Bucks, Graham,Boeky, are not up to it. They are good VFL players.
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Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II
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How the **** do we replace 15 players in the draft?
At present we have picks 2, 37, 55, 73, 91, 109 (in a weak draft) plus rookies and the PSD/ DFA. We have no second rounder remember.
Cutting that deep (again) would wreck the club. We've been able to do it recently with package deals from GWS and trading out players for extra picks (Henderson, Touhy, Menzel, Yarran etc).
It'll be 8-10 this year.
Sumner, Army, Jacksh, Gorringe, Sheehan, JGM, Korcheck are likely departures. Then any combination of Boeky, Graham, Buckley (plus possibly Gibbs and Casboult as trades or F/A) go next.
One or more of Boeky, Graham or Bucks will make the cut and be given another year.
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Wut?
Josh Kelly's 2017 Statistical Rankings (across the AFL):
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Not easy job for SOS and Bolton to rebuild our club, will take years until we get plenty of talent. Must trade Gibbs to Crows, only player with currency.
By your logic, that also rules out taking Shiel.
BTW Kelly has kicked 12.17 = 41.3% accuracy and Shiel is 9.12 = 42.8% accuracy.
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Effective disposal 74.4% (22nd on Giants list and would be ranked equal 14th with Simpson)
Goal accuracy 35.3% (22nd on Giants list and would be ranked 20th below Simpson)
Pay for a messiah and a lot of folks will be disappointed he can't kick.
Keep pick 2.
If Rayner demonstrates something of a tank at the combine, I'm not trading away pick 1.
If he doesn't? Get rid of the pick, nobody in this draft will get close to Kelly.
If he doesn't? Get rid of the pick, nobody in this draft will get close to Kelly.
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Dude, watch a Giants game. The kid is an out and out jet. If we drafted a player as good as Kelly with Pick 1 we would be ecstatic.
If he nominates us, that 1st rounder is going GWS way in the blink of an eye. Pick 1 notwithstanding.
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Gibbs to Crows (Barass and MS3 both confirm its likely to happen again), Lever to Dogs (they want him, and he's a good chance to leave) and Dogs 1st rounder + Redpath (who we are reportedly interested in; again by Barass) is a reasonable chance of happening.
I'd be happy with 10 and Redpath for Gibbs. The latter to cover for Casboult (who Barass reported has a 4 year, 2 million dollar offer in front of him from the Tiges - likely netting us Band 3 compo - or a pick around pick 20).
Again, the net result is we lose Gibbs and Casboult, and gain Picks 10, 20 and Redpath (the latter to cover for Casboult).
Effectively (with Redpath covering for Levi) we lose Gibbs for 10 + 20.
What we then do with pick 1-2 will be intresting. If Kelly nominates us, trading to the Giants for Kelly is a no-brainer for mine. If we land pick 1, we'll also have pick 1 in the PSD so we might be able to leverage a swap of picks next year in our favor as well (GWS 1st next year for our 2nd).
If he doesn't nominate us, I would strongly consider swapping pick 1 for picks 7 and 8 from the Saints.
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Please see my post above - waiting on your reply.
Thanks.
That's not far away from last years offer and quite possibly worse in real material value. (Last year was #14 and Lyons, who has largely been fantastic for The Suns, to date.)
It does really depend on what SOS thinks may be possible with that pick, but if it was meat & potatoes, why do it?
Kelly is one of the most skilful players in the AFL, still so much potential as well. Would take him over anyone in the draft easy trade for #2.
What if?
Kelly to Saints for 8+10 ish
Pick 2 +20 Casboult compo to GWS for Hopper, 10 and Whitfield
Go to draft with 10 and Gibbs pick
GWS
lose Kelly, Hopper Whitfield
Gain 2,8,20
Saints lose 8,10
Gain Kelly
Carlton
Lose 2,20
Gain hopper Whitfield
Can replace saints with North if north get a first rounder for Goldstein.
Kelly to Saints for 8+10 ish
Pick 2 +20 Casboult compo to GWS for Hopper, 10 and Whitfield
Go to draft with 10 and Gibbs pick
GWS
lose Kelly, Hopper Whitfield
Gain 2,8,20
Saints lose 8,10
Gain Kelly
Carlton
Lose 2,20
Gain hopper Whitfield
Can replace saints with North if north get a first rounder for Goldstein.
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If Lever puts his hand up and asks for a trade to the kennel (looks very likely) then we get involved. We send Gibbs to the Crows, they send Lever to the Dogs, and we take Pick 10 and Redpath off the Dogs.
The Crows would surely prefer Gibbs to pick 10, and they have no interest in Redpath.
