List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Royal Doulton]

Here is an interesting one for you RD. I wonder whether Bonar or even Stephenson might still be available at pick 16 because of concerns about, respectively, injury history and health?

There is a part of me that wants us to use pick 9 to wave the Stringer replacement trophy in the faces of Essendon and all the others. That is, D Fogarty or Bonar. Plus we have obviously a need for a versatile marking forward, someone who can play FF or on a flank, deep or high. If Fogarty or Bonar are gone, Sticky Fingers Murphy at 188cm and 85kg has caught my imagination and I don't think draft watchers will call it a reach by now.

Then there is another part of me wants us to use pick 9 on the best available genuine outside mid (pace & kicking skills) because we are a bit thin in that rank: Stephenson, Coffield, Clark all seem to meet that bill.

If we go the outside mid with 9, then I would like the club to mix it up a bit and go for the versatile marking forward with 16. But this is where it gets tricky. Murphy may be available but it thins out from there unless Balta is deemed to have the mobility to be such a forward. Your suggestion of McCartin is very interesting.

If we go the versatile marking forward with 9, then outside mids available are not quite as impressive as the ones around pick 9. L Fogarty looks good but is on the smaller side (not sure if that matters or counts for anything with a player who is selected to be an outside mid), O'Brien is a bit more robust and seems to be higher rated but his whole game videos are a mixed bag, I found - he looks great in one, in the other he has what looked to me a pretty ordinary game - clangers and hot potatos. Zac Bailey is an average kick.

When I did my mock draft the other day, I found myself taking D Fogarty and Bonar. It is not implausible that both could be available. But is that overdoing it?

Agree with all of that...

I dont think both D.Fogarty & A.Bonar is overdoing it as I rate them both very highly... in fact I believe they may most likely both be gone by 9.

Both would eventually be Mids but only after earning their senior stripes for a year or two - Bonar as Fwd & Fogarty as a back

I do like the look of Murphy too.. but I honestly rate him 12+ so we may overlook at 9.. but I do much prefer him to Coffield...

Not that keen on talk of Naughton.. his kicking action made me grimace and I honestly believe Brander is a better prospect and more highly skilled.

You make a good point regarding combination of the player type for 9 & 16..
i.e. Mid Bull at 9, Outside Skill/Pressure or Aerial at 16..

Reason I mentioned Tom McCartin is I feel Dal might well see him as another Bont type reach and develop into Mid/Wing.. rather than current KP... his running is meant to be approaching elite after interrupted development.
He is is still to do Yr.12 next year so would be a slow burn.. but upside could be very high and would not be suprised if we drop a bombshell.

L.Fogarty will be gone by 16.. Bris would be assured to take at him at 15 if they take Raynor at 1...

Similarly LDU & Bonar are very close mates.. so wouldnt suprise to see Freo 2/5 combo to mitigate go home factor.

Stephensonis a very interesting one... I still think he'll be gone by 9.. but if he is available then I think he is too good to pass up.

I really hope Naughton is taken at 5/6, or Coffield at 6/7/8 as many seem to suggest so that a more 'preferred' player slips to 9..


Cant wait for next Friday....
Wish they did it earlier...

Also hope next year pick bidding is part of a televised draft on the back of trade week...

This is getting bigger every year and we will surely head down the NFL route of making it a primetime event..

 

[Charlie Bucket]

That's the selling point for me too. He just doesn't lose a contest in the vision I've seen, and when he gets hands to the ball it's a foregone conclusion that the mark will stick. Combine that with his ball use and his ability to play multiple positions and I really don't think 9 is as much of a stretch as it has been made out to be in this draft.

That's the point of a "highlights" package. Wouldn't be too many clips of the draftees where they're dropping marks, shanking kicks on the full, missing tackles etc.

 

[Yojimbo]

Similarly LDU & Bonar are very close mates.. so wouldnt suprise to see Freo 2/5 combo to mitigate go home factor.

What if they both want to go home ?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

That's the point of a "highlights" package. Wouldn't be too many clips of the draftees where they're dropping marks, shanking kicks on the full, missing tackles etc.

