Analysis 2016 AFL Trade Week Thread

[rumoursofwinter]

So he has gone from being worth 1161 points to -2 points in three years? That's not good!

 

[TheFVK]

Yeah if we are to believe that trade calculator was used at all, it would be showing us that McCarthy was worthless. And that's ignoring the fact that it falls down at the top end of the draft, when bands of players start emerging i.e. this draft class is said to have a couple standouts, followed by a pretty even 3-10 class.

Cannot believe the trades Freo and Hawthorn have pulled off this year. Just once I'd love to see our club get away with highway robbery like these clubs have.

 

[Sleezy]

Yeah if we are to believe that trade calculator was used at all, it would be showing us that McCarthy was worthless. And that's ignoring the fact that it falls down at the top end of the draft, when bands of players start emerging i.e. this draft class is said to have a couple standouts, followed by a pretty even 3-10 class.

Cannot believe the trades Freo and Hawthorn have pulled off this year. Just once I'd love to see our club get away with highway robbery like these clubs have.

The freo trade is the only trade so far. What have the hawks done other than put their best player out to pasture and sign Vickery of all people?

 

[Chrizzt]

If you need any proof big blokes and in particular KPP's and especially KPF's hold their value and actually increase it without having to do a lot, just look at Cam McCarthy.

NAB AFL Trade Radio
✔@traderadio
OFFICIAL: The @GWSGIANTS have received pick 3 from@freodockers in exchange for Cameron McCarthy and picks 7, 33 & 71

So McCarthy is taken pick 14 in the 2013 draft by GWS - our original pick before trading away to get Polec - and for improving pick 7 to pick 3 and virtually guaranteeing another gun youngster turned 200 gamer. He played 21 games in 3 seasons, well 2 that he was actual in Western Sydney.

Using the draft value index pick 14 is worth 1161 pts. The trade below shows they tried to match the DVI calculation.

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#3,|7,33,71,

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But given the very high quality top 10-12 picks a downgrade on pick 3 to 7 isn't really that much this year, it skews from the draft pick rating system points.

Think Freo would be absolutely thrilled by that deal and GWS would be only fine with it.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Yeah if we are to believe that trade calculator was used at all, it would be showing us that McCarthy was worthless. And that's ignoring the fact that it falls down at the top end of the draft, when bands of players start emerging i.e. this draft class is said to have a couple standouts, followed by a pretty even 3-10 class.

Cannot believe the trades Freo and Hawthorn have pulled off this year. Just once I'd love to see our club get away with highway robbery like these clubs have.

Troy Chaplin for pick 30 FA compo followed by pick 29 for Jack Hombsch was some pretty great highway robbery.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

But given the very high quality top 10-12 picks a downgrade on pick 3 to 7 isn't really that much this year, it skews from the draft pick rating system points.

Think Freo would be absolutely thrilled by that deal and GWS would be only fine with it.

GWS will probably need it to get one of their academy kids whose name escapes me. Yeah I reckon Freo got the better end of the stick but this sort of deal wouldn't have happened with a club from Victoria or SA because of the whole academy set up. GWS would have got even more for McCarthy if they didn't have the academy set up which was my main point - KPP's especially KPF'S hold and improve their value and why it's worth draft good ones and stockpiling because if they become surplus you can trade them away.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Troy Chaplin for pick 30 FA compo followed by pick 29 for Jack Hombsch was some pretty great highway robbery.

We had pick 29 and had picks 30 and 31 as compo not sure which one was for Pearce and which one was for Chaplin. We traded away 29 for Hombsch and Neade but it then became 28 when the crows were stripped of their 1st and 2nd round picks for Tippett cheating. Compo picks 30 and 31 then became 29 and 30.

 

[DaTBird187]

But given the very high quality top 10-12 picks a downgrade on pick 3 to 7 isn't really that much this year, it skews from the draft pick rating system points.

Think Freo would be absolutely thrilled by that deal and GWS would be only fine with it.

GWS will end up with 3 of the 10 best players in this years draft. Just let that sink in after they made a prelim this year.

 

[xflamedancer]

Is it possible that one year we could actually organize a trade prior to trade period and go bang......

Didn't we do that with Matty White????

 

[TheFVK]

The freo trade is the only trade so far. What have the hawks done other than put their best player out to pasture and sign Vickery of all people?

The Tom Mitchell for Pick 14 + late round draft pick swap which they've verbally agreed to. Absolute steal.

Troy Chaplin for pick 30 FA compo followed by pick 29 for Jack Hombsch was some pretty great highway robbery.

