Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion

[Pafloyul]

Seriously this KPF talk in my opinion is not warranted. We recruit another KPF the likelihood is we will lose McKay as he will want opportunities. We have McKay,Silvagni, Kerr,Weitering & Curnow that's more than a handy forward line to kick a score. If anything we need a crumbing forward/midfielder to assist. Hopefully Graham is one who can perform a role. You say McKay hasn't proven anything and your right however he's 19 and had a couple of years development. Do you think if we recruit another KPP he will be playing seniors in the next few years? Mcartin, Boyd & Schace are all struggling to get games and all were taken in the top two 2-5 years ago.

It depends on who is available when our first pick comes around. We certainly do need another KPF if we find that Weitering needs to go back to the back line permanently, for whatever reason. McKay is more likely to leave if we trade in a KPF rather than draft one. He'll be signed up for at least another two years before he even knows who will be coming to the club through the draft. That should give him some extra time and the competition may be good for him.

There's plenty of twists and turns to happen before we know what pick we'll have and who'll suit our club. Personally, I'd want a good sized power athlete who can set up play at ground level as well as be good in the air. That's what I think will complement our list the most, regardless to whether they end up playing forward or in the midfield.

 

[Benaly28]

Thoughts on Sam Reid as a FA?

Gets injured too often like his brother,doesn't rip games apart and doesn't get many posies to hurt you.

 

[reubsblues]

Thoughts on Sam Reid as a FA?

Would much rather zac jones

 

[CRIPPA9]

Thoughts on Sam Reid as a FA?

Not with his rumoured asking wage of 800k p.a...

 

[LordLucifer]

I'd just like to say that the thought of Jones taking a kick-out scares the shit outta me.

I can't see him taking a kick-in let alone making it as a CHB but stranger things have happened.

 

[thylacine60]

name one

 

[LordLucifer]

name one

Trump
beehive colony collapse disorder
Merkel
the Lichtenberg figure
Brexit
dairy milk chocolate w/ vegemite

 

[Sector 7G]

Not with his rumoured asking wage of 800k p.a...

Sounds like he will be playing with his brother. 2 goals in the last 5 weeks isn't the output I would be looking for on that sort of coin.

 

[thylacine60]

Trump
beehive colony collapse disorder
Merkel
the Lichtenberg figure
Brexit
dairy milk chocolate w/ vegemite

I hate the Lichtenberg figure.........

 

[Blue__Balls]

Not with his rumoured asking wage of 800k p.a...

Yep, happy to let Richmond or Collingwood get their hands stuck in that honey jar. Will be one less club in the market in coming years.

With any luck, the one that misses out might be tempted to dangle a real big Band 1 or 2 carrot in front of Levi.

 

[LordLucifer]

I hate the Lichtenberg figure.........

Don't stand outside in a lightning storm then.

 

[thylacine60]

now he tells me.........

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I agree with what you say to an extent but you are picking and choosing abit. Saying that Adelaide lost because their best midfielder was tagged is ridiculous. You could also say that Adelaide lost because they had a gun fullback that smashed Tex so they are more important. You could also say if it wasn't for Wright and Lynch then Gold Coast would be bottom of the ladder.

Yeah I know but there's always two ways of looking at it. My opinion is the midfield is what lets them down. I also believe that in regards to our side McKay, Jack, Ben and Charlie will be decent enough with a gun mid field feeding to them.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I'm open to trading 2018 first IF we feel Ben will be a star and therefore getting him without using a first is possible.

RE Gibbs, you deal IF what is offered is worth it.

But here's the rub, didn't you all notice how hard Gibbs attacked the contest last week? I've never seen him play with such ferocity and anger. He was virtually looking for punch ons early. Now that could be due to anything but possibly he has decided within himself that a. This side is seriously going places and b. I therefore want to stay LT now as I believe I can be a premiership player at CFC

Yeah I agree he certainly played like that. But also, I think it was Pendles who was stirring him up before the first bounce that got him riled up.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Gorringe is a decent stop gap to give us a goal a game and ruck relief, with McKay coming into the team and Charlie playing more midfield minutes.

I think Levi's fate is as tied to what we look to do with free agency, Charlie and SOS as much as it might be his own form.

If we are relying on Gorringe we are in big trouble.
In likely delist group IMO.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Thoughts on Sam Reid as a FA?

Absolutely the right fit for Carlton. Doesn't cost us draft picks either.

 

[HARKER]

Thoughts on Sam Reid as a FA?

Reid would be a much better fit for us, than Schache.
Reid is only 25, giving him anything up to 7 years left in the game and being a FA just makes it all the more appealing.

This one makes sense to me, unless we have something special in sights, next year or the year after.
We do though have to start spending our bankings, now though.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Reid would be a much better fit for us, than Schache.
Reid is only 25, giving him anything up to 7 years left in the game and being a FA just makes it all the more appealing.

This one makes sense to me, unless we have something special in sights, next year or the year after.
We do though have to start spending our bankings, now though.

