List Mgmt. 2016 Trade, Draft and FA Megathread

[Kildonan]

Next year's Draft, Trading, & FA threads

We want to design a more accessible way of discussing recruitment next year - as you know there is a lot of interesting and valuable information in the megathread, but there is a lot of off-topic talk, difference of opinion and repetition of questions / answers / rumours etc etc etc

We simply cant have a thread for every player we are interested in. We currently have a thread for discussion of who we should target with pick #14 and that allows people, who cant find the time to trawl though numerous pages of the megathread, to target their search for the discussion they want.

Next year might be interesting in that we may target a FA so we may have a discussion thread specifically about that

We still intend to have a megathread but the initiative of having interested parties update the megathread summary was poorly taken up

The moderators are overwhelmed by the task of moving all the off topic drivel posts from the megathread, and I'm sure many of you are aware of how several pages of to and fro ing between proponents about minor issues can make the thread undesirable to read.

What I am asking for is some suggestions on how to improve the board for next year - how would you organise it? What do you want?

A rumour thread?
Draft thread? ??megathread
Trading thread?
FA thread

?all stickied

 

[holllywood]

Next year's Draft, Trading, & FA threads

We want to design a more accessible way of discussing recruitment next year - as you know there is a lot of interesting and valuable information in the megathread, but there is a lot of off-topic talk, difference of opinion and repetition of questions / answers / rumours etc etc etc

We simply cant have a thread for every player we are interested in. We currently have a thread for discussion of who we should target with pick #14 and that allows people, who cant find the time to trawl though numerous pages of the megathread, to target their search for the discussion they want.

Next year might be interesting in that we may target a FA so we may have a discussion thread specifically about that

We still intend to have a megathread but the initiative of having interested parties update the megathread summary was poorly taken up

The moderators are overwhelmed by the task of moving all the off topic drivel posts from the megathread, and I'm sure many of you are aware of how several pages of to and fro ing between proponents about minor issues can make the thread undesirable to read.

What I am asking for is some suggestions on how to improve the board for next year - how would you organise it? What do you want?

A rumour thread?
Draft thread? ??megathread
Trading thread?
FA thread

?all stickied

A rumour thread for only rumours and no discussion would also be good, a great way to catch up on the latest rumours without having to trawl through 10+ pages to see what the original rumour and who posted it.

 

[sammm]

The idea of a thread specifically for FA would be good

 

[Jack Stevens]

A rumour thread for only rumours and no discussion would also be good, a great way to catch up on the latest rumours without having to trawl through 10+ pages to see what the original rumour and who posted it.

The Carlton board have one of these, and I think its a pretty good system. I checked it a couple of times leading up to and during the trade period to get a general feel for what they thought was happening with Carlisle and Rice.

 

[Joffaboy]

Seems like the trading me gathered goes along at a steady clip until it becomes a very heavy traffic area once the trading period starts.

Maybe a separation between a trading thread and a draft thread?
However this may cause more moderation headaches as there will be two concurrent topical threads.

Maybe subthreads on discussion Points?

Really I am not too sure. Seems like traffic gravates to the D&T thread this time of year.

Not criticising however could it be considered that the definition of OT is perhaps a little to rigid? Or does experience show you that any more lienency leads to the threads just descending into slanging matches?

 

[Nutsngum]

You want to lessen the work done by making more work? Trade discussion is naturally going to happen in whichever thread is made and topics are going to overlap a huge amount.

The only times the Trade thread became annoying to read was when a squibble started to hit 2 or 3 pages of back and forth. The rest was inconsequential and generally stops on its own.

Just keep it at one thread.

 

[Kilroy]

.... Next year might be interesting in that we may target a FA so we may have a discussion thread specifically about that. We still intend to have a megathread but the initiative of having interested parties update the megathread summary was poorly taken up

The moderators are overwhelmed by the task of moving all the off topic drivel posts from the megathread, and I'm sure many of you are aware of how several pages of to and fro ing between proponents about minor issues can make the thread undesirable to read.

What I am asking for is some suggestions on how to improve the board for next year - how would you organise it? What do you want?

A rumour thread?
Draft thread? ??megathread
Trading thread?
FA thread

?all stickied

To the mods,

Firstly, thankyou for somehow surviving the marathon ordeal of maintaining this top class facility. Not just for our supporters but those other bastards too.

Secondly, thanks for making sense.

Thirdly, whatever it is you're doing, keep doing it (if it's worth it for you personally). We all owe you.

Finally, may your team win a f****** flag very soon. You deserve it.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Thread for father/son. thread for free agents, (that will be a popular thread next year), thread for trading (O'Meara etc), thread for our 1st pick, thread for our later picks and so on.

