Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

[Jimmae]

So in three years he hasn't missed a lot like Pickett Byrne or Sumner or even Murphy.

Not sure where squib came from?

Quantity of time out isn't a good metric to use when looking at a player's ability to reach peak fitness. Being out for a couple of small blocks mid-season can have a huge impact on a players fitness levels. So even though he missed a smaller volume of games missing 2-3 small blocks sends him back 3 times rather than just once which is what happened to guys who are out long-term.

Also not sure Sumner is a good reference point. He has never played a good month of AFL footy in his career

Exactly, and further more it's a lot easier to lose fitness than it is to gain it.

In terms of most forms of conditioning, you start to lose levels after 3 days of relative inactivity, and you're pretty much back to square one (natural fitness) after 3 weeks off your feet. Hence why rehab and recovery are so important for sustaining performance across a season.

Boekhurst has demonstrated two things consistently which gives him a chance to play regular AFL football.

1. He has genuine speed; and
2. He is a pretty good kick at goal.

What he also demonstrates consistently which counts against him is:

1. Poor execution of basic skills under any pressure ; and
2. Inability to win on on ones - contested football.

IF he was a bit bigger without losing any speed he might be better physically equipped to go in a tad harder and maybe have a bit more confidence in congestion....

Boekhorst seemed to be working on this in the 2016 pre-season, but once he got the wrist injury, all that progress seemed to fly out the window.

Personally, I'm not overly concerned as the general trend in sports has seen mass shed somewhat, but power to weight ratios are going up due to nutritional changes. That being said, Boekhorst could use a little more core strength and is probably underweight slightly for his likely AFL role.

At VFL level, I've certainly see him win some good aerial contests 1v1, so he's not without ability.

 

[Jimmae]

Great comeback. Carlton are 14th for stoppages.

And the number of centre bounces we'd see compared to other teams would be lower due to our gamestyle.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

And the number of centre bounces we'd see compared to other teams would be lower due to our gamestyle.

You need to prove that with stats.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Which is why there needs to be a percentage of clearances won stat.

 

[jd2010]

Which is why there needs to be a percentage of clearances won stat.

The +/- stats they use for clearances is pretty good

 

[Mr_Plow]

The +/- stats they use for clearances is pretty good

Where can I find that

 

[jd2010]

Where can I find that

not too sure where its kept for the season but they always go on about +10 in clearances during broadcasts

 

[Jimmae]

You need to prove that with stats.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Anybody think Lukas Webb is worth a look? Can't get a run at the Dogs and wants opportunity.

 

[FairKouta]

Anybody think Lukas Webb is worth a look? Can't get a run at the Dogs and wants opportunity.

i have seen little of him has a bit of class

 

[Rarely Rong]

AFL Player rankings on SEN say Murphy is still going OK....

MITCHELL, Tom Haw 164
2. CROUCH, Matt Adel 158
3. KELLY, Joshua GWS 156
4. MURPHY, Marc Carl 153
5. OLIVER, Clayton Melb 153
6. MARTIN, Dustin Rich 152
7. WINES, Ollie Port 150
8. DOCHERTY, Sam Carl 149
9. DANGERFIELD, Patrick Geel 148
10. GIBBS, Bryce Carl 147
11. SHIEL, Dylan GWS 146
12. FYFE, Nathan Frem 145
13. EBERT, Brad Port 145
14. LAIRD, Rory Adel 144
15. MACRAE, Jack WB 144
16. HEPPELL, Dyson Ess 143
17. HURLEY, Michael Ess 143
18. MERRETT, Zach Ess 143
19. DUNCAN, Mitch Geel 143
20. WARD, Callan GWS 143
21. BONTEMPELLI, Marcus WB 143
22. ROSS, Sebastian StK 142
23. PARKER, Luke Syd 141
24. ADAMS, Taylor Coll 140
25. GAFF, Andrew WCE 140

FWIW I have no issue with Murphys performance, just dont think he should be captain....and everyone over 28 is tradeable if 1st rd picks/young guns are involved.

 

[Benaly28]

With 6 picks inside the first 40,I'm thinking Gold Coast might be worth trading players for.Maybe a graham/Boek/Buckley/Sheehan might net us a couple of picks.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I'd suggest murph hasn't kicked so many goals because when he rests forward we can't get the ball there. He's good around goal, a couple of his goals this year prove that.

He's too busy topping our run metres and carrying our injured midfield to worry about kicking goals.

 

[Iamcarlton]

With 6 picks inside the first 40,I'm thinking Gold Coast might be worth trading players for.Maybe a graham/Boek/Buckley/Sheehan might net us a couple of picks.

For sure all them combined may get us a 4th rounder

 

[Zlatan]

With 6 picks inside the first 40,I'm thinking Gold Coast might be worth trading players for.Maybe a graham/Boek/Buckley/Sheehan might net us a couple of picks.

Wouldn't even get pick 150 for all 4 combined.

 

[HBF]

Well if Blaine goes next he will be replaced by a pick in the 150s

Boek stays on a 1 year deal.

 

[FoeverBlues]

Funny isn't it,

1. All 5 RS credited Murphy with helping them
2. Bolt speaks well of Murphy leadership in presses
3 All players got their chances last 2 years to vote Murphy out but instead voted for him to lead them again

But here we are debating weather he is good enough as a leader.

Personally I have always love Murp since day 1 as a young couragous, skilful players who always give it all on field even when carry injury

Perhaps he is not the Voss, Selwoods, Hodge type of Captain but leadership come in all shapes and forms. The players and coaches are better judges of Murphy leadership than us from afar, I think.

 

[Tushay]

Anybody think Lukas Webb is worth a look? Can't get a run at the Dogs and wants opportunity.

Could be worth a look. That might be the one area where the Dogs have surplus quality right now.

 

[DangerousD]

With 6 picks inside the first 40,I'm thinking Gold Coast might be worth trading players for.Maybe a graham/Boek/Buckley/Sheehan might net us a couple of picks.

Teams aren't stupid enough to give picks for guys who will be delisted.
Buckley, Sheehan can go via FA

 

[DangerousD]

Desperately want hodge at the blues next year in some capacity. There was a rumour wasn't there?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Funny isn't it,

1. All 5 RS credited Murphy with helping them
2. Bolt speaks well of Murphy leadership in presses
3 All players got their chances last 2 years to vote Murphy out but instead voted for him to lead them again

But here we are debating weather he is good enough as a leader.

Personally I have always love Murp since day 1 as a young couragous, skilful players who always give it all on field even when carry injury

Perhaps he is not the Voss, Selwoods, Hodge type of Captain but leadership come in all shapes and forms. The players and coaches are better judges of Murphy leadership than us from afar, I think.

Well said! Change for the sake of change is ridiculous. If we have a better option the coach and players will know it

 

[ParapMarkets]

Assuming Gibbs is staying. How could we trade for Hopper and keep pick 4?

I'm guessing he is worth a late first round pick, I'm just not sure how we get our hands on such a pick.

 

[dazdoggy]

James Rose from Syd is worth trying to get wont cost much at all

 

[F_therest]

James Rose from Syd is worth trying to get wont cost much at all

Big no. Swans board don't rate him at all and neither do i.

 

[F_therest]

Assuming Gibbs is staying. How could we trade for Hopper and keep pick 4?

I'm guessing he is worth a late first round pick, I'm just not sure how we get our hands on such a pick.

Hopefull Casboult compo
I was also hoping we might get an end of first round priority pick we could have used but we're no chance now that we beat Hawthorn and are 14th on the ladder.