List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[Hugga]

I really hope that Rice nominates us. I don't know a lot about him other than what I've read here. Gee it's a good look for the club to have Carlisle and Freeman nominated them (albeit on good contract terms) but then a young kid nominate the club over the one he supported and where his Dad played in a flag.

The fact that Saints went to press the other day with a 'geez we'd like to get Bailey' article suggests to me that they know it is on the cards and are seeking to maximise the PR benefits of the acquisition. Conversely, Carlton going to press the same day with an article about Silvagni suggests they are seeking to minimise the attention the 'Rice selects Saints' story gets with their own positive father/son story.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I'm really impressed with Daniel Rioli's combine results..

* came equal second in the 20-metre sprint (recording a time of 2.89 seconds)
* won the 30-metre repeat sprints with a score of 24.15 seconds
* placed in the top-10 for the vertical jump and clean hands test
* ran to level 14.6 in the beep test.

on a side note:

Darcy Parish tested but wasn't a standout in any event.
Charlie Curnow ran 14.5 in the beep test and won his group's three-kilometre time trial too
Darcy Tucker ran 15.3 in the beep test

Those are good results for Curnow, who's tank has been mentioned as something that needs work. Did Mathieson come top 10 in any of the running events?

 

[saintbondy]

Those are good results for Curnow, who's tank has been mentioned as something that needs work. Did Mathieson come top 10 in any of the running events?

Not that I know of.. He was pretty good skills wise, couple of top 10's. I will try to find out re the running.

 

[saintbondy]

Here are all of the top 10's

2015 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE LEADING PERFORMERS

Absolute standing vertical jump (cm)
Mabior Chol - 334cm
Gach Nyuon - 330
Jacob Weitering - 327
Andre Parrella - 325
Mitch King - 324
Jesse Glass-McCasker - 323
Jack Firns - 322
Matthew Flynn - 321
Callum Moore - 319
Eric Hipwood - 318

Absolute running vertical jump (cm)
Gach Nyuon - 362cm
Mabior Chol - 357
Jacob Weitering - 344
Andre Parrella - 342
Jesse Glass-McCasker - 340
Callum Moore - 340
Matthew Flynn - 339
Eric Hipwood - 338
Liam Jeffs - 338
Harry McKay - 337
Lachlan Tiziani - 337

Relative vertical jump (cm)
Jordan Snadden - 75cm
Alex Morgan - 71
Mitch King - 70
David Cuningham - 70
Lachlan Tiziani - 69
Oleg Markov - 69
Stephen Tahana - 69
Daniel Rioli - 69
Tom Doedee - 68
Jack Firns - 68
Matthew Kennedy - 68
Darcy Tucker - 68

Relative running vertical jump (cm)
Lachlan Tiziani - 97cm
Gach Nyuon - 94
Matthew Kennedy - 91
Mabior Chol - 90
Liam Jeffs - 90
Jordan Snadden - 90
Darcy MacPherson - 89
Blake Hardwick - 86
Hisham Kerbatieh - 86
Callum Moore - 86
Stephen Tahana - 86

20m sprint
Alex Morgan - 2.88 seconds
Kurt Mutimer - 2.88
Liam Jeffs - 2.89
Daniel Rioli - 2.89
Thomas Glen - 2.90
Declan Moutford - 2.90
Callum Moore - 2.91
David Cuningham - 2.91
Hisham Kerbatieh - 2.94
Jordan Snadden - 2.94

30m repeat sprints
Daniel Rioli - 24.15 seconds
Mabior Chol - 24.30
Oleg Markov - 24.32
Thomas Glen - 24.46
David Cuningham - 24.51
Jordan Snadden - 24.54
Wayne Milera - 24.61
Will Snelling - 24.64
Liam Jeffs - 24.74
Luke Partington - 24.76

Agility
Kieran Lovell - 7.90 seconds
Alex Morgan - 8.07
Clayton Oliver - 8.11
Aidyn Johnson - 8.15
Tom Doedee - 8.19
Jesse Glass-McCasker - 8.22
Oleg Markov - 8.23
Will Snelling - 8.24
Darcy MacPherson - 8.24
Ben Crocker - 8.25

