List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Discussion (cont in Pt 2)

[gringo2011]

I appear to be one of the few who wants to draft Constable. I know this view has little support.

I’m a novice and inexpert at judging young talent, but this lad is a footballer and not an athlete.

He gets the ball and uses it effectively. His endurance & fitness appears to need a lot of work but he has the tools to play the game. Give me a footballer any day.

I think we’ll regret passing on him.

Mick Malthouse's nephew, even if he's good I don't want him.

 

[Marlo]

I appear to be one of the few who wants to draft Constable. I know this view has little support.

I’m a novice and inexpert at judging young talent, but this lad is a footballer and not an athlete.

He gets the ball and uses it effectively. His endurance & fitness appears to need a lot of work but he has the tools to play the game. Give me a footballer any day.

I think we’ll regret passing on him.

After watching his highlights, I was confused why he wasn't considered top 10. Reads the play with ease, has all the natural movements of a clearance beast, and looks like one of the better kicks. Some of those sweeping kicks were actually quite gnarly.

 

[gringo2011]

He's a different type to Lenny though, as Lenny had the elite candy-sell and pinpoint kicking on both feet, whereas at this stage Steele pretty much only tackles and handballs. Needs to start kicking it more and getting more of it outside the packs and gaining more meterage (which I'm backing him to do with another full preseason or two under his belt). Better mark than Lenny tho.

Yeah, I love what he brings but can't tell where he ends up. I think he's got the ability to be a Jack Ziebell type of bull with excellent tackling technique and ability to impact the score board. His pace is a bit slow but he seems to be a pretty clever player so finds the right spots to run to.

 

[Grav]

I appear to be one of the few who wants to draft Constable. I know this view has little support.

I’m a novice and inexpert at judging young talent, but this lad is a footballer and not an athlete.

He gets the ball and uses it effectively. His endurance & fitness appears to need a lot of work but he has the tools to play the game. Give me a footballer any day.

I think we’ll regret passing on him.

I personally think the way he stands tall in tackles, with his hands clear to get the ball to teammates, will help the likes of Steele, Ross, Steven etc have more room. Therefore putting us in the position of more outside run, big fan.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Consistency of his kicking, he's sublime or awful at times from what I can tell. His hand balling is amazing though and his twisting and turning out of tackles is snake like. There is something special about him, he's like a faster flashier Jack Steele with bits of Lenny and Roberton and a big ego. He comes across as a very front foot type player who almost over does attacking. He seems to go forward quickly and avoids the safer options of chipping backwards and sideways.

A bit Farren-Ray like then in a lot of ways (but a more inside and hard version obviously).

Farren was extremely dual-sided and snake-like, and he could do very good low passes and was very proficient on his left, but also missed a lot of targets, especially into the forward 50. Both also excellent marks of the footy, with Farren also being extremely brave going back with the flight, or waiting in front of a descending pack.

 

[St Kilda Death]

The piece of play I was talking about when he runs the full length of the field to set up a goal while linking is in this video at 2.10. He actually kicks out and runs to just outside the forward 50 and kicks it to Sam Hayes. If that doesn't translate to what we want nothing does.

I think im in love.

Hey Joffaboy any seats left on the hunter bandwagon?

If we can get Clark and Freeman into our midfield next year.... orgasmic.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I might be mistaken but didn't the candy-sell come into lennys game in his mid to late 20s?

Different types yes but i see the same sort of heart in steele that lenny had.

I'm pretty sure Lenny always had the candy-sell, presumably due to having played rugby in NSW when younger. Gilbo also with a very good side-step and both of course with the fantastic rugby-tackles, like Steeley.

 

[St Neil]

After watching his highlights, I was confused why he wasn't considered top 10. Reads the play with ease, has all the natural movements of a clearance beast, and looks like one of the better kicks. Some of those sweeping kicks were actually quite gnarly.

I agree. When I watched this kid play I just couldn’t believe that he’s not in the conversation to be selected by us. He can really play.

But he isn’t an athlete. He’s not fast. He’s not flashy. But he does the simple things really well, time after time.

Sounds like a few other gems who were overlooked in previous drafts.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Yeah, I love what he brings but can't tell where he ends up. I think he's got the ability to be a Jack Ziebell type of bull with excellent tackling technique and ability to impact the score board. His pace is a bit slow but he seems to be a pretty clever player so finds the right spots to run to.

The amazing thing with Steele is that he ran a 3.00 sec 20m sprint at his combine, so he actually has speed there, and perhaps it will show up more when he has another preseason or two of fitness under his belt. Maybe like how Mav's speed just appeared out of no-where all of a sudden in that game against Richmond a couple of years ago, when he kicked that ripper goal on the run!

I'm really bullish about him though. He's already well ahead of the likes of Seb or Armo at the same age, and did it this year off a minimal preseason and in his first year playing midfield at AFL Level, so I reckon he's going to be bloody good by about 2019, once he's learned to win more clearances and is spreading and kicking more. Lots of scope for improvement there.

