1. Correct, I believe we will be in contention for the 8, in 2020, so the premiership window MIGHT start from then on. So in 2021 both Kreuzer and Gibbs will be 32 not 30
Show me a successful 5-year rebuild in the draft era. Just one. I'm not saying there isn't one, but I think you'll be surprised about what you find.
Between our own club statements of a 66-game turnaround and the Doggies' premiership push, what exactly didn't you grasp that makes you think we'll be treading water in 2019?
This is where your argument is undeniably flawed.
2. You really need to let this go. If Kreuzer or Casboult decide to leave, the compensation will be based on what contract they sign. Has absolutely nothing to do, with the contract we offer them. Having said that, if they decide to stay, I would be comfortable with that.
You're the one arguing semantics.
3. I am sure it will generate list management decisions, based on the theory of our current rebuild strategy. If Gibbs is traded, I am confident that we will add a couple of senior bodies in the 20-23 year old bracket
That's not good enough, and you know that. We cannot be a conveyor belt for talent without getting a net return on our investment, and Adelaide haven't looked like offering that.
If they want one of our top 3 or 5 players, they need to be prepared to give us one big-ticket item in a bigger trade, whether that be a significant senior player or a draft pick that they probably won't have.
4. This is where your argument is flawed. Let's take your Hawthorn example, Buddy, Roughead and Lewis were all drafted, they were not retained FA's. Yes Hodge and Mitchell were there, as will Murphy, Simpson and other senior players
As I said in a follow-up post: what age were those players in 2012? That rebuild started in the 2009 off-season, unless you think Hawthorn had an 10 year window.
No one has said that we let Gibbs go for unders, but what we don't want is for him to finish his contract then leave as a free agent, as the compensation will be a lot less than what we could obtain at the end of this year. Kreuzer would be a loss if he decided to leave, but perhaps you should study other clubs lists, as there are a number of ruckman that could fill that void
As I have mention previously, love the passion on our board, but we need to stop looking at the short term.
No one would say that about the Gibbs trade, it's the valuation of Gibbs that has me dismayed at how people think trading works. Adelaide have to make a huge offer or it's not worth our time.
I've studied other clubs lists, and it would take an insane turn of events for us to wind up with a ruck even close to the quality of Kreuzer, current or future. It would be a shakedown of epic proportions for us to make bank on him leaving. Who did you have in mind? Billy Longer? Preuss? Archie Smith? Brodie Smith? Bleh, meh, maybe and good luck.
I'm firmly in the medium-term view of things, which allows you to keep players, coaches and staff on the hook while you build assets and look to make hard and fast moves when the opportunity arises. We've got a chance to really hammer the GWS list this off-season, and I sincerely doubt Gibbs or Kreuzer would walk away from that if they thought it pulled the pin out from the bottom of the effort.
Gibbs has to turn into something close to the level of Kelly, and Kreuzer has to be band 1, or we're throwing away opportunities and building the next Melbourne.