List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Prospects

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

The one knightmare likend his kicking to was a young alex rance

I haven't seen a lot of Naughton but I disagree with this. Young Rance's primary issue was always decision making with the occasional side order of a horrendous shank, to my recollection. I think there is more fundamentally wrong with Naughton's kicking than there ever was with Rance's, personally.

 

[Mojorisin]

I haven't seen a lot of Naughton but I disagree with this. Young Rance's primary issue was always decision making with the occasional side order of a horrendous shank, to my recollection. I think there is more fundamentally wrong with Naughton's kicking than there ever was with Rance's, personally.

I have no recollection of rance before he was drafted so will have to take your word for it.
Although Naughtons kicking isn't pretty it is effective. Just doesn't have that lace out pass or penetative kick. I think he wont get past the pies anyway. He is an interesting one as i see him either going at 5-6 or 15 onwards.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Looks like we're keeping our cards very close to our chest in terms of giving out info to journos etc. with our third pick, which means we're going to take a player completely out of left field, or go for a mature ager/delisted player so there's no point for our draft team putting a lot of analysing effort into the back end of the draft.

 

[dogzrule]

He got a few, but I take your point.



Well, maybe Cordy is the heir apparent for Morris's BP position. Fair enough. Takes him out of the congestion for a KPB position. If Adams goes forward (much as I like his work at FB), then it is still Young, Collins and Roberts in the KPB depth category. You need at least 2 fit every week. Perhaps all in all, not completely over loaded for KPB's if we took Naughton at pick 9.

You don’t look for depth players at pick 9, you look for match winners


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[VitalDread]

 

[Leviticus]

I am aware of that. He played a role but it’s not his best position. Imagine if you actually had a genuine CHF playing there who could actually kick goals.

Actually, I will take the argument up again. I was not for a second saying you or anyone else here did not know he was the Premiership CHF. Of course, not. But the point I was making is that I think he showed a lot in the most high pressure of games, he showed more than just playing a role. The only knock you could place on his performance (because he did kick quite a few goals in those 4 games) was that he was out-marked one-on-one a number of times. However, I think he is stronger in the body now and has improved his aerial technique and would present a greater challenge to out-mark in the forward line. I genuinely feel that he could make it as a KPF. Very good all round forward game.

But, yeah, he is the obvious replacement for the venerable Morris in the back line.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Looks like we're keeping our cards very close to our chest in terms of giving out info to journos etc. with our third pick, which means we're going to take a player completely out of left field, or go for a mature ager/delisted player so there's no point for our draft team putting a lot of analysing effort into the back end of the draft.

Think you’re reading a bit much into it. No-one has any idea who’ll be there at 79 so i doubt there’s much word to give. We might think we have someone sneaky up our sleeve only for another club to call him in the 40’s.

Talk of Naughton and Richards at 9 has me worried though.

 

[Leviticus]

You don’t look for depth players at pick 9, you look for match winners


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Wasn't saying Naughton would be selected for depth. He would be selected on the basis you put forward. The others become the depth players, perhaps water finding its own level.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Think you’re reading a bit much into it. No-one has any idea who’ll be there at 79 so i doubt there’s much word to give. We might think we have someone sneaky up our sleeve only for another club to call him in the 40’s.

Talk of Naughton and Richards at 9 has me worried though.

What you're saying is valid, but still, if we've shown a lot of interest in specific players through extended scouting, interviewing, fact finding etc. that sort of interest tends to leak unless a club makes a concerted effort to ensure it doesn't. The fact that it hasn't here says something imo.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

It was also in his first month or so in an afl system. He developed scarily fast over the year and has bearly hit puberty. I predict he will have the path of players of old that play their first year or 2 in defence and learn running patterns etc and then move forward, barry hall is the first to come to mind of recent history.

But calling him a forward or defender or whatever is a bit disingenuous for what Young was drafted for. He wasn't drafted because he performed in any one position in junior/state football, he was drafted as a pure athlete based on ranking highly in the SA state combine testing data. Once we drafted him as an athlete we were always going to mould him into the position of where he played well in the VFL because of the type of player he was, you could throw his previous footy positions out the window because they had relatively minimal relevancy to how he was going to perform at VFL/AFL level.

 

[VitalDread]

Brisbane Lions will draft Cameron Rayner at No.1. They held a long list meeting today and rank Rayner the best player. They are confident he will settle up north. Story @superfooty soon.

 

[footyfan000001]

Brisbane Lions will draft Cameron Rayner at No.1. They held a long list meeting today and rank Rayner the best player. They are confident he will settle up north. Story @superfooty soon.

1 Rayner
2 LDU
3 Dow
4 Brayshaw
5 Cerra
6 hopefully Naughton but pies linked heavily to Fogarty.

 

[Mutt]

Can someone please tell me who all of these gun key defenders are that we supposedly have?

