Opinion 2017 Draft Discussion - Pick 3 - Poll added

[Captain crippa]

Yes, an immediate net loss in terms of midfield quality, but what could be/should be/ will be a huge gain long term.

I just brought up the name Graham for the sake of the argument. Not going to suggest he'll be a great player and not even one that could be better than Macreadie, but again, opportunity weighs in heavily to development. Generally speaking, the more time you have to play senior football, somehow the better one becomes.

Only the experts would know this but I still believe Kennedy in equates to Gibbs out
He’s young and would want to smash it next year and Cripps helping with ed
Watch out

 

[HBF]

I'd be happy with any combo that gives us Brayshaw @ #10, but doubt that may come about.

Select the players that serve an immediate need and ones that Bolton can extract the most out of. That makes for a good combination.

Would you take Brayshaw at 3?

 

[HARKER]

Only the experts would know this but I still believe Kennedy in equates to Gibbs out
He’s young and would want to smash it next year and Cripps helping with ed
Watch out

Then we got a pick 10, a pick upgrade and a future second for free.
Boy did we do well

 

[HARKER]

Would you take Brayshaw at 3?

From here? I wouldn't complain.
Reckon that along with Dow, they're exactly what we need........from this draft, at least.

 

[Captain crippa]

Then we got a pick 10, a pick upgrade and a future second for free.
Boy did we do well

Would pick 3 and 10 be reserved for mids though?
Or a hybrid like ray ray Rayner?

 

[Captain crippa]

Would you take Brayshaw at 3?

I’m not (bray) Shaw

 

[HBF]

From here? I wouldn't complain.
Reckon that along with Dow, they're exactly what we need........from this draft, at least.

I've been on Rayner for most of the year, but really warming to Dow and Brayshaw. At the end of the day we'll get a good player at 3.

 

[Soapy V]

Would pick 3 and 10 be reserved for mids though?
Or a hybrid like ray ray Rayner?

I reckon it’s mids with good ball use. With Rayner it depends if SOS and co see him as a mid. Can’t see them using Pick 3 on a medium HF.

 

[Sector 7G]

Then we got a pick 10, a pick upgrade and a future second for free.
Boy did we do well

While it was a great deal, you keep forgetting the pick downgrades next year.

 

[Stamos]

I reckon it’s mids with good ball use. With Rayner it depends if SOS and co see him as a mid. Can’t see them using Pick 3 on a medium HF.

Depends if the medium HF is the best player in the draft

 

[HARKER]

While it was a great deal, you keep forgetting the pick downgrades next year.

It should be a downgrade, but I can't state as fact that it will be. What if it becomes an upgrade? Unlikely but...........

 

[Soapy V]

Depends if the medium HF is the best player in the draft

Hard to see a HF as best player imo

 

[Stamos]

Hard to see a HF as best player imo

Maybe, but it's possible

 

[ParapMarkets]

Still don't get this "best combination" concept that people are debating. The draft is not a game of school yard footy where 2 captains are nominated then they select who they think is the best player on that day, such a short term concept.

I could be wrong, but I think SOS would have these kids listed from 1 - 90ish, in ratings(based on the player they will become, rather than the immediate impact to the side), then just cross them off as they are selected (Macreadie is a prime example)

Exactly. Going forward we are only going to get so many top 10 picks, we can’t stuff around with these picks worrying about combinations, this where we end up picking inferior talent. Sure, we won’t be selecting a key back, but otherwise these 2 picks will be best available.

This draft, whilst very important, isn’t our end game in terms of our rebuild. There will be many more trade/draft scenarios which provide us opportunity to recruit quality mids.

Having said all that, I hope we do get a quality mid with one of the picks. It is sounding like Brisbane are leaning towards Rayner, if this happens we will end up with Cerra or Dow with pick 3.

 

[Captain crippa]

Exactly. Going forward we are only going to get so many top 10 picks, we can’t stuff around with these picks worrying about combinations, this where we end up picking inferior talent. Sure, we won’t be selecting a key back, but otherwise these 2 picks will be best available.

This draft, whilst very important, isn’t our end game in terms of our rebuild. There will be many more trade/draft scenarios which provide us opportunity to recruit quality mids.

Having said all that, I hope we do get a quality mid with one of the picks. It is sounding like Brisbane are leaning towards Rayner, if this happens we will end up with Cerra or Dow with pick 3.

Trading in good players always kills a club imo unless they’re at window
Draft our own and make them a champs is my theory then top 4 go shopping

 

[echowarrior3000]

I am not really a "huge fan" . In fact this years bunch to me is a bit underwhelming. But I cant for the life of me understand how a good player has been so widely dismissed due to a flawed test such as the beep and without further information -because the said player missed the latest combine.

Doesn't Billy Hartung hold the record for the beep test? Look at how he's turned out so far at AFL level. Just because Rayner is weak in this area doesn't mean he'll be a dud.

 

[Soapy V]

Maybe, but it's possible

Possible but I would be very surprised that SOS would pick him at 3 if he didn't think he could become a mid.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Doesn't Billy Hartung hold the record for the beep test? Look at how he's turned out so far at AFL level. Just because Rayner is weak in this area doesn't mean he'll be a dud.

You can be an elite athlete and a rubbish footballer, but you can't be a poor athlete & an elite footballer.

Delistees far more relevant than Hartung would be Ben Lennon, Tom Lamb

 

[ParapMarkets]

Trading in good players always kills a club imo unless they’re at window
Draft our own and make them a champs is my theory then top 4 go shopping

What if I replaced “trade” with free agency? Dylan Shiel as a fa would compliment our list very nicely. I get your point but we shouldn’t be desperate for a mid in this draft as if this is our last chance.

 

[echowarrior3000]

You can be an elite athlete and a rubbish footballer, but you can't be a poor athlete & an elite footballer.

Delistees far more relevant than Hartung would be Ben Lennon, Tom Lamb

Greg Williams was a poor athlete. Didn't he get rejected by a number of clubs including Carlton for his lack of athletic ability?

 

[Doro]

Hard to see a HF as best player imo

Ablett Sr began as a HF as did James Hird. The lay of the land isn't always going to be the sensible option. Talent and attitude please.

 

[Pafloyul]

You can be an elite athlete and a rubbish footballer, but you can't be a poor athlete & an elite footballer.

Delistees far more relevant than Hartung would be Ben Lennon, Tom Lamb

It depends what position you play and how you can utilise what you have. Greg Williams springs to mind but that's another era, I suppose.

 

[Soapy V]

Ablett Sr began as a HF as did James Hird. The lay of the land isn't always going to be the sensible option. Talent and attitude please.

Different game now although I agree about talent and attitude.

 

[Captain crippa]

What if I replaced “trade” with free agency? Dylan Shiel as a fa would compliment our list very nicely. I get your point but we shouldn’t be desperate for a mid in this draft as if this is our last chance.

I get your point but what is stopping is drafting the next Shiel with 3 or 10?
Bolton I’d guess knows what it takes to develop with his time at the Hawks etc being a great teacher

 

[ParapMarkets]

It depends what position you play and how you can utilise what you have. Greg Williams springs to mind but that's another era, I suppose.

Sam Mitchell probably fits your category here.