2016 Draft discussion

[JasRulz63]

We would of had enough points without the risk of going into points deficit. You do realize the 2 second round picks we could of got from Collingwood could have been further downgraded, which would have netted us extra 100 points, for other clubs to trade up the order.

Only negative side to that decision is that we would have enough points to get Allison only this year and not Rolls or Watson. We would have to trade Mayes to get Watson and Rolls. I rather these way and we could of added a additional elite talented junior.

Another 100 points doesn't really remove much risk (we still would've been in deficit if someone bid pick 19 for Keays), not to mention you need to find clubs that have multiple late picks willing to do a deal with you and offering them more than GWS who's looking to do the same thing. Have a look at the draft order, not many clubs had multiple late picks worth more than pick 26 left. What if Mayes didn't want to leave this year? How would we get the points for this years draftees given we only have our second and fourth rounder this year? Digging ourselves a hole if Allison/Rolls/Watson go higher than expected.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but unfortunately the club didn't know where Hipwood and Keays would be bid on. Emma Quayle had Keays going 18 in her phantom draft. That would've put us in deficit, even with an extra 100 points.

(Wayne Milera, Daniel Rioli or Harry McKay).

GWS had pick 10, so McKay was gone at 9. Milera supposedly had warning signs about the 'go home factor' from some articles around draft time, it was raised as a reason why GC went for Ah Chee and not Milera.

 

[lionsbest]

We would of had enough points without the risk of going into points deficit. You do realize the 2 second round picks we could of got from Collingwood could have been further downgraded, which would have netted us extra 100 points, for other clubs to trade up the order.

Only negative side to my suggestion is that we would have enough points to get Allison only, that's if Allison wasn't selected in the top 10. We would have had to trade Mayes to get Watson and Rolls. I rather take this risk and we added a additional elite talented player at pick 8 (Wayne Milera, Daniel Rioli or Harry McKay).

We should play the game ,let other clubs pay to develope them ,then see how they like it when they want to go home.then we can give Sh.tty picks ,like what they gave us.

 

[dlanod]

We should play the game ,let other clubs pay to develope them ,then see how they like it when they want to go home.then we can give Sh.tty picks ,like what they gave us.

They rarely want to come home.

I think we had been trying to get Armitage for quite a few years at one point without luck. Riewoldt never came back. Only sick dads make a difference.

 

[pulpdriver]

They rarely want to come home.

I think we had been trying to get Armitage for quite a few years at one point without luck. Riewoldt never came back. Only sick dads make a difference.

Wasn't he open to it on our most recent attempt but Pelchen wasn't having a bar of it?

 

[theteamtobeat]

Another 100 points doesn't really remove much risk (we still would've been in deficit if someone bid pick 19 for Keays), not to mention you need to find clubs that have multiple late picks willing to do a deal with you and offering them more than GWS who's looking to do the same thing. Have a look at the draft order, not many clubs had multiple late picks worth more than pick 26 left. What if Mayes didn't want to leave this year? How would we get the points for this years draftees given we only have our second and fourth rounder this year? Digging ourselves a hole if Allison/Rolls/Watson go higher than expected.

GWS and Sydney managed to get multiple late picks to pay for their highly rated kids. Finding clubs that would want to be trading multiple late picks in a weak draft isn't hard to find, for example North traded down to get Anderson, pick 38 and 40. Plus you can do 3 or 4 way trades.

By the way Mayes is gone, he asked to be traded last year. He should net us a couple late second round or early second round picks. In addition to these years pick, plus the picks we get in the Mayes trade, we should get easily have 2450 points in total (including after we downgrade our picks). That should be enough to net Allison, Rolls and Watson (based on where Knightmare rated our Academy players) If we need more points then we would have to trade out Bewick for a 3rd round pick, which would net us 300 odd points.

 

[lionsbest]

Then why suggest getting a young kid?

Correct me if I am wrong,basty could not get a regular senior game in north Melbourne.was playing reserves.so been there than that.not exactly what I would call a smart decision by the club.In fact I was stunned,so much so I would call it stupid..so a young kid early pick ,someone who Can be moulded , not set in their ways,still early in their delevlopement, greater scope to develope. Remember skill,speed absolute paramount in my decision making.Unless they are A grade talent, for course, if not PASS.do you think Basty was a good choice? I will make it clear, rather draft someone young,then someone another club does not think worthy of senior footy.i would rather take the risk.

 

[jackess]

Correct me if I am wrong,basty could not get a regular senior game in north Melbourne.was playing reserves.so been there than that.not exactly what I would call a smart decision by the club.In fact I was stunned,so much so I would call it stupid..so a young kid early pick ,someone who Can be moulded , not set in their ways,still early in their delevlopement, greater scope to develope. Unless they are A grade talent,PASS.do you did think Basty was a good choice? I will make it clear, rather draft someone young,then someone another club does not think worthy of senior footy.