Adams looks the goods but can't stay on the park.
Trengove is a proven tall defender. Not a gun but certainly AFL standard.
Roberts is barely AFL-standard despite being a Premiership player.
Collins is not yet and may never be AFL-standard.
Cordy is a third tall and can't stand a good key forward. Decent AFL player but not a gun key defender.
Young has shown promise but was monstered by the better key forwards. Might be better suited up forward or as a third tall defender as he is still quite slight of build.

So... AFL-standard key defenders...we have two. One of whom is no certainty to play each week due to foot injuries that take a long time to come good. And we may want to play Adams up forward anyway.

Why the angst about the possibility of taking a key defender if that's who Dalrymple rates as the best available?

 

[oneoffpost]

We just traded for a 20 year old former number 2 pick to play key forward. Not sure why we’d be considering swinging any of our key defenders before giving him every opportunity.
Naughton is a no from me whether he’s best available or not.
I have no idea about any of the kids but if there are any outside speedy types who can take a mark above there head. I’d be all over them.

 

[Doggy]

Since saints will pick coffield i hope he decides he wants to leave in a year or 2 to come to the dogs

 

[Leviticus]

We just traded for a 20 year old former number 2 pick to play key forward. Not sure why we’d be considering swinging any of our key defenders before giving him every opportunity.
Naughton is a no from me whether he’s best available or not.
I have no idea about any of the kids but if there are any outside speedy types who can take a mark above there head. I’d be all over them.

Could be room at the inn. Boyd/Roughead rucks changing at times in the forward line (other times off the bench), Schache FF/CHF...3rd tall CHF/FF...? Does Redpath have the spot sewn up? Maybe.

 

[dogwatch]

Since saints will pick coffield i hope he decides he wants to leave in a year or 2 to come to the dogs

Thankfully it doesn't always work like that ... pretty sure Bont was a Tigers fan as a kid.

 

[Pugz89]

Sooo Ed Richards... What type of player? Strengths/weaknesses, player comparison? Wizard17

 

[Doggy]

Thankfully it doesn't always work like that ... pretty sure Bont was a Tigers fan as a kid.

No.. but he said today he wants to end up at the dogs

 

[Leviticus]

We just traded for a 20 year old former number 2 pick to play key forward. Not sure why we’d be considering swinging any of our key defenders before giving him every opportunity.
Naughton is a no from me whether he’s best available or not.
I have no idea about any of the kids but if there are any outside speedy types who can take a mark above there head. I’d be all over them.

You would love Coffield or Richards.

 

[Leviticus]

Sooo Ed Richards... What type of player? Strengths/weaknesses, player comparison? Wizard17

Liam Picken but a better kick.

 

[oneoffpost]

Could be room at the inn. Boyd/Roughead rucks changing at times in the forward line (other times off the bench), Schache FF/CHF...3rd tall CHF/FF...? Does Redpath have the spot sewn up? Maybe.

Probably not the thread to discuss but can’t see Boyd, Roughead, Schache and Red all playing in the same team. Fight it out over the Summer boys

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Can someone please tell me who all of these gun key defenders are that we supposedly have?

Adams looks the goods but can't stay on the park.
Trengove is a proven tall defender. Not a gun but certainly AFL standard.
Roberts is barely AFL-standard despite being a Premiership player.
Collins is not yet and may never be AFL-standard.
Cordy is a third tall and can't stand a good key forward. Decent AFL player but not a gun key defender.
Young has shown promise but was monstered by the better key forwards. Might be better suited up forward or as a third tall defender as he is still quite slight of build.

So... AFL-standard key defenders...we have two. One of whom is no certainty to play each week due to foot injuries that take a long time to come good. And we may want to play Adams up forward anyway.

Why the angst about the possibility of taking a key defender if that's who Dalrymple rates as the best available?

Four of those listed are developing players - we don't know if they're guns or not, for the most part. Hamling was delisted after three (?) years then played in a premiership and looks every bit a good, quality key defender at the level.

So what's my point? My point is that we need to invest in these guys. We have used the assets we have to get them in and now need to hold up our end of the bargain from a development standpoint. We have so many of them now that they're competing for game time, just as they're competing for time in similar roles. Without time spent in those roles, their development is going to face an uphill battle. Adams, Trengove, Roberts, Collins, Cordy, Young, Morris, Wood, Mullenger-McHugh and Naughton cannot realistically all play consistently in the roles and positions that we hope they grow into, and I see that as a big problem - even if one or two come off the list next year (which is no guarantee).

Competition for spots is undoubtedly a fantastic thing - but if you go too far and load up with too many developing players in the same position I strongly believe that can hinder player development.

 

[TommyD13]

Have stayed away of this thread for the most part as of late. Would prefer to wait until the night and find out than speculate. But its getting close now and oh boy am I getting excited. And Ashes tommorow, get pumped everyone!

 

[stefoid]

Yeah thought so. So his best attribute is his x factor around goal? Is he a bit Stringer like in that regard

And dodgy ticker? hahhah