I didn't say I'd only seen highlights packages.

Like I've said again and again, I haven't seen a tonne of the crop this year so my opinion isn't overly valuable, but I've seen a bit of Murphy and that's not just limited to highlight reels, FWIW.

 

[Yojimbo]

That's the point of a "highlights" package. Wouldn't be too many clips of the draftees where they're dropping marks, shanking kicks on the full, missing tackles etc.

You did not watch Patrick Naish versus the Allies, 6 minutes of yuck !

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

1. Brisbane - Cam Rayner
2. Fremantle - Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Carlton - Paddy Dow
4. North Melbourne - Adam Cerra
5. Fremantle - Andrew Brayshaw
6. Collingwood - Aaron Naughton
7. St Kilda - Aiden Bonar
8. St Kilda - Hunter Clark
9. Western Bulldogs - Nathan Murphy
10. Carlton - Darcy Fogarty
11. GWS - Jarrod Brander
12. Adelaide - Nick Coffield
13. West Coast - Oscar Allen
14. Sydney - Charlie Constable
15. Brisbane - Jack Higgins
16. Western Bulldogs - Ed Richards
17. Richmond - Lochie O'Brien
18. Brisbane - Lachlan Fogarty
19. Gold Coast - Jaidyn Stephenson
20. Richmond - Noah Balta
...
79. Western Bulldogs - Billy Gowers

Reckon this is roughly where the whispers are leading. I still see it as being unlikely Stephenson gets that far but that seems to be what's happening. Maybe a few spots earlier but outside the top ten is sounding like a likelihood. I don't know the reason for it but it's becoming pretty prevalent.

 

[Leviticus]

1. Brisbane - Cam Rayner
2. Fremantle - Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Carlton - Paddy Dow
4. North Melbourne - Adam Cerra
5. Fremantle - Andrew Brayshaw
6. Collingwood - Aaron Naughton
7. St Kilda - Aiden Bonar
8. St Kilda - Hunter Clark
9. Western Bulldogs - Nathan Murphy
10. Carlton - Darcy Fogarty
11. GWS - Jarrod Brander
12. Adelaide - Nick Coffield
13. West Coast - Oscar Allen
14. Sydney - Charlie Constable
15. Brisbane - Jack Higgins
16. Western Bulldogs - Ed Richards
17. Richmond - Lochie O'Brien
18. Brisbane - Lachlan Fogarty
19. Gold Coast - Jaidyn Stephenson
20. Richmond - Noah Balta
...
79. Western Bulldogs - Billy Gowers

Reckon this is roughly where the whispers are leading. I still see it as being unlikely Stephenson gets that far but that seems to be what's happening. Maybe a few spots earlier but outside the top ten is sounding like a likelihood. I don't know the reason for it but it's becoming pretty prevalent.

Forgot Richards in my post earlier this morning. He looks a likely mid type, beautiful long kick. Would be happy if he went #16.

 

[JAMES_B_101]

1. Brisbane - Cam Rayner
2. Fremantle - Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Carlton - Paddy Dow
4. North Melbourne - Adam Cerra
5. Fremantle - Andrew Brayshaw
6. Collingwood - Aaron Naughton
7. St Kilda - Aiden Bonar
8. St Kilda - Hunter Clark
9. Western Bulldogs - Nathan Murphy
10. Carlton - Darcy Fogarty
11. GWS - Jarrod Brander
12. Adelaide - Nick Coffield
13. West Coast - Oscar Allen
14. Sydney - Charlie Constable
15. Brisbane - Jack Higgins
16. Western Bulldogs - Ed Richards
17. Richmond - Lochie O'Brien
18. Brisbane - Lachlan Fogarty
19. Gold Coast - Jaidyn Stephenson
20. Richmond - Noah Balta
...
79. Western Bulldogs - Billy Gowers

Reckon this is roughly where the whispers are leading. I still see it as being unlikely Stephenson gets that far but that seems to be what's happening. Maybe a few spots earlier but outside the top ten is sounding like a likelihood. I don't know the reason for it but it's becoming pretty prevalent.

