Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[thylacine60]

Wouldn't trust him to treat my multiple anal fissures, but I'd be confident with him kicking inside 50.

sold

 

[My name geoff]

Did a quick lookup of a few teams 22 and understand who have played AFL to argue with a Power fan, and I was surprised at the depth of our youth compared to other sides. Considering we have McKay, Polson, Fisher as likely inclusions over the coming weeks..

Port Power

FB: Houston ... DBJ
HB: Impey Austin Bonner
C: ... SPP Amon
HF: ... Palmer ...
FF: ... Howard ...

R: ... Wines Snelling

St.Kilda

FB: McKenzie Goddard ...
HB: Sinclair ... White
C: Acres Dunstan Steele
HF: Billings ... Lonie
FF: ... McCartin ...

R: Pierce Gresham ...


Carlton

FB: Macreadie Marchbank Byrne
HB: Williamson Weitering Plowman
C: Pickett Cripps Cuningham
HF: Silvagni Curnow SPS
FF: ... Jacksh ...

R ... Graham ...

Richmond

FB Drummond Moore ...
HB Short ... Markov
C Menadue Ellis ...
HF Lennon Chol Castanga
FF Rioli ... Butler

R Nankervis ... ...

Hawthorn

FB: Hardwick Heatherly Miles
HB: ... ... ...
C: Hartung O'Meara Howe
HF: ... Burton Stewart
FF: ... Sicily ...

R: Pittonet Lovell ...


Adelaide

FB: Kelly Lever ...
HB: ... ... ...
C: Knight Crouch Milera
HF: Menzel ... ...
FF: ... McGovern ...

R: O'Brien Cameron ...

Collingwood

FB: ... ... Ramsay
HB: Scharenberg ... Maynard
C: Aish Degoey Philips
HF: Crocker ... ...
FF: ... Moore ...

R: ... ... ...

Essendon

FB: ... Francis Gleeson
HB: McKenna ... McGrath
C: Long Merett ...
HF: Langford ... Laverde
FF: Redman ... ...

R: ... Parish ...

Melbourne

FB: Kennedy-Harris O.McDonald Wagner
HB: Hunt Smith White
C: Stretch Oliver Salem
HF: Harmes Hogan Petracca
FF: N-Bullen Weideman ...

R: ... Brayshaw ...

Western Bulldogs


FB: Smith Collins Williams
HB: Dale ... Webb
C: Daniel Bont Dunkley
HF McLean Cordy Honeychurch
FF: Prudden Boyd ...

R: ... Hunter Mcrae

 

[HARKER]

I understood we were keen on Preuss in his draft year, but we opted for Gowers.
Didn't mind Gowers although we did have some idea that we could take HBF'ers and turn them into mids....Davies, Bootsma, Temay, Viojo-Rainbow etc.

Good thing we've thrown that notion out........isn't it?

 

[F_therest]

Did a quick lookup of a few teams 22 and understand who have played AFL to argue with a Power fan, and I was surprised at the depth of our youth compared to other sides. Considering we have McKay, Polson, Fisher as likely inclusions over the coming weeks..

Port Power

FB: Houston ... DBJ
HB: Impey Austin Bonner
C: ... SPP Amon
HF: ... Palmer ...
FF: ... Howard ...

R: ... Wines Snelling

St.Kilda

FB: McKenzie Goddard ...
HB: Sinclair ... White
C: Acres Dunstan Steele
HF: Billings ... Lonie
FF: ... McCartin ...

R: Pierce Gresham ...


Carlton

FB: Macreadie Marchbank Byrne
HB: Williamson Weitering Plowman
C: Pickett Cripps Cuningham
HF: Silvagni Curnow SPS
FF: ... Jacksh ...

R ... Graham ...

Richmond

FB Drummond Moore ...
HB Short ... Markov
C Menadue Ellis ...
HF Lennon Chol Castanga
FF Rioli ... Butler

R Nankervis ... ...

Hawthorn

FB: Hardwick Heatherly Miles
HB: ... ... ...
C: Hartung O'Meara Howe
HF: ... Burton Stewart
FF: ... Sicily ...

R: Pittonet Lovell ...


Adelaide

FB: Kelly Lever ...
HB: ... ... ...
C: Knight Crouch Milera
HF: Menzel ... ...
FF: ... McGovern ...

R: O'Brien Cameron ...