Yep makes sense to me too . Readymade player we dont have to give picks up for . Gives us that extra tall that malifice is so craving . Allows us to work on our most pressing need in the midfield with our èarly picks . Takes up some salary cap room that has to be spent . And if we need to draft another tall in 3 years if Mckay or Kerr dont look the goods then we still have Reid as a good option . Would also give us a chance to have a look at BSilvagni if he firstly makes it and gets to senior football .

 

[HARKER]

Yep makes sense to me too . Readymade player we dont have to give picks up for . Gives us that extra tall that malifice is so craving . Allows us to work on our most pressing need in the midfield with our èarly picks . Takes up some salary cap room that has to be spent . And if we need to draft another tall in 3 years if Mckay or Kerr dont look the goods then we still have Reid as a good option . Would also give us a chance to have a look at BSilvagni if he firstly makes it and gets to senior football .

The thing with someone like Reid, and even though he isn't a world-beater, is that he is flexible.
Can play forward and back if the situation arises.

He's no Tom Lynch nor Jeremy Cameron, but do you have to be?
With a good mid-field in place, I feel we have the right talls to make the right impact....back & forward; Weitering, Marchbank, CCurnow, Macreadie and all being well, Mckay. Sam Reid would not go astray in this line-up, but reckon his stocks will rise if he doesn't put pen to paper for the Swans.

I'd be happy should we get Reid and save the picks to get the midfielders we so much require.

 

[Iamcarlton]

The thing with someone like Reid, and even though he isn't a world-beater, is that he is flexible.
Can play forward and back if the situation arises.

He's no Tom Lynch nor Jeremy Cameron, but do you have to be?
With a good mid-field in place, I feel we have the right talls to make the right impact....back & forward; Weitering, Marchbank, CCurnow, Macreadie and all being well, Mckay. Sam Reid would not go astray in this line-up, but reckon his stocks will rise if he doesn't put pen to paper for the Swans.

Ticks all the boxes , as you said he isnt a world beater but hes handy and his flexibility is valuable also , very true . Of course we would have to pay overs as pretty much all FA come at but thats par for the course if you want a FA or RFA of any quality .

 

[HARKER]

I'm stuck on Reid now, as he'd make for that 'relative' freebie, enabling our mid-attack.

This years first nets us a quality young mid at the draft and next years first gets us Hopper.
In the meantime SPS, CCurnow, Fisher, Polson and Cuningham have another year behind them and......
All of a sudden we have a midfield.

 

[BluesRule]

The thing with someone like Reid, and even though he isn't a world-beater, is that he is flexible.
Can play forward and back if the situation arises.

He's no Tom Lynch nor Jeremy Cameron, but do you have to be?
With a good mid-field in place, I feel we have the right talls to make the right impact....back & forward; Weitering, Marchbank, CCurnow, Macreadie and all being well, Mckay. Sam Reid would not go astray in this line-up, but reckon his stocks will rise if he doesn't put pen to paper for the Swans.

I'd be happy should we get Reid and save the picks to get the midfielders we so much require.

Not a fan of getting Reid in to CFC. Not a step up on the potential of any of young guys, cost in $$$ (did I hear $500K+ over 3+ years) will be high and I do not expect output to match. He kicked 6 goals in one game this year which is awesome, but has only kicked 5 goals in 6 other games. If you stop Buddy you stop the Swans, and Reid is not getting free despite the best defenders focusing on Buddy. Is Reid better than Weitering or Casboult? Just cannot see why we should bother as it slows down McKay and Kerr and BSOS getting games and developing.

Also sends the wrong message to the group after SOS has pushed down Wages (refer Casboult, Touhy, etc.) and I think our $$$ resources can be better spent elsewhere.

 

[HARKER]

Not a fan of getting Reid in to CFC. Not a step up on the potential of any of young guys, cost in $$$ (did I hear $500K+ over 3+ years) will be high and I do not expect output to match. He kicked 6 goals in one game this year which is awesome, but has only kicked 5 goals in 6 other games. If you stop Buddy you stop the Swans, and Reid is not getting free despite the best defenders focusing on Buddy. Is Reid better than Weitering or Casboult? Just cannot see why we should bother as it slows down McKay and Kerr and BSOS getting games and developing.

Also sends the wrong message to the group after SOS has pushed down Wages (refer Casboult, Touhy, etc.) and I think our $$$ resources can be better spent elsewhere.

Reid doesn't have to be better but just to complement what we have.
The one downside of attaining Reid may be that we don't get anything for Casboult, should he walk as a FA. That would be a problem.

This isn't the most important thing and not to be the motivational factor on attaining players but........we have to spend money.
Plenty of time for things to open up, but if we must spend the money this year, we best be smart about it.
Maybe the soon-to-be signings of SPS and CCurnow have something to do with that.

 

[I AM CARLTON]

The way Kruezer and Casboult are playing id be happy if the club keep them both.

Gorringe is at best a 2nd reserve ruckman any talk of him replacing Casboult in the forward line is just farcical!

 

[I AM CARLTON]

Club should keep attacking the draft. As far as free agents go I reckon the club should only look at top end midfielders. I feel like our tall talent is coming along very very nicely and we don't need to bring in any key position free agents.