Would have to be his heart issue that's scaring clubs off and it's honestly one of those situations where either clubs aren't worried about it so they pick him early or they are worried about it so don't pick him at all. Outside of the top five I can't see him being taken with a club's second pick. If it isn't his heart then there would have to be a major concern over him ever bulking up enough to take his game to the next level but Will Hayward went early with similar question marks. Lastly and I highly doubt this but his kicking action may be cause for concern. I don't see why any AFL club would not take a chance on fixing this if it were the case given everything else he offers. I really hope his heart problem isn't career threatening/life threatening if he plays at the elite level given that he's been one of the most exciting u18 prospects to watch this year.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

1. Brisbane - Cam Rayner
2. Fremantle - Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Carlton - Paddy Dow
4. North Melbourne - Adam Cerra
5. Fremantle - Andrew Brayshaw
6. Collingwood - Aaron Naughton
7. St Kilda - Aiden Bonar
8. St Kilda - Hunter Clark
9. Western Bulldogs - Nathan Murphy
10. Carlton - Darcy Fogarty
11. GWS - Jarrod Brander
12. Adelaide - Nick Coffield
13. West Coast - Oscar Allen
14. Sydney - Charlie Constable
15. Brisbane - Jack Higgins
16. Western Bulldogs - Ed Richards
17. Richmond - Lochie O'Brien
18. Brisbane - Lachlan Fogarty
19. Gold Coast - Jaidyn Stephenson
20. Richmond - Noah Balta
...
79. Western Bulldogs - Billy Gowers

Reckon this is roughly where the whispers are leading. I still see it as being unlikely Stephenson gets that far but that seems to be what's happening. Maybe a few spots earlier but outside the top ten is sounding like a likelihood. I don't know the reason for it but it's becoming pretty prevalent.

So strange about Stephenson, must be the heart? Also I'm worried Collingwood or St Kilda take Murphy, since it looks like Coffield (and as mentioned, Stephenson) will be passed over by us, he's the only one left linked to us at 9 I'd be excited about. Besides maybe Bonar.

 

[Wizard17]

Depends on how bad the problem with Stephenson's heart is. If it is just someone that is minor and can be managed easily I doubt he will fall that far.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Depends on how bad the problem with Stephenson's heart is. If it is just someone that is minor and can be managed easily I doubt he will fall that far.

The thing that doesn't add up for me is that if it were severe, he would be withdrawing from the draft or not being picked at all, but plenty of players have excelled with minor heart abnormalities which would make that a strange reason for basically every club to pass on him.

My best guess is that it's a condition that doesn't put him at any risk presently, but it could cause issues further down the track. If that's the case clubs will be really cautious but somebody will still take him at some point and manage him carefully.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

He's also elite endurance so doesn't seem likely the heart issue is that big a deal

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

So strange about Stephenson, must be the heart? Also I'm worried Collingwood or St Kilda take Murphy, since it looks like Coffield (and as mentioned, Stephenson) will be passed over by us, he's the only one left linked to us at 9 I'd be excited about. Besides maybe Bonar.

Reckon we go D Fogarty in that case but just a hunch.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Another possibility with Stephenson is that clubs have had concerns with him all year (potentially physique, character, off-field, kicking action, etc) and he has in essence been overrated by the media/casual draft watchers throughout the season. This heart issue popping up at the same time the "whispers" catch up could simply be a coincidence. Just spitballing.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Reckon we go D Fogarty in that case but just a hunch.

I could get on board with that. Don't hate me Gollo.

Preference at this stage though would be

1. Murphy
2. Bonar
3. Fogarty

Out of those we could potentially take at 9. Assuming Coffield and Stephenson we pass on as mentioned, and that they think it's too early for Richards (otherwise he'd be after Murphy for me).

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I could get on board with that. Don't hate me Gollo.

Preference at this stage though would be

1. Murphy
2. Bonar
3. Fogarty

Out of those we could potentially take at 9. Assuming Coffield and Stephenson we pass on as mentioned, and that they think it's too early for Richards (otherwise he'd be after Murphy for me).