Shuttle run (beep test level)
Joshua Schoenfeld -16.2 level
Mitchell Hibberd - 15.4
Darcy Tucker - 15.3
Declan Mountford -15.2
Jacob Weitering - 15.1
Matthew Kennedy - 14.12
Kieran Lovell - 14.10
Will Snelling - 14.10
Tom Cole - 14.10
Oleg Markov - 14.8
Darcy MacPherson - 14.8

Three-kilometre time trial
Joshua Schoenfeld - 9:15 minutes
Thomas Jok - 9:47
Mitchell Hibberd - 10:02
Declan Mountford - 10:04
Brayden Hackett - 10:06
Ben Keays - 10:09
Daniel Rioli - 10:09
Will Snelling - 10:10
Mason Redman - 10:12
Nash Holmes - 10:16

Clean hands test
Kieran Collins - 29 (out of a possible 30)
Darcy MacPherson - 28
Tyrone Leonardis - 28
Daniel Rioli - 27
Rhys Mathieson - 27
Mitch King - 27
Jade Gresham - 26
Bailey Rice - 26
Darcy Tucker - 26
Declan Mountford - 26
Kurt Mutimer - 26
Jordan Snadden - 26

Goalkicking test
Jade Gresham - 30 (out of a possible 30)
Nick O'Kearney - 30
Oleg Markov - 30
Clayton Oliver - 30
Kieran Lovell - 25
Tyrone Leonardis - 25
Matthew Kennedy - 25
Mitchell Hibberd - 25
Liam Jeffs - 25
Eric Hipwood - 25
Matthew Allen - 25
Nick Coughlan - 25
Mitch King - 25

Kicking test
Mitchell Hibberd - 24 (out of a possible 30)
Nick Coughlan - 23
Darcy MacPherson - 22
Thomas Glen - 22
Matthew Allen - 22
Jade Gresham - 21
Nick O'Kearney - 21
Rhys Mathieson - 21
Declan Mountford - 21
Jordan Snadden - 21
Ben McKay - 21
Charlie Curnow - 21

 

[aussierulesrules]

Not that I know of.. He was pretty good skills wise, couple of top 10's. I will try to find out re the running.

No worries, just read the article. Interesting to see that they didn't mention Matho or Francis as one of those likely to go highest in the draft. Mentioned Weitering, Schache, Mills, Hopper, Parish, Kennedy, Curnow and Wiedeman.

 

[saintbondy]

Liam Jeffs tested well also.. Don't know what he is like as a footballer though.. Anyone?

193cm midfielder

 

[saintbondy]

No worries, just read the article. Interesting to see that they didn't mention Matho or Francis as one of those likely to go highest in the draft. Mentioned Weitering, Schache, Mills, Hopper, Parish, Kennedy, Curnow and Wiedeman.

Francis didn't test due to injury and Parish didn't test exeptionally well in anything..

 

[aussierulesrules]

Francis didn't test due to injury and Parish didn't test exeptionally well in anything..

What does it mean for how the first round might look? That might depend on who ends up with the picks, with many expected to be shuffled in a frenzied trade period. But we know plenty of the names who will be right at the top: Weitering, Schache, Mills, Hopper, Parish, Kennedy, Curnow and Weideman. Bids seem most likely to come for Mills in the first four or five picks and for Hopper and Kennedy about the same spot. But should GWS acquire Collingwood's pick seven as part of the Adam Treloar deal (they already hold No.8), there's a chance the Giants could get through their first two picks before a bid on Kennedy comes. That would be the dream result for GWS under the new bidding system.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-11/combine-wrap-rioli-sizzles-academy-prospect-kennedy-stars

 

[gringo2011]

My little man Lovell on top in the agility too. He is going to be a gun somewhere. I think we are likely to lose any picks likely to get hold of him but he reminds me of Jack Steven.

 

[StMiles1]

The fact that Saints went to press the other day with a 'geez we'd like to get Bailey' article suggests to me that they know it is on the cards and are seeking to maximise the PR benefits of the acquisition. Conversely, Carlton going to press the same day with an article about Silvagni suggests they are seeking to minimise the attention the 'Rice selects Saints' story gets with their own positive father/son story.

Can so picture Richo saying this.

 

[Dopey BJ]

Can so picture Richo saying this.