Collingwood

FB: ... ... Ramsay
HB: Scharenberg ... Maynard
C: Aish Degoey Philips
HF: Crocker ... ...
FF: ... Moore ...

R: ... ... ...

Essendon

FB: ... Francis Gleeson
HB: McKenna ... McGrath
C: Long Merett ...
HF: Langford ... Laverde
FF: Redman ... ...

R: ... Parish ...

Melbourne

FB: Kennedy-Harris O.McDonald Wagner
HB: Hunt Smith White
C: Stretch Oliver Salem
HF: Harmes Hogan Petracca
FF: N-Bullen Weideman ...

R: ... Brayshaw ...

Western Bulldogs


FB: Smith Collins Williams
HB: Dale ... Webb
C: Daniel Bont Dunkley
HF McLean Cordy Honeychurch
FF: Prudden Boyd ...

R: ... Hunter Mcrae

I'm not surprised at all.
We are probably the team who's gone the hardest at a rebuild and drafting/trading in young kids over the last 2 years.

We've built up an envious group of talented youngsters in a very short space of time.

 

[My name geoff]

I'm not surprised at all.
We are probably the team who's gone the hardest at a rebuild and drafting/trading in young kids over the last 2 years.

We've built up an envious group of talented youngsters in a very short space of time.

Makes some of the commentary from the 'experts' laughable

 

[Soapy V]

I'm not surprised at all.
We are probably the team who's gone the hardest at a rebuild and drafting/trading in young kids over the last 2 years.

We've built up an envious group of talented youngsters in a very short space of time.

Yep. The fact that we have only been doing it for two drafts makes it even more impressive. Amazing actually

 

[Jimmae]

Just another point to consider, if we finish bottom 4 and Kreuzer attracts an offer worthy of band 1 compo (which I believe should be strongly considered), that deal would be billed by attracting a Fyfe by FA.

Not sure if want to be taking Fyfe at the expense of Kreuzer. I would only consider if it costs us nothing but cap space

Last year 500k/3 years was worth band 3 compensation if they were Kreuzer's age.

What do you think would trigger band 1 this year? Surely 750k+ and at least 3 years. I don't think that's going to happen, ergo get Fyfe.

 

[F_therest]

Makes some of the commentary from the 'experts' laughable

To be fair, i think most commentators refer to our team as young and can see we are building a talented group of youngsters.

It's only certain flogs like Lloyd who say our youngsters are shit.

 

[F_therest]

Last year 500k/3 years was worth band 3 compensation if they were Kreuzer's age.

What do you think would trigger band 1 this year? Surely 750k+ and at least 3 years. I don't think that's going to happen, ergo get Fyfe.

There are no set parameters. It's up to the AFL's discretion.

 

[F_therest]

Yep. The fact that we have only been doing it for two drafts makes it even more impressive. Amazing actually

Yep amazing by SOS and the team...such a quick turnaround.

2 years ago the only talented youngsters we had were Docherty, Cripps, Byrne and we thought Graham and Buckley...
Compare that to our haul now and it's truly an outstanding turnaround.

As mentioned i think i can honestly say in an unbiased way, we have the most promising group of 22 and under players.

Or at least level with any other team in the comp like GWS, Dogs, GC, Brisbane etc

 

[mikeythemoocow]

We could pay 4 mill in one year if the salary cap goes up by 25%

We should just give it all to Weitering and say have this up front and from here on out you will always be the 5/6/7/8th/(whatever number works) highest player at the club for your career. He wins by getting heaps up front and we win cause I'm 100% he would pay it back in spades. After the game on the weekend, he is special, so clean even in that downpour. Could be the 2010's best CHF.


Just out of interest, do player have to be payed as employees or could they be a sub contractor/company paid for services?

 

[Funk]

Just another point to consider, if we finish bottom 4 and Kreuzer attracts an offer worthy of band 1 compo (which I believe should be strongly considered), that deal would be billed by attracting a Fyfe by FA.

Not sure if want to be taking Fyfe at the expense of Kreuzer. I would only consider if it costs us nothing but cap space

Each year we need to determine if it is a year for FA's going IN or OUT of the club.

EG. no point letting Kreuz go in the same year we bring an FA in as we would get zero compensation.

Ideally we would alternate.

Send FA's out one year - bring FA's in the next - rinse and repeat

 

[Soapy V]

Yep amazing by SOS and the team...such a quick turnaround.