3 of our b & f winners last year were seen as not worthy of senior footy by their previous club

 

[James North]

Correct me if I am wrong,basty could not get a regular senior game in north Melbourne.was playing reserves.so been there than that.not exactly what I would call a smart decision by the club.In fact I was stunned,so much so I would call it stupid..so a young kid early pick ,someone who Can be moulded , not set in their ways,still early in their delevlopement, greater scope to develope. Remember skill,speed absolute paramount in my decision making.Unless they are A grade talent, for course, if not PASS.do you think Basty was a good choice? I will make it clear, rather draft someone young,then someone another club does not think worthy of senior footy.i would rather take the risk.

Don't think Bastinac is keeping anyone out of the team, really.

Probably a bigger risk with a young kid - Basti had shown form before.

It's only one example ... But it's not a great one.

 

[lionsbest]

3 of our b & f winners last year were seen as not worthy of senior footy by their previous club

Zorko ,not recruited from another afl.the other two( correct me if I am wrong) were playing or had played more games in the seniors than Basty , prior to being drafted by Brisbane.mitch was moved on because he lied to the club.stephan was more to my understanding a personality conflict with the coach,correct me if I am wrong

 

[lionsbest]

Don't think Bastinac is keeping anyone out of the team, really.

Probably a bigger risk with a young kid - Basti had shown form before.

It's only one example ... But it's not a great one.

Tell me when with north Melbourne? I am interested.i could be wrong was he not playing in the reserves.prior to us taking him

 

[lionshine]

Zorko ,not recruited from another afl.the other two( correct me if I am wrong) were playing or had played more games in the seniors than Basty , prior to being drafted by Brisbane.mitch was moved on because he lied to the club.stephan was more to my understanding a personality conflict with the coach,correct me if I am wrong

Zorko was traded to us from the Suns before he even arrived at their club. Bastinac had played more games at North than Robbo did at the Blues and Martin had at the Demons.

 

[lionsbest]

Zorko was traded to us from the Suns before he even arrived at their club. Bastinac had played more games at North than Robbo did at the Blues and Martin had at the Demons.

Zorko did not play for the Suns.was he not pre listed with them.in context Martin did he not have a lot of injuries and conflict tension with the coach?robbo I thought played more games ( in the year he was traded to us)with Carlton senior side prior to the incident .i could be wrong.

 

[jackess]

Zorko did not play for the Suns.was he not pre listed with them.in context Martin did he not have a lot of injuries and conflict tension with the coach?robbo I thought played more games ( in the year he was traded to us)with Carlton senior side prior to the incident .i could be wrong.

They could have kept Zorko but clearly they didn't rate him so traded to us cheap. Bastinac had a lot more runs on the board than Stef and Robbo but both of them flourished in the right environment for them.

 

[JasRulz63]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-04/u18s-graham-leads-sa-to-commanding-win

Not a great day for the Allies. Rolls had 17 disposals off half-back (and in the bests) and Ballenden took a good mark and kicked a goal. Allison's form so far has been disappointing.

 

[Dylan12]

Pick 21 became pick 26 in the draft because the academy players (Keays included) pushed the pick down.

Bell isn't worth pick 52, let alone 26.

He may run fast in time trials during pre-season and be the best trainer, but he is no AFL footballer.

Carlton must be laughing at dealing with us given we gave up such a high pick for Bell and took so little for Docherty.

 

[JasRulz63]

Bell isn't worth pick 52, let alone 26.

He may run fast in time trials during pre-season and be the best trainer, but he is no AFL footballer.

Carlton must be laughing at dealing with us given we gave up such a high pick for Bell and took so little for Docherty.

Trust me, I agree wholeheartedly. I mentioned several times during the trade period last year that a half forward flanker that can't kick is the last thing we needed.

My point was that had we'd kept either pick (17 or 21), we would've lost said pick through matching academy bids. Realistically, not doing the Bell trade wouldn't have left us with much more than we currently have (unless we had an option to trade it for something better).

 

[Ruse]

Can our list improve? Absolutely!

We do have some talent on our list ..... but what we don't have is purpose.

I'm pretty sure the purpose is to go out there and win games.

 

[theteamtobeat]

Bell isn't worth pick 52, let alone 26.

He may run fast in time trials during pre-season and be the best trainer, but he is no AFL footballer.

Carlton must be laughing at dealing with us given we gave up such a high pick for Bell and took so little for Docherty.

That's exactly what one of the commentators said during the game. I remember Gerard Healy saying that Carlton fans should be cheering for Bell because we traded pick 21 for him. Something along those lines, lol.

 

[James North]

That's exactly what one of the commentators said during the game. I remember Gerard Healy saying that Carlton fans should be cheering for Bell because we traded pick 21 for him. Something along those lines, lol.

They said they shouldn't be booing...

 

[JasRulz63]

They said they shouldn't be booing...

Boo-ell?

 

[lionshine]

Josh Battle with 4 goals in a row for Vic Country against WA including a freakish one from he boundary according to Callum Twomey on twitter. A big championships carnival for him and he'll be right in the frame for top 5 selection in my opinion.

 

[lionshine]

 

[JasRulz63]

Brodie has 10 disposals and a goal too (Twomey on twitter).

 

[lionshine]

 

[lionshine]