Hugga = Richo

 

[saintbondy]

SuperFooty (AFL) ‏@superfooty 10m10 minutes ago
Give us pick 5 and we'll do the deal at 10am. Dons hold firm on Carlisle trade: http://bit.ly/1P823gz

Anyone with a herald sun subscription? i cant see it

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Here are all of the top 10's

2015 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE LEADING PERFORMERS

Absolute standing vertical jump (cm)
Mabior Chol - 334cm
Gach Nyuon - 330
Jacob Weitering - 327
Andre Parrella - 325
Mitch King - 324
Jesse Glass-McCasker - 323
Jack Firns - 322
Matthew Flynn - 321
Callum Moore - 319
Eric Hipwood - 318

Absolute running vertical jump (cm)
Gach Nyuon - 362cm
Mabior Chol - 357
Jacob Weitering - 344
Andre Parrella - 342
Jesse Glass-McCasker - 340
Callum Moore - 340
Matthew Flynn - 339
Eric Hipwood - 338
Liam Jeffs - 338
Harry McKay - 337
Lachlan Tiziani - 337

Relative vertical jump (cm)
Jordan Snadden - 75cm
Alex Morgan - 71
Mitch King - 70
David Cuningham - 70
Lachlan Tiziani - 69
Oleg Markov - 69
Stephen Tahana - 69
Daniel Rioli - 69
Tom Doedee - 68
Jack Firns - 68
Matthew Kennedy - 68
Darcy Tucker - 68

Relative running vertical jump (cm)
Lachlan Tiziani - 97cm
Gach Nyuon - 94
Matthew Kennedy - 91
Mabior Chol - 90
Liam Jeffs - 90
Jordan Snadden - 90
Darcy MacPherson - 89
Blake Hardwick - 86
Hisham Kerbatieh - 86
Callum Moore - 86
Stephen Tahana - 86

20m sprint
Alex Morgan - 2.88 seconds
Kurt Mutimer - 2.88
Liam Jeffs - 2.89
Daniel Rioli - 2.89
Thomas Glen - 2.90
Declan Moutford - 2.90
Callum Moore - 2.91
David Cuningham - 2.91
Hisham Kerbatieh - 2.94
Jordan Snadden - 2.94

30m repeat sprints
Daniel Rioli - 24.15 seconds
Mabior Chol - 24.30
Oleg Markov - 24.32
Thomas Glen - 24.46
David Cuningham - 24.51
Jordan Snadden - 24.54
Wayne Milera - 24.61
Will Snelling - 24.64
Liam Jeffs - 24.74
Luke Partington - 24.76

Agility
Kieran Lovell - 7.90 seconds
Alex Morgan - 8.07
Clayton Oliver - 8.11
Aidyn Johnson - 8.15
Tom Doedee - 8.19
Jesse Glass-McCasker - 8.22
Oleg Markov - 8.23
Will Snelling - 8.24
Darcy MacPherson - 8.24
Ben Crocker - 8.25

Shuttle run (beep test level)
Joshua Schoenfeld -16.2 level
Mitchell Hibberd - 15.4
Darcy Tucker - 15.3
Declan Mountford -15.2
Jacob Weitering - 15.1
Matthew Kennedy - 14.12
Kieran Lovell - 14.10
Will Snelling - 14.10
Tom Cole - 14.10
Oleg Markov - 14.8
Darcy MacPherson - 14.8

Three-kilometre time trial
Joshua Schoenfeld - 9:15 minutes
Thomas Jok - 9:47
Mitchell Hibberd - 10:02
Declan Mountford - 10:04
Brayden Hackett - 10:06
Ben Keays - 10:09
Daniel Rioli - 10:09
Will Snelling - 10:10
Mason Redman - 10:12
Nash Holmes - 10:16

Clean hands test
Kieran Collins - 29 (out of a possible 30)
Darcy MacPherson - 28
Tyrone Leonardis - 28
Daniel Rioli - 27
Rhys Mathieson - 27
Mitch King - 27
Jade Gresham - 26
Bailey Rice - 26
Darcy Tucker - 26
Declan Mountford - 26
Kurt Mutimer - 26
Jordan Snadden - 26

Goalkicking test
Jade Gresham - 30 (out of a possible 30)
Nick O'Kearney - 30
Oleg Markov - 30
Clayton Oliver - 30
Kieran Lovell - 25
Tyrone Leonardis - 25
Matthew Kennedy - 25
Mitchell Hibberd - 25
Liam Jeffs - 25
Eric Hipwood - 25
Matthew Allen - 25
Nick Coughlan - 25
Mitch King - 25

