Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

[Dominator_7]

He did the same when Kreuz was reportedly being shopped around a few years back and we were rumored to be getting high pick compo, remember?

 

[Jabba73]

Typical robo trying to down grade Casboults fa value to ensure Carlton get less compensation.

Does anyone listen and put value on what Robbo says?

 

[therubbernub]

McKay may ask to be traded to north so he can play along side his brother,

LOL I am sure he would love to play alongside Ben in the VFL

 

[rp84]

Does anyone listen and put value on what Robbo says?

Absolute plonker

 

[No1Suspect]

Hushed conversations with Humphrey....

Nah its Miming with Matthew

 

[OldCarltonKnows]

Does anyone listen and put value on what Robbo says?

Sober or not sober? Does it matter...no. Numbskull of the highest order.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

• The difficult thing about Kelly is that he's not Dusty, he's not Dangerfield, he's not Fyfe, he's not Ablett, he's not Selwood and he's not Buddy. As a matter of fact he's not even close.
• IMO I don't think Kelly is any better player than Gibbs and the only real advantage he provides is that he's 6 years younger. As you point out though, that will be more than offset by what he'll cost in picks and that he'll cost us a minimum of twice what Gibbs does.
• Shiel, Scully, Coniglio, Whitfield, Ward, Greene and, to a lesser extent, Hopper all help to take attention away from Kelly, so he never gets tagged. That won't happen if he comes to us.
• Forget the media hype about $1.25m/year I think it will be more in the region of $800k/yr and maybe around $650k/yr if he stays at GWS. Those same sources claimed Josh Schache had numerous 5yr/$700k contracts and a bottle of smelling salts waved about under his nose, but he signed a 2yr/$350k contract with the Lions. Make of that what you will.

• I'd be a lot happier to get Hopper if he genuinely wanted to come to us like Marchbank did, but my mail is that his first preference is to stay at GWS if a suitable deal can be struck.
• Would I like him at the Blues??? Sure, but if GWS is where the young bloke's heart lies then leave him there and take the pick to the draft.
• Must admit that I'm beginning to cool on Hopper and would rather see SOS trade for picks in the first 2 Rounds.

Occasionally Trigg throws a live mouse into the viper pit to see if any of the media bite. For most normal people 1+1=2, but for the media and online forums 1+1=Kelly+Hopper+Balic+......... It's just the way it works.

The funny thing is the player Kelly is most alike that you just mentioned is Ablett and he is miles ahead of him at the same age.

 

[4thchicken]

Not gonna happen but would love to see Levi signed up and the club back him to improve again next year (more inside 50s and better quality ones, better midfield should net him 49 goals) - get his 100games at the club and then trade next year for similar value as what we'd get via FA

 

[Magruder]

You don't have to have three picks in the draft if you've cleared the minimum off your list and traded for others.

i.e Hawthorn had two picks only, last year.

Didn't know that cheers

 

[Magruder]

Pick 70 > developing ruckman
Pick 89 > bottom ager
Pick 108 > upgrade Alex Silvagni

B.O.G: SOS

All good harks educated me

 

[Navara79]

Our football team will be much better off without Levi in it. The only reason he lasted this long is because of our poor recruiting. He hasn't improved that much. I still doesn't understand how to play the game very well. He can't even get the basics right. Can't wait until it's all over.

 

[StandByyourMan]

KJ has the option of doing what Jones did and kick another 4 this week and force his way in. I am sure he understands that he is on his last chance to show us what he can do.

He'd have to kick 10, on his wrong foot mind you, and submit 2 months worth of clean urine to be in the same galaxy as a discussion re whether his career at carlton was not completely over. Oh and then he would have 2 chances.

 

[StandByyourMan]

Our football team will be much better off without Levi in it. The only reason he lasted this long is because of our poor recruit. He hasn't improved that much. I still doesn't understand how to play the game very well. He can't even get the basics right. Can't wait until it's all over.

Totally agree with this. It might seem hard to let go of the safety blanket now but time for growth..

 

[StandByyourMan]

Sober or not sober? Does it matter...no. Numbskull of the highest order.

He said SPS reminded him of Chris Lewis. Dumb fire truck!

 

[I AM CARLTON]

What if Kelly and Hopper stay at the Giants or sign with other teams, what should our plan be then?

Can we afford to let Gibbs go knowing that Cripps & SPS would get hammered in the centre square.

 

[OldCarltonKnows]

What if Kelly and Hopper stay at the Giants or sign with other teams, what should our plan be then?

Can we afford to let Gibbs go knowing that Cripps & SPS would get hammered in the centre square.

Won't happen he's contracted. Gibbs being traded is dependent on others trades...that we want. If they don't happen he fulfills his contract.

 

[I AM CARLTON]

Won't happen he's contracted. Gibbs being traded is dependent on others trades...that we want. If they don't happen he fulfills his contract.

Ok cool. So if we cant get either Kelly or Hopper should we just hit the draft hard again and grab a couple of midfielders?

 

[Teagueeee15]

What if Kelly and Hopper stay at the Giants or sign with other teams, what should our plan be then?

Can we afford to let Gibbs go knowing that Cripps & SPS would get hammered in the centre square.

If that happened and Gibbs left as well, we may need to go after Scot Thompson (Adelaidee one) and Matt Priddis types for a year or two to provide some support.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Ok cool. So if we cant get either Kelly or Hopper should we just hit the draft hard again and grab a couple of midfielders?