 

[St Neil]

I personally think the way he stands tall in tackles, with his hands clear to get the ball to teammates, will help the likes of Steele, Ross, Steven etc have more room. Therefore putting us in the position of more outside run, big fan.

I couldn’t agree more.

A lad who can regularly stand up in tackles and dish the ball off to advantage has real ability. It’s a skill that is very difficult to teach.

 

[triggering bro]

There must be a knock on him though, otherwise with all the positive attributes that he clearly has and the fantastic results/performances once he moved back into the midfield, he would surely be in the mix for pick 1, or at minimum a top 3-5 pick, just like the others around his size and output in Rayner, LDU, Dow, Cerra and Brayshaw are?

So why are they all in the mix for pick 1, or at worst 2, while Hunter's range is pretty clearly 7/8 and beyond, once all those guys are gone?

There must be something missing, and despite his kicking sometimes/often being described as a strength, it's also the thing that the likes of BA mention as the knock.

Some were making the excuse that his KE was very poor this year because he's used to playing off HB and having lots of space and time to dispose of the ball, but if what someone said earlier is true (that he's been playing midfield for 10 years and was only used across HB briefly this year because of a minor injury), then that doesn't really fly, and his KE of as low as 40% or whatever it was is a genuine concern, and would presumably be why he's not in the same conversation as the likes of LDU/Rayner/Dow/Cerra/Brayshaw.

I also remember seeing someone "ITK" say that some clubs have a bit of a doubt as to whether he'll be able to bulk up enough to play inside at AFL level, which was interesting. Not something I see as an issue personally tho.

The only knock I’ve heard is since Clark was moved into the midfield his disposal efficiency took a considerable hit, which when he played down back was his point of difference being highly skilled & duel sided.

If anything he looks like an all rounder similarly to Brayshaw. They both do everything well but dont have an elite trait that really stands out & smacks you in the face like Dow & LDU with their power at stoppages & Cerra with his sublime touch & skills in the contest.

Farren Ray is a very good comparison. Clark similarly to Ray seems to effortlessly eat up territory with the laconic but long strides he makes when running with the footy. Ray probably a better mark, Clark a better decision maker who looks to lower his eyes more often than not & spot up shorter targets.

I reckon right now odds would have two Dandy Stingrays kids being selected at 7 & 8 - I feel it’s almost time to roll out the welcome mat to Clark & Bonar.

 

[Marlo]

I couldn’t agree more.

A lad who can regularly stand up in tackles and dish the ball off to advantage has real ability. It’s a skill that is very difficult to teach.

I personally think the way he stands tall in tackles, with his hands clear to get the ball to teammates, will help the likes of Steele, Ross, Steven etc have more room. Therefore putting us in the position of more outside run, big fan.

Opening up the play by drilling 70 metre drop punts can certainly compete with "run & carry". One of the reasons why Billings is so tempting to persist with on ball. The ability and confidence to let that kick rip.

 

[Sunnyjim]

Am I the only one who sees a lot of Lenny Hayes in Hunter Clark or have I just been living under a rock and not noticed people saying the same thing. Hard as nails, generals the mid and can create plays from across the ground and go forward and snag a goal. Even has the famed side step. Would not be disappointed at all about him but who does he replace in the team and your think if we get Clark then we definitely get bonar or steohenson

 

[Ekomaira]

has there been any indication at who we might be looking at from Jaxon?

under a week to go. and because days only go for like 10 minutes these days it's pretty much tomorrow

 

[Hayes4PM]

Cerra and Coffield/Bonar/Clark is my new semi-possible preference. Some quality skills in there from what I can tell.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

I appear to be one of the few who wants to draft Constable. I know this view has little support.

I’m a novice and inexpert at judging young talent, but this lad is a footballer and not an athlete.

He gets the ball and uses it effectively. His endurance & fitness appears to need a lot of work but he has the tools to play the game. Give me a footballer any day.

I think we’ll regret passing on him.

I really like Constable as a player, he can find it like few can but treacle slow insiders are definitely last on our list of needs.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

The only knock I’ve heard is since Clark was moved into the midfield his disposal efficiency took a considerable hit, which when he played down back was his point of difference being highly skilled & duel sided.

If anything he looks like an all rounder similarly to Brayshaw. They both do everything well but dont have an elite trait that really stands out & smacks you in the face like Dow & LDU with their power at stoppages & Cerra with his sublime touch & skills in the contest.

Farren Ray is a very good comparison. Clark similarly to Ray seems to effortlessly eat up territory with the laconic but long strides he makes when running with the footy. Ray probably a better mark, Clark a better decision maker who looks to lower his eyes more often than not & spot up shorter targets.

I reckon right now odds would have two Dandy Stingrays kids being selected at 7 & 8 - I feel it’s almost time to roll out the welcome mat to Clark & Bonar.