Kicking test
Mitchell Hibberd - 24 (out of a possible 30)
Nick Coughlan - 23
Darcy MacPherson - 22
Thomas Glen - 22
Matthew Allen - 22
Jade Gresham - 21
Nick O'Kearney - 21
Rhys Mathieson - 21
Declan Mountford - 21
Jordan Snadden - 21
Ben McKay - 21
Charlie Curnow - 21

Tucker yes please.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

SuperFooty (AFL) ‏@superfooty 10m10 minutes ago
Give us pick 5 and we'll do the deal at 10am. Dons hold firm on Carlisle trade: http://bit.ly/1P823gz

Anyone with a herald sun subscription? i cant see it

Sounds desperate.

 

[God Save Max King]

What does it mean for how the first round might look? That might depend on who ends up with the picks, with many expected to be shuffled in a frenzied trade period. But we know plenty of the names who will be right at the top: Weitering, Schache, Mills, Hopper, Parish, Kennedy, Curnow and Weideman. Bids seem most likely to come for Mills in the first four or five picks and for Hopper and Kennedy about the same spot. But should GWS acquire Collingwood's pick seven as part of the Adam Treloar deal (they already hold No.8), there's a chance the Giants could get through their first two picks before a bid on Kennedy comes. That would be the dream result for GWS under the new bidding system.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-11/combine-wrap-rioli-sizzles-academy-prospect-kennedy-stars

I find it interesting that the writer of this piece regularly speaks to recruiters, list managers and people in the AFL industry and has listed 8 names (9 when you consider Francis, who will certainly be picked in the top 8) for the top end and omitted a certain midfielder who the Saints are chasing. I wonder if this 'Saints' club has any other deals to do and would consider trading down in the draft to acquire more tradeable assets, while still putting themselves in a position to acquire said midfielder? Food for thought

 

[Flandersss]

SuperFooty (AFL) ‏@superfooty 10m10 minutes ago
Give us pick 5 and we'll do the deal at 10am. Dons hold firm on Carlisle trade: http://bit.ly/1P823gz

Anyone with a herald sun subscription? i cant see it

"What do you think James?"

 

[The Jack Pack]

SuperFooty (AFL) ‏@superfooty 10m10 minutes ago
Give us pick 5 and we'll do the deal at 10am. Dons hold firm on Carlisle trade: http://bit.ly/1P823gz

Anyone with a herald sun subscription? i cant see it

Spoiler: Wall of text

ESSENDON wants draft pick No. 5 for Jake Carlisle and has promised to send the star defender to St Kilda when the AFL trade period opens at 10am on Monday if the Saints deliver.

The Bombers are building a draft bonanza as they replenish their list under new coach John Worsfold and should finish the exchange period with four picks inside 25 — their strongest position in draft history.

Essendon — which already holds picks four and 23 — is confident of landing Melbourne’s pick 25 for Jake Melksham and is determined to prise No. 5 from the Saints.

The Bombers — excluded from the first two rounds of the 2013-14 drafts as part of the drugs sanctions — have not had four picks in the top-25 since 1998.

They have activated just five top-25 selections since 2009.

The clubs could be headed for an impasse with the Saints last week hesitant to part with No. 5 but Dons list chief Adrian Dodoro told the Herald Sun on Sunday a pick later in the first round would not satisfy.

“It’s pick five, which will eventually be No. 7 or 8 with the academy boys anyway,” he said.

“We’re firm it should be pick five. We think that’s fair — he’s our player and we want to retain him.

“We haven’t received an official offer from the Saints yet so hopefully (today) we get one. But that’s the cleanest, fairest way of doing it.

“He’s 197cm, he’s the best key-position player available and he walks into their starting line-up and plays centre half-back against the best forwards in the comp.”

Dodoro started informal talks on the two deals with St Kilda’s Ameet Bains and Melbourne’s Todd Viney last week.

Dodoro was confident the Bombers would beat Sydney to free agent Matthew Leuenberger’s signature and said a new deal for Brent Stanton could be ticked off as soon as Tuesday.

But he said uncontracted halfback Courtenay Dempsey would have to sit down with Worsfold this week to discuss his future.

Dempsey is sweating but tipped to stay.

