2016 Non Crows AFL Discussion thread Part 2

[Runnin Blue]

Depends on your connection and spirituality. It was horrendous on you. It is horrendous on all of us. But death is treated quite differently in various cultures. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Are you actually suggesting that the death of a family member is treated more gravely from one culture to the next?

EDIT:

Well, since you failed to respond after being active in this thread up to a minute ago, I will make an addendum.

If you ever wonder why your persistent attempts at becoming a mod get knocked back, this is a prime example. Take note and listen.

We can all understand having a bleeding heart. Unless you are a complete arseh*le, you can find some empathy for another person at some point.

In saying that, trying to suggest that someone of a different background to me feels the death of a family member more keenly because of "reasons" is the biggest crock of insulting shit I have ever heard.

You are taking your "sit on the fence", "see the positives in everything" well publicised opinion too far in this case and imo.

I cannot emphasize how offended I am by your comments further without resorting to expletives.

I would love to discuss it with you further or through PM if you so wish.

 

[tinman]

I'd love to see that legal advice investigated further since Port supposedly gave it before midnight many hours before he fronted the cops.

Won't happen. It's called legal professional privilege.

Any advice they give a client is privileged. No hope of it ever being revealed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_professional_privilege_in_Australia

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Lol, if he was on the phone texting & sober, reckon he would have realised after the 1st prang... but 4 prangs... give me a break, that's completely unbelievable.

Also, why would you then run & hide from Police for over half a day?

Because he was drinking!

Let's cut the crap, there was no extenuating circumstances to this behaviour.

Time to man up & stop the lies & take responsibility.

Perhaps he was texting people about the first prang which caused the 2nd prang? And so forth.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Is that the only reply Port fans are capable of? Stiffy did it! Stiffy did it!

But but but what about the Bickley Elbow??!!

Still going strong a decade and a half later.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Won't happen. It's called legal professional privilege.

Any advice they give a client is privileged. No hope of it ever being revealed.

Between a lawyer and their client, yes. Between an employer and employee?

 

[Sanders]

Between a lawyer and their client, yes. Between an employer and employee?

Only between a lawyer and client.

 

[Elite Crow]

Article in the advertiser which is paywalled, so Thomas reckons Impey wasn't avoiding police but left his phone at the scene and was making his way home.

Are they for real?

Police were on the scene at 7:35pm and were looking for Impey, Port located him at 12am but waited until the morning before handing himself in.

So Port knowing the police were after him didn't report him straight away.

We need Caroline Wilson to get hold of this.

 

[Roovolution]

There's been a lot aimed at the lad as well.

Let's make excuses for him shall we? We all make mistakes but he showed his character by leaving the scene and trying to worm his way out of it by doing a runner and not reporting to the police until his blood alcohol limit was low enough to get away with drink driving. He now gets what he deserves. He had a choice after he stuffed up so now he cops the criticism.

 

[Roovolution]

Article in the advertiser which is paywalled, so Thomas reckons Impey wasn't avoiding police but left his phone at the scene and was making his way home.

Are they for real?

Police were on the scene at 7:35pm and were looking for Impey, Port located him at 12am but waited until the morning before handing himself in.

So Port knowing the police were after him didn't report him straight away.

We need Caroline Wilson to get hold of this.

Wretched phone is to blame. Hid from him under the seat and caused the accident and then he couldn't find the hiding phone so he thought he'd go for a long run. I blame the phone.

 

[AFC3000]

How long before Port claim it was actually a Geelong supporter...

Or this one

“The club has spoken to Greg about his post and counselled him on the harm these types of comments can cause,” Thomas said.

“We are satisfied that Greg understands his wrongdoing and is extremely regretful for the post. He promptly sent me a letter of apology and personally assured me that he has learnt from his mistake.

“We appreciate the AFL offering us extra counselling for Greg, but as it stands we are very confident that the counselling he received from the club on Monday will ensure this won’t happen again.”

KT, the best spin in the business, Port won't come down too hard on him because it might look like something is wrong at Alberton.

 

[jenny61_99]

Let's make excuses for him shall we? We all make mistakes but he showed his character by leaving the scene and trying to worm his way out of it by doing a runner and not reporting to the police until his blood alcohol limit was low enough to get away with drink driving. He now gets what he deserves. He had a choice after he stuffed up so now he cops the criticism.

Not making excuses for him at all. He made a mistake. He will pay the consequences. Doesn't need to be publicly crucified as well.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Reckon if you read properly most of the criticism is aimed at how Port have spun and covered this up.

Also boils down to the BS the last few years about how great are Port etc.

 

[jenny61_99]

Are you actually suggesting that the death of a family member is treated more gravely from one culture to the next?

EDIT:

Well, since you failed to respond after being active in this thread up to a minute ago, I will make an addendum.

If you ever wonder why your persistent attempts at becoming a mod get knocked back, this is a prime example. Take note and listen.