There's a guy called Higgins that continually slips down the order since the champs.

Honestly have no idea why.

Most of the recruiting experts have totally let this guy go.

Not me.

 

[Jabba73]

Our football team will be much better off without Levi in it. The only reason he lasted this long is because of our poor recruiting. He hasn't improved that much. I still doesn't understand how to play the game very well. He can't even get the basics right. Can't wait until it's all over.

Still don't have anyone on the list capable of playing that role.

Unless we want to go back to the good old days of playing two ruckmen that cannot play as a forward, it is better to hang on to Casboult for at least the next two years, until McKay is ready to play 23 games while getting smashed week in, week out.

Asking McKay or Curnow to do that job next season will wreck their development and they could both be very special players in our next premiership tilt.

People in here keep forgetting Casboult was pick 44 in the rookie draft, he has come a long way and is about to hit his physical peak. He is 12 goals ahead of the next player in the AFL who has more than 100 hit outs for the season. Puts him in the top echelon of forward/rucks in the league. Also allows Kreuzer to play his preferred position.

If we didn't have a Casboult, we would be begging for SOS to find us one. Time to ease up people, he is what he is.

 

[Funk]

Hushed conversations with Humphrey....

Back to the 1930s - silent movies.

thylacine60 will remember these........

 

[PoultryinMotion]

If that happened and Gibbs left as well, we may need to go after Scot Thompson (Adelaidee one) and Matt Priddis types for a year or two to provide some support.

I get what you mean but a big no to Thompson. Cooked.

 

[Arr0w]

Still don't have anyone on the list capable of playing that role.

Unless we want to go back to the good old days of playing two ruckmen that cannot play as a forward, it is better to hang on to Casboult for at least the next two years, until McKay is ready to play 23 games while getting smashed week in, week out.

Asking McKay or Curnow to do that job next season will wreck their development and they could both be very special players in our next premiership tilt.

People in here keep forgetting Casboult was pick 44 in the rookie draft, he has come a long way and is about to hit his physical peak. He is 12 goals ahead of the next player in the AFL who has more than 100 hit outs for the season. Puts him in the top echelon of forward/rucks in the league. Also allows Kreuzer to play his preferred position.

If we didn't have a Casboult, we would be begging for SOS to find us one. Time to ease up people, he is what he is.

Well said !!

 

[TerryWallet]

Still don't have anyone on the list capable of playing that role.

Unless we want to go back to the good old days of playing two ruckmen that cannot play as a forward, it is better to hang on to Casboult for at least the next two years, until McKay is ready to play 23 games while getting smashed week in, week out.

Asking McKay or Curnow to do that job next season will wreck their development and they could both be very special players in our next premiership tilt.

People in here keep forgetting Casboult was pick 44 in the rookie draft, he has come a long way and is about to hit his physical peak. He is 12 goals ahead of the next player in the AFL who has more than 100 hit outs for the season. Puts him in the top echelon of forward/rucks in the league. Also allows Kreuzer to play his preferred position.

If we didn't have a Casboult, we would be begging for SOS to find us one. Time to ease up people, he is what he is.

On your last line, SOS seems more than happy to let him go for anything other than a tad over minimum chips. As he was last year also.

Levi shopped himself around last year too. Hawthorn were desperate for a Forward/Ruck..............................

..........they preferred Tyrone Vickery.

That's something to chew on.

For whatever Levi does individually, which isn't much...he is twice as detrimental in a team sense. He simply does not work with others. Never has, never will.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Of course he isn't close, those guys are all 27+, his numbers compared to the others (except buddy) at the same age are similar if not better.

Then you've just validated my point haven't you???

Weitering for Dylan Shiel??
I feel dirty even proposing it and I don't think Weitering would move north.
Jones to enable us to get Shiel or Kelly ie with a pick - that I would do - sure Jones is looking great but you need to give up something of quality to get something of quality

Good to see you kicking around HyphensBack.

• Re Weitering: I'm not for trading out our elite drafted talent. You need to build upon it. SOS needs to back himself that he can draft the next Dylan Shiel or Josh Kelly.
• Re Jones: Not sure Jones is in the same postcode as Shiel or Kelly tbh, but your suggestion is not as left-field as many seem to think if you're prepared to change it up. Jones for Hopper mightn't be far off the mark though and might just work out for a number of reasons. GWS could really use a quality KPD, he'd also fit into their salary cap and it might just free up enough funds for them to keep Kelly. I must admit that I'm extremely reluctant to trade Jones. He's extremely durable, loves the club and probably only costing us around $250k-$300k/yr + bonuses. To put it in context, what would Lever cost us to do the exact same job??? For the next 2 years Jones is the type of bargain we're unlikely to see again. Aaarrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh!!! Let me think. ASOS is good but injury prone, may not see Rowe again, JGM hasn't really progressed and while I can draft say a Darren Petty, I'd probably need to retain Jaksch for another year as depth if I did this deal. Dunno, I just dunno. I suspect Hopper is worth a little more, but the unique advantages Jones provides probably offsets that and if anyone could sell that deal SOS & Brodie could.
• Arr0w, HARKER and Jimmae do you think a Jones for Hopper deal is both plausible & feasible??? What massaging, if any, would it need to work???