Elite ripping post.

 

[CHBench]

Bit of elaboration behind the whole "first reconstruction didn't take".

D’Orazio — who has half of this year’s top-10 prospects — listened, and when Bonar’s knee went again, he called top surgeon Julian Feller.

Bonar first went under the knife of a local surgeon using a hamstring graft.

Feller used the patella tendon and Bonar knew it was a better operation.

“The next morning you wake up from surgery and actually have to walk around, and it felt a lot better,” he said.

His rehabilitation was also different — Bonar picked a new personal trainer and did four intensive sessions per week.

Every Wednesday after school, Bonar would bounce on a trampoline for an hour and 45 minutes. Each jump produced more strength and power in his legs.

He did three months of gymnastics and worked on his running with Olympian Craig Mottram at Haileybury.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/98d5fbdcc1c210fe746b2951e8db1a76

 

[George]

Cerra & Brayshaw
OR
Clark & Brayshaw
OR
Cerra & Clark

Nothing else will be acceptable.

 

[triggering bro]

Does anyone know if the draft is being shown live of the afl site or only Foxtel?

 

[Flandersss]

Does anyone know if the draft is being shown live of the afl site or only Foxtel?

Both.

I watched Gresh get drafted on my phone. Surely the same every year.

 

[RDFLNUT]

Exciting times ahead.

I reckon Clark will be taken at 7, 8 I’m still not sure but there is some elite talent available so I’m very happy !!

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

Cerra & Brayshaw
OR
Clark & Brayshaw
OR
Cerra & Clark

Nothing else will be acceptable.

I think you’ll be disappointed then George. Can’t see any situation at all where either Cerra or Brayshaw are available at pick 7. Would have to be a miracle.

 

[aussierulesrules]

The only knock I’ve heard is since Clark was moved into the midfield his disposal efficiency took a considerable hit, which when he played down back was his point of difference being highly skilled & duel sided.

If anything he looks like an all rounder similarly to Brayshaw. They both do everything well but dont have an elite trait that really stands out & smacks you in the face like Dow & LDU with their power at stoppages & Cerra with his sublime touch & skills in the contest.

Farren Ray is a very good comparison. Clark similarly to Ray seems to effortlessly eat up territory with the laconic but long strides he makes when running with the footy. Ray probably a better mark, Clark a better decision maker who looks to lower his eyes more often than not & spot up shorter targets.

I reckon right now odds would have two Dandy Stingrays kids being selected at 7 & 8 - I feel it’s almost time to roll out the welcome mat to Clark & Bonar.

I reckon it's extraordinarily hard to predict who we'll take, given that we're being linked to pretty much everyone who is likely to go in the 4-12ish range and so much of it is likely to depend on who goes in the top 6.

If one of North, Collingwood, or Freo go with a Naughton/Fogarty/Murphy/Bonar then one of Cerra, Brayshaw or Stephenson are almost certain to be available, and you'd think we'd grab them (if JS has passed the medical etc) and that's before taking into account Coffield, who we've been linked to so much.

I'm also not sure we really need both Bon and Hunter, either, as they both look best suited to me on the inside and we're already pretty strong there (3rd for clearance differential) and likely to get a lot stronger, with Stuv, Seb, Armo/Koby, Steele, Dunstan and potentially Acres, Freeman and Gresh.

If we see Coffield playing wing it would probably make more sense pairing him up (if available) with one of those two, or maybe wing's where we see Murphy playing, and that's why we're keen on him.

As for HC, it's a weird one, with him being talked up so much for his kicking by so many, but then it also being the knock that sees him only likely to go after those other 5 are taken. I think Brayshaw's kicking is probably considered better by the clubs, hence him a chance of going as high as pick 1, while Hunter doesn't look like going until at least 7/8.

I think Hunter's kicking efficiency was as low as about 40% once he started playing midfield, which is alarmingly poor, whereas Brayshaw for instance went at 100% KE in his two champs games.

Having not seen enough of his poor kicking, I'm not really in a position to comment on it, but as a package there's heaps to like and I love the way he goes about it, so if we get him I'll be very much looking forward to watching his career.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The amazing thing with Steele is that he ran a 3.00 sec 20m sprint at his combine, so he actually has speed there, and perhaps it will show up more when he has another preseason or two of fitness under his belt. Maybe like how Mav's speed just appeared out of no-where all of a sudden in that game against Richmond a couple of years ago, when he kicked that ripper goal on the run!

I'm really bullish about him though. He's already well ahead of the likes of Seb or Armo at the same age, and did it this year off a minimal preseason and in his first year playing midfield at AFL Level, so I reckon he's going to be bloody good by about 2019, once he's learned to win more clearances and is spreading and kicking more. Lots of scope for improvement there.

None of the others have had anywhere near the level of contested possessions Steele has had on a couple of occasions.