Here's a crazy scenario that I think is unrealistic but also backed by rumour:

1. Brisbane - Rayner
2. Fremantle - LDU
3. Carlton - Dow
4. North - Fogarty
5. Fremantle - Naughton
6. Collingwood - Murphy

Where it goes from there is anybody's guess as St Kilda will choose two of Clark, Bonar, Cerra, Brayshaw and Coffield. Would throw every mock draft into chaos.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Here's a crazy scenario that I think is unrealistic but also backed by rumour:

1. Brisbane - Rayner
2. Fremantle - LDU
3. Carlton - Dow
4. North - Fogarty
5. Fremantle - Naughton
6. Collingwood - Murphy

Where it goes from there is anybody's guess as St Kilda will choose two of Clark, Bonar, Cerra, Brayshaw and Coffield. Would throw every mock draft into chaos.

The Naughton to Freo rumours have gone pretty cold (and weren't that strong to begin with I reckon) so I can't see that happening. Murphy to Collingwood persists but really hoping they like Naughton more. Brayshaw seems a top 5 lock at this point but Saints would cream if he was there at 7. Who knows though? Can't wait until those mail-heavy final phantoms start dropping so we actually start getting an accurate picture, there's always some surprises. I was just thinking L. Fogarty to us at 9 might have legs, considering he's coming to the draft.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Can't wait until those mail-heavy final phantoms start dropping so we actually start getting an accurate picture, there's always some surprises.

It'll be interesting to see how close the phantoms are without Quayle in the picture. Twomey still hasn't caught on re: Murphy while it seems the rest of the world has, for example. Still expecting Naish to go top 15 while most have cooled off on that. Etc. I have a hunch that the accuracy of everybody's mocks will go down with Quayle now out of the industry.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

It'll be interesting to see how close the phantoms are without Quayle in the picture. Twomey still hasn't caught on re: Murphy while it seems the rest of the world has, for example. Still expecting Naish to go top 15 while most have cooled off on that. Etc. I have a hunch that the accuracy of everybody's mocks will go down with Quayle now out of the industry.

She really has left a hole, hey. Lift your game Twomey.

Oh well, might make the day itself a little more exciting.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Brett Anderson's mock draft due tomorrow apparently. First of the final mocks.

 

[iambrilliant]

Correct me if I’m wrong but is it going to be 3 years in a row now that Brisbane has stolen our man with 1 pick before us ? Sam skinner , cedrick Cox and this year looks like they are gonna snap up l.fogarty

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Correct me if I’m wrong but is it going to be 3 years in a row now that Brisbane has stolen our man with 1 pick before us ? Sam skinner , cedrick Cox and this year looks like they are gonna snap up l.fogarty

Haha I was thinking this the other day. They always seem to do it to us, surely it'll happen again. Could even be Stephenson.

 

[iambrilliant]

Haha I was thinking this the other day. They always seem to do it to us, surely it'll happen again. Could even be Stephenson.

I was spewing last year when they drafted cox and going to be just as spewing this year when they draft Fogarty haha

 

[Leviticus]

Here's a crazy scenario that I think is unrealistic but also backed by rumour:

1. Brisbane - Rayner
2. Fremantle - LDU
3. Carlton - Dow
4. North - Fogarty
5. Fremantle - Naughton
6. Collingwood - Murphy

Where it goes from there is anybody's guess as St Kilda will choose two of Clark, Bonar, Cerra, Brayshaw and Coffield. Would throw every mock draft into chaos.

Collingwood supporter mate tells me that they are desperate for a quality KPB. Could they go Brander if Naughton is taken by Fremantle? My Collingwood mate reckons there is a lot of interest amongst supporters for Coffield because he has been likened to Pendlebury. Don't know if that influences their draft selectors.

 

[giblj]

Correct me if I’m wrong but is it going to be 3 years in a row now that Brisbane has stolen our man with 1 pick before us ? Sam skinner , cedrick Cox and this year looks like they are gonna snap up l.fogarty

Somehow they always end up with a pick just before us despite us never finishing anywhere near them on the ladder lol