Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[GapInIkonPark]

Appreciate you taking on the challenge Jeremias

The question asked in two ways are highlighted below.

I look forward to your reply.

I have posted further thoughts on where I think Rowe sits in Rubbernub's 'Whipping Boy' (or not) thread.

Do you agree that a good sign that our list is improving is that Rowe is squeezed out?

So when you are looking at our 22, who do you see dropping out in the next year or 2 to make way for the kids coming through?
I say Thomas, White, Casboult and Rowe, Kerridge. Armfield fallen out of the 22 this week.

you can make that argument in relation to every player, on every list in the comp.

Can't wait for Cripps to be squeezed out it would mean we're really motoring .

This thread is about Sunday's game.

Armfield has been dropped and I think Rowe will miss due to concussion.

Challenge accepted.

What's your question?

 

[Cripps17]

An extra late 1st/2nd isn't worth half+ of Gibbs' salary. If we're struggling to meet minimum TPP then there are two of the games best mids currently uncontracted...

 

[katmanblue]

I was more referring to, what is us paying his salary worth to them. Can we pay his salary to get an extra pick/higher pick.

That would be great. 2017 1st and 2018 1st and we aend them Gibbs and 2017 4th and we pay his out his contract.

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[GapInIkonPark]

An extra late 1st/2nd isn't worth half+ of Gibbs' salary. If we're struggling to meet minimum TPP then there are two of the games best mids currently uncontracted...

I assume that you mean Martin and Fyfe.

And if one or both them don't come to us, and the Gibbs trade is back on, then what do you suggest?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

What if we take Lever and that allows us to push out Rowe from the best 22?

Yes please.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

We need mids


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If a quality key position defender like Lever is available to us then its an absolute must we jump all over it, regardless of us needing midfielders. You don't let quality KPP walk to your rivals without trying to get him.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I hope we are looking at TWO top shelf free agents eg fyfe and martin. We can use the fact that one is coming if the other agrees to come as leverage. That would be game changing. Add our first pick to pick up another midfielder-hopefully a Petracca type.

Midfield

Fyfe
Martin
Cripps
Petracca type
Gibbs
Murphy
SPS
Curnow,/Polson/cuningham/fisher

In your scenario, if we has Fyfe, Martin, Cripps and a Petracca type, we have zero use for Gibbs or Murphy. There is no point keeping either on the list.

 

[therubbernub]

If a quality key position defender like Lever is available to us then its an absolute must we jump all over it, regardless of us needing midfielders. You don't let quality KPP walk to your rivals without trying to get him.

queue the schache arguments again. Rinse repeat.

 

[therubbernub]

In your scenario, if we has Fyfe, Martin, Cripps and a Petracca type, we have zero use for Gibbs or Murphy. There is no point keeping either on the list.

Disagree . These days you need depth in the midfield. Gibbs and Murph would still be part of the rotation

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Gibbs' value diminishes by the year. If we were offended by Adelaide's offer last year then less so this year.

He will be 29 in March, so if he still wants to leave take the top 20 pick and whatever fringe player they chuck at us.

This. If we had traded Gibbs in the 2015 period like I thought we should have, then a first and second rounder ( future ) would have been likely possible. It was very unlikely that were going to secure it last year, and there is not a hope in hell we are getting a first and second rounder for him this year should we trade him. We are more likely than not to get a first rounder for him, whether that be their own, or something they secure in other trading. People have to stop over rating Gibbs' value IMO.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

It may well be. If Adelaide's cap is tight and we are struggling to achieve the minimum cap spend, then we should absolutely drive for a bargain. We pay half, we want two first rounders one 2017 one 2018 and we will give you a second rounder back.

No way are Adelaide giving up two first rounders for Gibbs. Even if we pay half his salary. It just wont happen.

 

[BlueWoof_#39]

Yes, but Adelaide will not give us any that we want.Nor McGovern nor Cameron, both of who we asked for. So if it is Gibbs, a first round pick and something else, then maybe we can work Lever into it and save our draft picks for mids.

I would give up Gibbs and some for Lever, he is a star! I like Gibbsy and we need mids but Lever is too good to pass on if the opportunity were to arise...SOS surely would be salivating at the prospect of another key defender....I like your thinking by us paying some of Gibbs' wage to increase the what we get in return, could be a valuable bargaining chip.


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[majesticseacapt]

Im not a fan of braking the bank and spending 1mil+ on a single player, but lets say

-gibbs requests and is traded
-casboult is traded or delisted
-armfield and daisy retire
-boekhorst, jones, jaksch and say either one of graham/buckley/gorringe are delisted

Even if we did pay part of gibbs wage to get a favourable trade (eg 1st round and galluici for example)

I would not expect all those named to be delisted, maybe casboult/gorringe/buckley might get another year as depth but you get the idea.

Potentially thats ~2mil cap space cleared + TPP cap will increase x%, thats alot of cap space. and im assuming were not paying 100% anyway, probably more closer to the league minimum.

I actually think landing a big FA with a heavy front loaded contract is starting to become appealing. Would be a direct replacement for Gibbs. I dare say SOS may try to land some other low risk, high reward players like Wright/Gorringe/ex-GWS but there will still be plenty to work with.