We can all understand having a bleeding heart. Unless you are a complete arseh*le, you can find some empathy for another person at some point.

In saying that, trying to suggest that someone of a different background to me feels the death of a family member more keenly because of "reasons" is the biggest crock of insulting shit I have ever heard.

You are taking your "sit on the fence", "see the positives in everything" well publicised opinion too far in this case and imo.

I cannot emphasize how offended I am by your comments further without resorting to expletives.

I would love to discuss it with you further or through PM if you so wish.

WTF? So I don't respond to you instantly, you chuck a wobbly?

What does this have to do with my "persistent attempts" at becoming a mod? That is just ridiculous. You are saying I'm not a mod because I sit on the fence and see the positives in everything? Jesus H Christ.
Edit: There aren't ANY positives out of all this. He was damned lucky he didn't kill himself or someone else.


I never said they feel anything more keenly, just that their approach to death and mourning is very different to ours. I do wish you would read.

 

[crowded house]

Are you actually suggesting that the death of a family member is treated more gravely from one culture to the next?

No one is saying that the emotional loss is necessarily any different between cultures. What is different is the expectations and obligations of different cultures. Death in Aboriginal families is met with a considerable amount of family and community obligation. I imagine that this puts a disproportionate amount of stress on a young man who then has to take on/over the cultural responsibilities of his father.

My experience of Anglo culture is that this isnt really the case. It doesnt mean it's worse in one culture having a parent die, but there may be more stressors in some cultures.

 

[Runnin Blue]

WTF? So I don't respond to you instantly, you chuck a wobbly?

What does this have to do with my "persistent attempts" at becoming a mod? That is just ridiculous. You are saying I'm not a mod because I sit on the fence and see the positives in everything? Jesus H Christ.

I never said they feel anything more keenly, just that their approach to death and mourning is very different to ours. I do wish you would read.

Are you Aboriginal?

 

[MRB37]

Do you have an understanding of death and mourning within an indigenous family?

Yes, I'm not disputing that at all, I'm disputing the fact that he is putting that mourning above anyone elses.

 

[jenny61_99]

Are you Aboriginal?

Fairly self-explanatory when I say "their approach to death and mourning is different to ours". Like I said, READ what I wrote, not what you THINK I wrote.

 

[jenny61_99]

And before you think I'm running off... I'm actually off to bed. I'll continue this - or not - in the morning.

 

[crowded house]

Are you Aboriginal?

Are you 12?

Different cultures approach death differently. It's not a revelation.

 

[Runnin Blue]

No one is saying that the emotional loss is necessarily any different between cultures. What is different is the expectations and obligations of different cultures. Death in Aboriginal families is met with a considerable amount of family and community obligation. I imagine that this puts a disproportionate amount of stress on a young man who then has to take on/over the cultural responsibilities of his father.

My experience of Anglo culture is that this isnt really the case. It doesnt mean it's worse in one culture having a parent die, but there may be more stressors in some cultures.

Fairly self-explanatory when I say "their approach to death and mourning is different to ours". Like I said, READ what I wrote, not what you THINK I wrote.

So you are not Indigenous. So your opinion of their grievance to death is much the same to mine?

As in, I don't know, I don't pretend to know, because I am not an arrogant presumptious person.

 

[Runnin Blue]

Are you 12?

Different cultures approach death differently. It's not a revelation.

No. I am 36.

Are you an idiot? That is equivalent to you asking if I am 12 years of age.

ALL PEOPLE FEEL DEATH EQUALLY. There is no exceptions or you aren't human.

Or maybe you are 12?

 

[crowded house]

So you are not Indigenous. So your opinion of their grievance to death is much the same to mine?

As in, I don't know, I don't pretend to know, because I am not an arrogant presumptious person.

You dont know and you dont 'pretend to know' because ... well, you dont know.

You dont actually have to be indigenous to know about indigenous culture.

 

[crowded house]

No. I am 36.

Are you an idiot? That is equivalent to you asking if I am 12 years of age.

ALL PEOPLE FEEL DEATH EQUALLY. There is no exceptions or you aren't human.

Or maybe you are 12?

All people feel death equally? Really?

Are you all people. If not then how do you know?

Disengaging.

 

[Runnin Blue]

You dont actually have to be indigenous to know about indigenous culture.

Wow. Ok.

 

[johnnypanther]

With respect, Jenny et al, but what happened on the weekend has nothing whatsoever to do with the death of a family member - that is what the spin doctors want the whole narrative to be deflected to.

Impey will pay his penalty via the Courts and a Club imposed penalty, and hopefully he and other footballers etc will learn something from this experience,

However, IMO, the biggest issue in all this are the behind the scenes spin, lies etc .... what was Monfries' role? why were neighbours "threatened" or "persuaded" to suppress what happened? why did he walk one day but then it was decided he rode a bike? where did the bike come from? who aided him? why the differing stories emanating from KT and co? why the delay in getting Impey to front up to the police? i'm sure there are more questions.