Dodoro said attracting picks was the club’s priority and Worsfold would be included in trade talks.

“It’s fair to say this is a really important draft coming up for the club,” he said.

“We haven’t been to the draft in a couple of years, so we’d like to definitely bring on some quality young players.”

The industry has long rated this year’s draft one of the poorest but Dodoro said the weekend’s combine at Etihad Stadium had changed opinions.

“Our guys in particular are really bullish about the quality and the depth,” he said.

“There’s some quality kids and testing has been really good — you’ve just got to do your homework.

Dodoro said Leuenberger, 27, had always been the club’s top ruck target.

“We went from the best stoppage team in the competition to the worst stoppage team this year after we lost Paddy Ryder,” he said.

“(Leuenberger) has a lot of good footy ahead of him. He’s got his body right, ruckman mature late and he’s got the opportunity to be our No. 1 ruck in partnership with Tom Bellchambers.”

The Demons have tabled Melksham a lucrative four-year offer while Carlisle chose the Saints ahead of Carlton.

 

[Choomah]

Spoiler: Wall of text

ESSENDON wants draft pick No. 5 for Jake Carlisle and has promised to send the star defender to St Kilda when the AFL trade period opens at 10am on Monday if the Saints deliver.

The Bombers are building a draft bonanza as they replenish their list under new coach John Worsfold and should finish the exchange period with four picks inside 25 — their strongest position in draft history.

Essendon — which already holds picks four and 23 — is confident of landing Melbourne’s pick 25 for Jake Melksham and is determined to prise No. 5 from the Saints.

The Bombers — excluded from the first two rounds of the 2013-14 drafts as part of the drugs sanctions — have not had four picks in the top-25 since 1998.

They have activated just five top-25 selections since 2009.

The clubs could be headed for an impasse with the Saints last week hesitant to part with No. 5 but Dons list chief Adrian Dodoro told the Herald Sun on Sunday a pick later in the first round would not satisfy.

“It’s pick five, which will eventually be No. 7 or 8 with the academy boys anyway,” he said.

“We’re firm it should be pick five. We think that’s fair — he’s our player and we want to retain him.

“We haven’t received an official offer from the Saints yet so hopefully (today) we get one. But that’s the cleanest, fairest way of doing it.

“He’s 197cm, he’s the best key-position player available and he walks into their starting line-up and plays centre half-back against the best forwards in the comp.”

Dodoro started informal talks on the two deals with St Kilda’s Ameet Bains and Melbourne’s Todd Viney last week.

Dodoro was confident the Bombers would beat Sydney to free agent Matthew Leuenberger’s signature and said a new deal for Brent Stanton could be ticked off as soon as Tuesday.

But he said uncontracted halfback Courtenay Dempsey would have to sit down with Worsfold this week to discuss his future.

Dempsey is sweating but tipped to stay.

Dodoro said attracting picks was the club’s priority and Worsfold would be included in trade talks.

“It’s fair to say this is a really important draft coming up for the club,” he said.

“We haven’t been to the draft in a couple of years, so we’d like to definitely bring on some quality young players.”

The industry has long rated this year’s draft one of the poorest but Dodoro said the weekend’s combine at Etihad Stadium had changed opinions.

“Our guys in particular are really bullish about the quality and the depth,” he said.

“There’s some quality kids and testing has been really good — you’ve just got to do your homework.

Dodoro said Leuenberger, 27, had always been the club’s top ruck target.

“We went from the best stoppage team in the competition to the worst stoppage team this year after we lost Paddy Ryder,” he said.

“(Leuenberger) has a lot of good footy ahead of him. He’s got his body right, ruckman mature late and he’s got the opportunity to be our No. 1 ruck in partnership with Tom Bellchambers.”

The Demons have tabled Melksham a lucrative four-year offer while Carlisle chose the Saints ahead of Carlton.

****ing dodo, blokes a straight up cabbage

 

[Rors]

SuperFooty (AFL) ‏@superfooty 10m10 minutes ago
Give us pick 5 and we'll do the deal at 10am. Dons hold firm on Carlisle trade: http://bit.ly/1P823gz

Anyone with a herald sun subscription? i cant see it

Looks like we take him with pick 5 in the PSD then...

Nice work Dildodo

 

[saintbondy]

Spoiler: Wall of text

ESSENDON wants draft pick No. 5 for Jake Carlisle and has promised to send the star defender to St Kilda when the AFL trade period opens at 10am on Monday if the Saints deliver.

