season.

Bloody hell there are some very naïve people out there.

Go back to Caro's allegations about one of our AA's. Is he a risk to our sponsors and "brand"?

 

[Linton St]

So he was drunk and knocked a smoke out of a bouncers hand? Lock him up and throw away the key!

Honestly though, this just makes him cheaper and probably helps sign his papers. Will be a bargain for whichever club picks him up.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Look, I want to stress, I have no problem with Bennell going and playing AFL somewhere else. In fact, I think it'd be a tragedy if he doesn't - not only for the viewing public, but for himself: probably the best chance he's got of beating this reputation/cycle etc, is to play footy well, in a good strong culture, like (dare I say it) Hawthorn. Hawks have a great history of rehabilitating players. I'm simply stating we are not the club to do that right now. The risks are too great if he stuffs up (bad for us), but they're also too great for HIM, because I don't think we have the money or background to effectively give him the support he needs to succeed.

 

[Joffaboy]

I posted this a few weeks ago and I'll repost it now. For all those thinking that Bennell has improved since the photo of him taking drugs and that there have only been 1 or 2 isolated incidents, you need to read this. Since he was drafted, the guy's actions have demonstrated a complete lack of remorse, consideration or understanding of the consequences of his actions, especially with regards to his footy club. I'm sure Harley is a great guy to be around, but he is a liability to an employer, which is exactly what footy clubs are these days.

http://www.sportal.com.au/afl/news/...rley-bennell-story/1uziadz61gkva1ua7j25aq6aul

Would recruit him on the fact that he wanted to punch Robinsons lights out. Sounds like the type of sensible character to have about the club.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Come on.. who hasnt tried a bit of yam yam once or twice.

 

[atlaser]

Pick 5 for benell & pick 22
Pick 22 for carlisle
Take 25 to the draft.

5 for Bennell would be silly given the circumstances. As a footballer yes of course he's worth pick 5, but he won't be at Gold Coast next year and the Saints would be a perfect fit for him. Second rounder I reckon.

 

[STK2020]

Honestly at first I was "I want Bennell" now im really not sure we want his drama at our Club , fair enough he is allowed a few frothies but then comes a disorderly conduct accusation .....Pass
Im over reading about over paid ******** getting smashed on drugs or pissed and driving .
Rather go to the draft and keep building our future premiership team without the BS that goes with it .

 

[Rors]

No, not EVERY player will - NONE of ours will. And with flipping good reason. We didn't just decide to avoid Mad Monday for the heck of it. We decided that, because our brand is like a man who just got taken off life support - fragile. Very, very fragile. We cannot afford to take risks, not with any of the kids we ALREADY have, let alone with anybody else who comes in.

We are having a Wacky Wednesday though....