Can anyone tell me about Hoppers year to date? Surely his trade value would be at a low.
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Here you go HARKER , based on the assumption that we finish 17th :
START OFF WITH
#2
#38
#56
#74
OUT
Gibbs out : two picks & a fringe player coming back from the Crows (eg. #16 & #19, they get one of them from Brisbane for Cameron)
Casboult out : #21 (if we pray like buggery, the Tigers may just throw the complete kitchen sink and more at Casboult and it triggers a start of first round comp to give us #3)
Simpson retires
Rowe retires
Graham to Saints for mid-late second rounder (say #34)
Boekhorst to WCE for a mid-late second rounder (say #36)
Buckley - delisted
Galluci - delisted
Jaksch - delisted
Sumner - delisted
Sheehan - delisted
White - delisted
Armfield - delisted
Korchek - delisted
Glass-McCasker - delisted
Gorringe - delisted
Nett Changes After That
#2
#16
#19
#21
#34
#36
#38
#56
#74
Crows fringe player (eg. Wigg)
IN
Hopper from Giants for #19
Jake Spencer from Melbourne as a short-term FA to replace Korchek & Gorringe
Ryan Shoenmakers from Hawthorn as a short-term FA to replace Casboult
Two other delisted FA's that suit our needs (dare I suggest Priddis from WCE ??)
Nett Changes After That
#2
#16
#21
#34
#36
#38
#56
#74
Crows fringe player (eg. Wigg)
Spencer
Hopper
Shoenmakers
two other delisted FA's
White - redrafted as a mature age rookie
Armfield - redrafted as a mature age rookie
IN-LIMBO
Lamb - offered a one-year extension
Thomas - offered a one-year extension
LeBois - re-rookied for one more year
EDIT - I started working on this before you had typed up your template and therefore didn't see it.
EDIT - I'd also be trying to somehow upgrade #34, #36, #38, #56 & #74 to either better picks or a useful player whilst not losing out on the overall number of picks/players, not sure it can be done but who knows.
Lol! You have us picking up no less than 5 DFA's, and you have us losing Casboult as a F/A (meaning we wont get any compo because we are getting F/A in).
So lose the F/A compo from Cas. Which means lose Hopper.
We're also not getting 2 x first round picks from the Crows and a fringe player. Were not getting picks in the 30's for Boeky and Graham either.
We follow your list management strategy, and we're redrafting Army (whom I love, but is done), losing Cas for nothing and have 5 x DFA's and a fringe player clogging our list.
Youre making changes to the list just to make changes to the list, not to improve it.
Averaged 9 contested possessions and 3 clearances a game until hit by multiple successive injuries.
Averaged 8 and 3 in his debut year last year.
He'd be an extremely handy acquisition for a late first round pick, 15-20 perhaps.
16 games in 2 years and the probable emergence of Setterfield makes him extremely gettable if we can beat Geelong to his signature.
We simply must acquire one or both of Kelly and Hopper during the off-season.
Dream scenario would be pick 1 for Kelly and Adelaide's 1st for Hopper.
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Equal 5th favorite for the Brownlow (with Selwood and Sloane).
Seriously dude. He's a bloody jet. And only 22.
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Kelly + Hopper for our 1st + Gibbs/Cas pick is a no brainer.
We would be lucky to find better players with picks 2 and 16/20.
There is no need to get back into the first round this year if we pick up a those two, especially at the expense of a Murphy or Kreuzer.
In 2018 we will most likely have another top 5 pick and a talented F/S in BSOS, so trading out of the first round in 2017 is not so bad should BSOS kick on.
We would be lucky to find better players with picks 2 and 16/20.
There is no need to get back into the first round this year if we pick up a those two, especially at the expense of a Murphy or Kreuzer.
In 2018 we will most likely have another top 5 pick and a talented F/S in BSOS, so trading out of the first round in 2017 is not so bad should BSOS kick on.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but that's not how it works. If a free agent acquisition is a delisted FA then there is no loss of compensation because the player has been delisted by his original club.
So the latest rumor doing the rounds has Mitch McGovern going to Collingwood, Gibbs to Adelaide and the Pies first (2017) and Crows second (2018) coming to Carlton. Personally, I thought Mitch was headed home to Western Australia so this Collingwood stuff is out of nowhere.
That's a fair enough outlook to take.
I don't see it.
Slow by mind and body, mediocre decision making and mediocre skills.
He's an elite mark and poor kick forward that doesn't apply defensive pressure.
At 28 next year, there is nothing to suggest Levi is exploding any time soon.
That is my understanding of how free agents and delisted free agents works too.
A DFA will not have any affect on free agency compo.
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