The Bombers are building a draft bonanza as they replenish their list under new coach John Worsfold and should finish the exchange period with four picks inside 25 — their strongest position in draft history.

Essendon — which already holds picks four and 23 — is confident of landing Melbourne’s pick 25 for Jake Melksham and is determined to prise No. 5 from the Saints.

The Bombers — excluded from the first two rounds of the 2013-14 drafts as part of the drugs sanctions — have not had four picks in the top-25 since 1998.

They have activated just five top-25 selections since 2009.

The clubs could be headed for an impasse with the Saints last week hesitant to part with No. 5 but Dons list chief Adrian Dodoro told the Herald Sun on Sunday a pick later in the first round would not satisfy.

“It’s pick five, which will eventually be No. 7 or 8 with the academy boys anyway,” he said.

“We’re firm it should be pick five. We think that’s fair — he’s our player and we want to retain him.

“We haven’t received an official offer from the Saints yet so hopefully (today) we get one. But that’s the cleanest, fairest way of doing it.

“He’s 197cm, he’s the best key-position player available and he walks into their starting line-up and plays centre half-back against the best forwards in the comp.”

Dodoro started informal talks on the two deals with St Kilda’s Ameet Bains and Melbourne’s Todd Viney last week.

Dodoro was confident the Bombers would beat Sydney to free agent Matthew Leuenberger’s signature and said a new deal for Brent Stanton could be ticked off as soon as Tuesday.

But he said uncontracted halfback Courtenay Dempsey would have to sit down with Worsfold this week to discuss his future.

Dempsey is sweating but tipped to stay.

Dodoro said attracting picks was the club’s priority and Worsfold would be included in trade talks.

“It’s fair to say this is a really important draft coming up for the club,” he said.

“We haven’t been to the draft in a couple of years, so we’d like to definitely bring on some quality young players.”

The industry has long rated this year’s draft one of the poorest but Dodoro said the weekend’s combine at Etihad Stadium had changed opinions.

“Our guys in particular are really bullish about the quality and the depth,” he said.

“There’s some quality kids and testing has been really good — you’ve just got to do your homework.

Dodoro said Leuenberger, 27, had always been the club’s top ruck target.

“We went from the best stoppage team in the competition to the worst stoppage team this year after we lost Paddy Ryder,” he said.

“(Leuenberger) has a lot of good footy ahead of him. He’s got his body right, ruckman mature late and he’s got the opportunity to be our No. 1 ruck in partnership with Tom Bellchambers.”

The Demons have tabled Melksham a lucrative four-year offer while Carlisle chose the Saints ahead of Carlton.

Thanks,

So in summing that pile of shit of an article up, dodo is a w***er

 

[aussierulesrules]

I find it interesting that the writer of this piece regularly speaks to recruiters, list managers and people in the AFL industry and has listed 8 names (9 when you consider Francis, who will certainly be picked in the top 8) for the top end and omitted a certain midfielder who the Saints are chasing. I wonder if this 'Saints' club has any other deals to do and would consider trading down in the draft to acquire more tradeable assets, while still putting themselves in a position to acquire said midfielder? Food for thought

If we believed that we were going to be able to get said character with the pick we trade down to then we'd be mad not to do it. Might be more difficult to get one of those two GWS picks if they think they'll have enough points with later picks to be able to use one or both as "live picks" though.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Heard a rumour Woosha wants the Carlisle deal out of the way by end of week 1. Doesn't want it to drag out & hold up other trades. Dodohead has a deadline

 

[Mowman]

SuperFooty (AFL) ‏@superfooty 10m10 minutes ago
Give us pick 5 and we'll do the deal at 10am. Dons hold firm on Carlisle trade: http://bit.ly/1P823gz

Anyone with a herald sun subscription? i cant see it

Would rather pick 5 then Carlisle, but hey that just me

 

[Periphery]

******* dodo, blokes a straight up cabbage

That's pretty insulting to cabbages.

 

[saintbondy]

Heard a rumour Woosha wants the Carlisle deal out of the way by end of week 1. Doesn't want it to drag out & hold up other trades. Dodohead has a deadline

We can only hope.. He thinks he can stand over us.. I will buy Ameet the vas and the barrel..