Better to try to split the threads out - maybe have a thread labelled off topic draft where mods can put all the off topic rubbish that we all sprout, (no doubt at the time it was thought as wise)!!!!

 

[VDS66]

Are we trading Hickey?

 

[VDS66]

Next year's Draft, Trading, & FA threads

We want to design a more accessible way of discussing recruitment next year - as you know there is a lot of interesting and valuable information in the megathread, but there is a lot of off-topic talk, difference of opinion and repetition of questions / answers / rumours etc etc etc

We simply cant have a thread for every player we are interested in. We currently have a thread for discussion of who we should target with pick #14 and that allows people, who cant find the time to trawl though numerous pages of the megathread, to target their search for the discussion they want.

Next year might be interesting in that we may target a FA so we may have a discussion thread specifically about that

We still intend to have a megathread but the initiative of having interested parties update the megathread summary was poorly taken up

The moderators are overwhelmed by the task of moving all the off topic drivel posts from the megathread, and I'm sure many of you are aware of how several pages of to and fro ing between proponents about minor issues can make the thread undesirable to read.

What I am asking for is some suggestions on how to improve the board for next year - how would you organise it? What do you want?

A rumour thread?
Draft thread? ??megathread
Trading thread?
FA thread

?all stickied

Maybe...

Trade period only thread.

Draft thread.

Delusional trade scenario thread.

But yeah, all 4 seem like a great idea.

You guys did a great job this year BTW.

 

[Kildonan]

You want to lessen the work done by making more work? Trade discussion is naturally going to happen in whichever thread is made and topics are going to overlap a huge amount.

The only times the Trade thread became annoying to read was when a squibble started to hit 2 or 3 pages of back and forth. The rest was inconsequential and generally stops on its own.

Just keep it at one thread.

There seems to be two main schools of thought on this. One school wants to keep everything in one thread and have it all there to read in on giant longitudinal discussion.
The other school recognises that the posts of interest to them are quickly buried within pages and pages of material that is difficult to read through. These posters often give up trying to read it all, they fall behind or miss the posts they were looking for and beg for someone who is constantly up to date to post a summary post. Those persons who are constantly up to date seem reluctant to post summaries.

If people post in the appropriate thread, this will end up being less work rather than more.

Another thought: Squizz suggested that an under 18 thread be opened and hopefully active all season where posters who have attended a game are encouraged to post a short paragraph on the match / outstanding players / or anything else of interest.

 

[Luke_sainters]

2016 whose fighting for a spot
Curren, Lee, Pierce (potentially), Shenton Gilbert, Saunders?

Need to show something - Wright, Murdoch, Minchington, Ross, Acres, Templeton.

FA - Geary out of contract - if we could get a guaranteed start of second I'd take it. Pick 25-30 for an B grade 28yo sounds good to me.

RE-SIGN ASAP - Bruce, McCartin, Longer.

Potential Retirees - Riewoldt (need him as long as possible), Montagna (need him as long as possible), Fisher almost certain to hang them up, + Dempster (hope he keeps going)

Free Agency: Only player worth looking at is Steele Sidebottom, maybe Rich depending on his 2016 season

Out of Contract - GWS talent, GC O'Meara i'm sure theres more.

 

[Kildonan]

I always have a problem getting into the "who to sack" talk, just as I do with the trade talk offering our players (especially as the steak knives) in order to get a hypothetical trade through. I see that a lot of people love these hypothetical trades and I can see why - but it also leaves me feeling disloyal thinking of trading one of my "family" away without at least seeing if that is something they would be interested in.

There were a lot of trade proposals where players were thrown in as part of a trade which either devalued them, or disregarded their own interests.

I wonder how those players would feel if they read this forum and saw how some of their fans thought of them

 

[Kildonan]

Thread for father/son. thread for free agents, (that will be a popular thread next year), thread for trading (O'Meara etc), thread for our 1st pick, thread for our later picks and so on.

Better to try to split the threads out - maybe have a thread labelled off topic draft where mods can put all the off topic rubbish that we all sprout, (no doubt at the time it was thought as wise)!!!!

Do we have any potential father / son picks coming through in 2016?
I'm sure that would sustain some initial interest and keep us up to date with potential draftees over the next few years

 

[Nutsngum]

If people post in the appropriate thread, this will end up being less work rather than more.

I just think youre fighting a losing battle here as every other time sub threads have been tried they always seem to peter out after a while as people go back to the main thread.
I think that singular threads for major events might be a better compromise. Say massive trade news and the like, splitting at that point until it becomes old news can keep people pretty up to date.

I always have a problem getting into the "who to sack" talk, just as I do with the trade talk offering our players (especially as the steak knives) in order to get a hypothetical trade through. I see that a lot of people love these hypothetical trades and I can see why - but it also leaves me feeling disloyal thinking of trading one of my "family" away without at least seeing if that is something they would be interested in.