In hindsight we made out like thieves, but at the time Hombsch was a relative unknown suggested to be too short for his preferred position. Pick 30 for an experienced KPD is about right, even knowing it's Chaplin.

 

[TeeKray]

GWS will end up with 3 of the 10 best players in this years draft. Just let that sink in after they made a prelim this year.

And they will bag a slew of first/second rounders for players like Marchbank, Steele, McCarthy and Pickett who played no or minimal part in their charge up the ladder this year. Just wonderful.

 

[TheFVK]

And they will bag a slew of first/second rounders for players like Marchbank, Steele, McCarthy and Pickett who played no or minimal part in their charge up the ladder this year. Just wonderful.

If I were GWS I'd be trading those on for future first rounders as much as possible, they'll have enough players demanding coin without more top 10 picks coming through.

 

[NEGAN]

If I were GWS I'd be trading those on for future first rounders as much as possible, they'll have enough players demanding coin without more top 10 picks coming through.

Their salary cap and the fact they play in front of 10 fans will catch up to them eventually.

The dam will break if they win their first premiership, it will also break if they slide in the next couple of years.

 

[raptalia]

If you need any proof big blokes and in particular KPP's and especially KPF's hold their value and actually increase it without having to do a lot, just look at Cam McCarthy.

NAB AFL Trade Radio
✔@traderadio
OFFICIAL: The @GWSGIANTS have received pick 3 from@freodockers in exchange for Cameron McCarthy and picks 7, 33 & 71

So McCarthy is taken pick 14 in the 2013 draft by GWS - our original pick before trading away to get Polec - and for improving pick 7 to pick 3 and virtually guaranteeing another gun youngster turned 200 gamer. He played 21 games in 3 seasons, well 2 that he was actual in Western Sydney.

Using the draft value index pick 14 is worth 1161 pts. The trade below shows they tried to match the DVI calculation.

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#3,|7,33,71,

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Interesting observation..

We know this situation has only arisen because one club has been gifted that many first round picks that they can afford to trade out players that would be 'must keeps' in any other club. A first round pick in 2013, McCarthy was probably never going to get a regular game at GWS ahead of the red hot KPP's they have managed to accrue. The worrying thing is GWS trade out a player most clubs would covet and gain yet another top three draft pick in the process. I guess this is what the AFL ordered and will only stop when GWS have won multiple Premierships and hopefully Eddie has complained enough to whoever replaces MacLachlan.

Neither Freo or GWS have lost in this deal, in fact it was smart dealing from Freo because they get a potential replacement for Pavlich and keep a top ten draft pick and pick up a second round pick which they can on trade if they wish. The real worry is the potential for a GWS domination has just increased that bit more as they can use pick 3 to bolster any weaknesses in their list. I have a feeling of an impending decade of domination by the West of Sydney and this trade period is not helping to allay my fears.

 

[Janus]

If you need any proof big blokes and in particular KPP's and especially KPF's hold their value and actually increase it without having to do a lot, just look at Cam McCarthy.

NAB AFL Trade Radio
✔@traderadio
OFFICIAL: The @GWSGIANTS have received pick 3 from@freodockers in exchange for Cameron McCarthy and picks 7, 33 & 71

So McCarthy is taken pick 14 in the 2013 draft by GWS - our original pick before trading away to get Polec - and for improving pick 7 to pick 3 and virtually guaranteeing another gun youngster turned 200 gamer. He played 21 games in 3 seasons, well 2 that he was actual in Western Sydney.

Using the draft value index pick 14 is worth 1161 pts. The trade below shows they tried to match the DVI calculation.

https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#3,|7,33,71,

View attachment 299543

Actually if 3 = 7, 33 and 71, doesn't that prove that McCarthy was just steaknives? It would have been 7 and McCarthy for 3 if he held his pick value, just like Boyd was 6 and Griffen.

 

[charcolechaddy]

I dont want Gibbs ,would suit them better than us.

they are also having a look at trying to get Brisbane's pick 2 and Carltons pick 5 ...

so they could have 2, 3, 5, 15 & 16 in the first round ...

in the 2nd round they could have 36 as well

Tell this reliable guy to stop smoking crack

A guy that dumb couldn't afford crack.

 

[snozulu]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-13/trade-winds-pies-deny-young-pair-could-leave

Greater Western Sydney says it would not make sense for Essendon to use its No.1 pick to bid on Giants academy gun Will Setterfield unless they are willing to go through with drafting him at that position.

The Bombers have reportedly been planning to bid on both Setterfield and fellow Academy player Jack Bowes at No.1 to force the Giants to use multiple picks to secure the pair.