2 years ago the only talented youngsters we had were Docherty, Cripps, Byrne and we thought Graham and Buckley...
Compare that to our haul now and it's truly an outstanding turnaround.

As mentioned i think i can honestly say in an unbiased way, we have the most promising group of 22 and under players.

Or at least level with any other team in the comp like GWS, Dogs, GC, Brisbane etc

absolutely no doubt. we aint seen nothing yet

 

[mikeythemoocow]

Just another point to consider, if we finish bottom 4 and Kreuzer attracts an offer worthy of band 1 compo (which I believe should be strongly considered), that deal would be billed by attracting a Fyfe by FA.

Not sure if want to be taking Fyfe at the expense of Kreuzer. I would only consider if it costs us nothing but cap space

AFL has pretty much said they are closing that loop hole after the Frawley shit.

 

[Jimmae]

There are no set parameters. It's up to the AFL's discretion.

There are parameters set by the commission each year based on the current TPP distribution and figures as well anticipation of future years to ensure that it's all above board in terms of fair value.

If the result is deemed anomalous, the commissions then intervenes.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

They have rules about fair trades too, then Hawthorn sold their soul for a packet of stale twisties to St.Kilda.

Their excuse, the dude paid to look at this was on an excursion and not in at work on that day.

They make shit up on the run

Just on that, there's not been anywhere near enough scrutiny on this trade, I really hope Hawthorn finish bottom 4 just to highlight the charade in its entirety. Only problem with that is there's no way the Hawks will repay the favour to us this year for our shithouse trade we made with them late no doubt under a handshake agreement...

 

[Sector 7G]

There are parameters set by the commission each year based on the current TPP distribution and figures as well anticipation of future years to ensure that it's all above board in terms of fair value.

If the result is deemed anomalous, the commissions then intervenes.

If that was truely the case Richmond wouldn't have received any compensation for Vickery

 

[HBF]

$300k is fine to keep Daisy on, surely no one here can complain about that??

Yeah i'd be fine if he stayed for 2018 on $350k.

 

[HBF]

GET HOPPER

Agreed.
He should be our #1 target this year.

 

[Red Bull]

Yeah i'd be fine if he stayed for 2018 on $350k.

Seriously ?
With another intake of draftees , trades and possible FA's at seasons end along with natural maturity and improvement from our current crop of youngsters , do you really see Thomas at all in the senior team in 2018 ?

 

[HBF]

Zaharakis is a pea hearted football player. Is on par with ed curnow for disposal quality and doesn't have anything like eds ticker or courage. Massive pass for me and would extremely pissed off if we ended up with him.

I wouldn't go anywhere near him either. A massive front funner who still hasn't worked out how to work his way through a tag.

 

[Vamos Juddamente]

They have rules about fair trades too, then Hawthorn sold their soul for a packet of stale twisties to St.Kilda.

Their excuse, the dude paid to look at this was on an excursion and not in at work on that day.

They make shit up on the run

Just on that, there's not been anywhere near enough scrutiny on this trade, I really hope Hawthorn finish bottom 4 just to highlight the charade in its entirety. Only problem with that is there's no way the Hawks will repay the favour to us this year for our shithouse trade we made with them late no doubt under a handshake agreement...

Not sure you have been keeping close tabs on the trade we did with Hawthorn. We gave GWS's second round pick which will be a likely pick 30-36 and got MacReadie, Williamson & Kerr. Do you want pick 36 now and give those three to the Hawks. There was no handshake agreement obviously we delisted a lot of players so we needed picks to replace them. It just looks like at this stage we may have hit the jackpot with those picks.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

$300k is fine to keep Daisy on, surely no one here can complain about that??

No.
Poor, Average and Average in his 3 games so far.
Delist.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Not sure you have been keeping close tabs on the trade we did with Hawthorn. We gave GWS's second round pick which will be a likely pick 30-36 and got MacReadie, Williamson & Kerr. Do you want pick 36 now and give those three to the Hawks. There was no handshake agreement obviously we delisted a lot of players so we needed picks to replace them. It just looks like at this stage we may have hit the jackpot with those picks.

We've got lucky, the deal itself was shit

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I wouldn't go anywhere near him either. A massive front funner who still hasn't worked out how to work his way through a tag.

If only he liked needles...