There were a lot of trade proposals where players were thrown in as part of a trade which either devalued them, or disregarded their own interests.

I wonder how those players would feel if they read this forum and saw how some of their fans thought of them

Agreed, I really hate this kind of talk. At the end of the day these are still guys who are basically being fired from their job for not being the 1%. Its why I despise the term "list clogger" as if they had no right to be drafted in the first place. Its time to back the players we have and see how far they can go rather then thinking of who we can cast off for another first round pick.

 

[sammm]

There seems to be two main schools of thought on this. One school wants to keep everything in one thread and have it all there to read in on giant longitudinal discussion.
The other school recognises that the posts of interest to them are quickly buried within pages and pages of material that is difficult to read through. These posters often give up trying to read it all, they fall behind or miss the posts they were looking for and beg for someone who is constantly up to date to post a summary post. Those persons who are constantly up to date seem reluctant to post summaries.

If people post in the appropriate thread, this will end up being less work rather than more.

Another thought: Squizz suggested that an under 18 thread be opened and hopefully active all season where posters who have attended a game are encouraged to post a short paragraph on the match / outstanding players / or anything else of interest.

I like Squizz idea, as I never get to an under 18 game.

 

[saintbatty]

Another thought: Squizz suggested that an under 18 thread be opened and hopefully active all season where posters who have attended a game are encouraged to post a short paragraph on the match / outstanding players / or anything else of interest.

I think this is a great idea.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Part of the complication is that none of these discussions happen in a vacuum - all of them intersect with each other. for example.

"So, who are we taking with our first pick, guys?"

"Dunno, it could be Jones, Smith, Black, or that White kid is pretty good."

"If we can get Biggs from GWS, we don't need White."

"There's no way we can get Biggs! we'd need to give up somebody like McKenzie for that to happen."

"Yeah, but if we're getting Small via FA, then we don't need McKenzie any more."

"That's true! And we'd still need to throw in a second rounder, but we're using that to get Voss as a FS."

You get the picture.

 

[Flandersss]

I say one big mega thread, to many threads otherwise.

 

[TheJackal]

I am in the one big thread team.

I find it difficult to distinguish between threads, eg, next year we discuss a free agent but getting that free agent impacts the pick we have or the currency we have to trade for currently contracted player who nominated us and therefore we are looking at a lesser pick to draft an U18 kid so discuss said U18 kid.

I think it all crosses over too often and I'd prefer to stick to the same place to not miss anything or get off track.

I agree that better summaries could be the way to go. Its too much for one person or even a few, but we could all chip in if we were scheduled in for a day here or there.

 

[Joffaboy]

I like the idea of temporary locked threads. Can get the topic off the main thread and the main thread can be reopened after the heat has died down

 

[SpannaMan]

Another thought: Squizz suggested that an under 18 thread be opened and hopefully active all season where posters who have attended a game are encouraged to post a short paragraph on the match / outstanding players / or anything else of interest.

This, a main mega thread for all of the typical discussion and a thread which only has key post rumors like when we get bits of information from ITK's or an external article/twitter post with critical information (that was the original purpose of the summary thread anyway right?). That way those of us who work don't have to trawl through 10 pages to find that one post which started all the discussion.

EDIT: maybe also a thread for 'trade scenarios'. Basically for all those posts where people talk about what they want to happen in the trade period and then how the team will look afterwards. Its always good to go back through those and people keep referencing their old ones anyway so may as well have it all in one spot.

 

[Flandersss]

This, a main mega thread for all of the typical discussion and a thread which only has key post rumors like when we get bits of information from ITK's or an external article/twitter post with critical information (that was the original purpose of the summary thread anyway right?). That way those of us who work don't have to trawl through 10 pages to find that one post which started all the discussion.

+1.

 

[hayes]

No point in having a seperate thread for trade/draft talk. We've tried it before and it always just ends up being merged.

One thread for trade and draft talk and one for FA talk should do the trick. TBH I can probably see them being merged eventually.

 

[StFly]

Could simply maintain the status quo with slight a addendum.

1 thread for general discussion be it rumours, FA or otherwise in the sense of keeping things centralised.
1 thread for key point information.

Mods then only need to prune info thread, info thread then gets updated by individual with info who then duplicates post in general thread for discussion pertaining to.

You then have succinct thread for people to keep updated on D&T matters during the D&T, and thread for people to speculate and otherwise discuss possibilities openly.

Squiz's idea has merit, but as I've noticed anyway, it'd be pretty much filled with TAC / VFL, as other leagues are pretty much dead talk wise, so would be fishbowled and probably more for the players sub board maybe?