GWS football manager Wayne Campbell said the move would not make sense unless the Bombers genuinely had the players in their sights.

"If they (Essendon) have Will at one they will pick him at one, but if they have him lower than that just to force us to bid it wouldn’t make sense unless we’ve got him at No.1 ourselves and that is a work in progress," Campbell told The Daily Telegraph.

Campbell said clubs that were unhappy with the Giants' Academy system and the growing stocks available to them still had the opportunity to bid for those players.

"It’s not like you can’t get them because they are in the academy players can go anywhere. If Essendon pick Will Setterfield at one he’s not going to say he’s not coming."

What a bunch of smug arrogant campaigners GWS are

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Actually if 3 = 7, 33 and 71, doesn't that prove that McCarthy was just steaknives? It would have been 7 and McCarthy for 3 if he held his pick value, just like Boyd was 6 and Griffen.

Yeah I think you are right in terms of draft pts. But I don't think Freo would have given away 3 if they thought there was a decent KPF in the draft and GWS given up 7 if they didn't have the need for the points to get one of their academy kids via the new academy pts system and the 20% discount rule . Pick 71 has no value to GWS as they have enough top 20 picks and 33 is a similar situation given the picks they have and might get if one or two of their high rated kids move on and how little delistings they will do outside the forced ones to reduce the squad as per their concession conditions.

The Boyd / Griffen swap happened before the DVI came into play.

 

[Hellgood]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-13/trade-winds-pies-deny-young-pair-could-leave

Greater Western Sydney says it would not make sense for Essendon to use its No.1 pick to bid on Giants academy gun Will Setterfield unless they are willing to go through with drafting him at that position.

The Bombers have reportedly been planning to bid on both Setterfield and fellow Academy player Jack Bowes at No.1 to force the Giants to use multiple picks to secure the pair.

GWS football manager Wayne Campbell said the move would not make sense unless the Bombers genuinely had the players in their sights.

"If they (Essendon) have Will at one they will pick him at one, but if they have him lower than that just to force us to bid it wouldn’t make sense unless we’ve got him at No.1 ourselves and that is a work in progress," Campbell told The Daily Telegraph.

Campbell said clubs that were unhappy with the Giants' Academy system and the growing stocks available to them still had the opportunity to bid for those players.

"It’s not like you can’t get them because they are in the academy players can go anywhere. If Essendon pick Will Setterfield at one he’s not going to say he’s not coming."

What a bunch of smug arrogant campaigners GWS are

All Campbell is saying if Essendon try to jack up Setterfield's price artificially, they'll call the bluff. If that's being "smug", then you've got a warped perception of the world.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Interesting.... Would we look at this ??

 

[Harro59]

I was under the impression that the Bombers are more keen on Bowes but still good on clubs bidding on these guys.

I still think Essendon will go after McGrath which the GWS are keen on. Mcluggage isnt on the GWS radar as they have that many other first rounders like him so he will find it hard to get a game. Bit of a waste.

I thought Settlerfield was more likely to go around pick 10 - 15 ish.

 

[CharlieKelly]

When Eddie McGuire whinges a lot, he makes a valid point about one thing:

Riverina, Sunraysia and Broken Hill should be excluded from NSW Academy zones, areas south of the Murray River that already have an established AFL culture. They should be treated with the same multicultural/indigenous rules that SA and WA clubs have.

NSW Academies should be about developing players in areas of NSW with scarce AFL presence: Newcastle, Byron Bay, Central Coast, Blue Mountains, Coffs Harbour, Wollongong, even Sydney itself and especially Western Sydney.

There's only ever been one player who's originated from Western Sydney that's played AFL: Dylan Addison.

 

[LynchysMob]

On an unofficial Port fan Twitter this morning the guy claimed Ah Chee has officially requested a trade to us... Can anyone confirm anything like that? Do you guys want to see him leave or prefer to keep him?

 

[Harro59]

Interesting.... Would we look at this ??

Yeah I bet they are. I dont think they have a host of academy players this year or any massive guns like the last 2 years.

We are not in a position to entertain that in my opinion. The top 10 in this years drsft is even but I think it does fall away after that and we need a good young talent player to inject into the squad.

 

[raptalia]

On an unofficial Port fan Twitter this morning the guy claimed Ah Chee has officially requested a trade to us... Can anyone confirm anything like that? Do you guys want to see him leave or prefer to keep him?

Wants to join his brother at Gold Coast
Good young player with potential and we would be sorry to see him go. We would like a second but he would probably cost you a third round pick.
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