If it doesnt cost us draft picks, then i have no problem with it!

If Gibbs stays, then im more inclined to stick with our current trading/drafting methods and try to use this cap on front loading extended contracts for Cripps/Plowman/Doc/Mckay (no idea on their contract status', just using them as examples)

Thoughts?

 

[El Topo]

As much as we like to what-if about Gibbs' 2015 value, the fact was that between GWS and Adelaide's shenanigans we were never in a position to get fair value.

The only way SOS was able to keep pick 5 while avoiding a Gibbs for Marchbank scenario was to sacrifice 2E and a 2nd rounder. When looking at the past it's wrong to assess single trades in isolation.

 

[Smegger]

Im not a fan of braking the bank and spending 1mil+ on a single player, but lets say

-gibbs requests and is traded
-casboult is traded or delisted
-armfield and daisy retire
-boekhorst, jones, jaksch and say either one of graham/buckley/gorringe are delisted

Although Jaksch has been a noticeable absence from a call up in the 1sts, it sounds like he is finally making some progress. CFC have been patient and this might be the year where he begins to blossom into the player we had hoped for. Also, time playing alongside McKay could pay dividends for our future forward set-up.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Just watching the NB's and Sheehan is a bull.
I reckon he could be given a go as that inside mid to assist Crippa.
IMO

 

[Weiterbot23]

Offer our first this year and next year for Kelly and hopper?

Trade Gibbs to Adelaide to get back into the first round and draft best available?

 

[thylacine60]

Just watching the NB's and Sheehan is a bull.
I reckon he could be given a go as that inside mid to assist Crippa.
IMO

hear that

 

[Soapy V]

What if we take Lever and that allows us to push out Rowe from the best 22?

Not for me. Our defence is set for the next decade and we have some great options and depth in that area. Gun mids with ball use is our need. Get a few of them and things will turn quickly

 

[Funk]

Offer our first this year and next year for Kelly and hopper?

Trade Gibbs to Adelaide to get back into the first round and draft best available?

Our first pick this year will be top 3 - so no.

Must keep our high picks.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Our first pick this year will be top 3 - so no.

Must keep our high picks.

I'd do it.

-There is little chance that a top 3 pick will be as good a Kelly (a former pick 2)
-Hopper is a bull of a mid, you'd be stoked with a top 5 pick that showed as much promise as him
-first pick in 2018 may be of less value considering BOSOS
-Kelly and hopper are right amongst our age group and apparently it's in fashion to have players come through in groups age wise
-Gives us 2 quailiy mids (an inside and outside) helping our weakest area
-Trading Gibbs gets us back into the first round

Build round Cripps, Kelly, Hopper, SPS for future midfield.

 

[true blue19]

I'd do it.

-There is little chance that a top 3 pick will be as good a Kelly (a former pick 2)
-Hopper is a bull of a mid, you'd be stoked with a top 5 pick that showed as much promise as him
-first pick in 2018 may be of less value considering BOSOS
-Kelly and hopper are right amongst our age group and apparently it's in fashion to have players come through in groups age wise
-Gives us 2 quailiy mids (an inside and outside) helping our weakest area
-Trading Gibbs gets us back into the first round

Build round Cripps, Kelly, Hopper, SPS for future midfield.

The only problem with this is that IMO Kelly is in for a big year and could be GWS best midfielder if he isn't already and could be an all australia and premiership player. IMO his value would be at least 2 1st round draft picks on his own, he's a better player than Trelour and that's what Collingwood gave up for him. Plus how do we top Norths deal of 9mil/9years? I like what your saying but I think we would have to give up more.

 

[Weiterbot23]

The only problem with this is that IMO Kelly is in for a big year and could be GWS best midfielder if he isn't already and could be an all australia and premiership player. IMO his value would be at least 2 1st round draft picks on his own, he's a better player than Trelour and that's what Collingwood gave up for him. Plus how do we top Norths deal of 9mil/9years? I like what your saying but I think we would have to give up more.

Yeah I see what you are saying about Treloar, but Collingwoods first wasn't as high as ours will be, and everyone expected them to easily make the 8 the next year, so their 2x firsts would have been (expected) to be way less than our 2xfirsts.

With hopper and Kelly out of contract there is no way they can keep them in their cap so a nice neat package of 2 early picks (one defiantly being top 3) might be the best deal they can get for them.

I reckon you're right regarding the North offer to Kelly, no way I'd want to pay that kind of money, not that we couldn't afford it, or front load it, but what does that say to the rest of our list? Could mYbe stomach that sort of deal if it was a free agent, but not if we have to stump up picks.

Hopefully north land someone else and we can get Kelly for 700k x 6 years.

 

[Leon Black]

Just wounding get Idea of what everyone's preference between brander and and fogherty

 

[DangerousD]

No way are Adelaide giving up two first rounders for Gibbs. Even if we pay half his salary. It just wont happen.

What if we pay his full salary? It has been reported his contract was front end loaded.
What if the Crows finish top 4 or 2 and their first round pick is 16+?
Although it appears unlikely if we were able to pay gibbs to go then they could afford to keep Lever and Gov.