Draft Review 2017 - Revisit the 2017 AFL draft

[danster168]

My top 10. - LDU could end up 1 or 2 depending on how he goes from here. Starcevich unlucky.

Naughton
Brayshaw
LDU
Taylor
Allen
Fritch
Rayner
Kelly
Higgins
Powell

Oscar Allen before Fritsch? I strongly disagree with this. Fritsch has kicked 55 and 59 goals in the last 2 years and made the AA squad. Allen has done nothing to get anywhere near the AA squad in the last couple of years.

 

[gungho]

Rayner nowhere near the top 10. or top 15. Probably not top 20.

14.9 possessions a game and 1.1 goals per game playing for a top 4 team.

If stats were the only thing that mattered Gary Rohan wouldn't have played 10 games in the AFL.

 

[danster168]

If stats were the only thing that mattered Gary Rohan wouldn't have played 10 games in the AFL.

Gary Rohan is a highly criticised player though because his inconsistency has plagued him his whole career. Comparing Rayner to Rohan is a fair comparison. Rayner didn't make it as a forward so they trialed him in the middle. He failed there so they tried to move him back. He failed there so they moved him back forward again and he has been average there. Not bad, not good. At least Gary Rohan chases. Rayner is horrific defensively, not to mention he can't find the football. I'd take him at pick 24 from the 2017 draft and that's based purely on upside. Not what he has delivered thus far.

 

[gungho]

Gary Rohan is a highly criticised player though because his inconsistency has plagued him his whole career. Comparing Rayner to Rohan is a fair comparison. Rayner didn't make it as a forward so they trialed him in the middle. He failed there so they tried to move him back. He failed there so they moved him back forward again and he has been average there. Not bad, not good.

My point is that using stats to justify a players performance is not that useful (in my opinion). You have used goal kicking stats to justify why Fritch is better than Allen, but, apart from playing in the forward line, they are completely different players. Does Fritch ruck for example?

 

[danster168]

My point is that using stats to justify a players performance is not that useful (in my opinion). You have used goal kicking stats to justify why Fritch is better than Allen, but, apart from playing in the forward line, they are completely different players. Does Fritch ruck for example?

I agree that stats aren't the be all and end all but Fritsch kicked 6 in a grand final and almost won a norm smith and is arguably the best hybrid forward in the league. I think for Allen to be in the top 10 conversation he needs to get into the AA squad a couple of times first. Allen has had a good 9 games. He doesn't play ruck either. He's had 1 hitout all year. I do recognise that he's playing for a worse team which does make his performances more commendable.

 

[rye]

I agree that stats aren't the be all and end all but Fritsch kicked 6 in a grand final and almost won a norm smith and is arguably the best hybrid forward in the league. I think for Allen to be in the top 10 conversation he needs to get into the AA squad a couple of times first. Allen has had a good 9 games. He doesn't play ruck either. He's had 1 hitout all year. I do recognise that he's playing for a worse team which does make his performances more commendable.

you have baker, bailey and moore in your top 10 posted a few pages back

how many AA squads have those 3 made?

Allen is a gun who missed the year he was going to take the next big step due to injury. I think he will easily be in the top 10 of this draft if he gets a good run with injury when everything is said and done

 

[GWS Goose]

He's being played forward a bit so you realistically wouldn't expect him to be putting up midfield numbers. What I like about him is he's an impact player. He has the power to burst from a pack with a handball or kick - and that has to be of higher value than the accumulators of the game.

agree 100% with this

 

[danster168]

you have baker, bailey and moore in your top 10 posted a few pages back

how many AA squads have those 3 made?

Allen is a gun who missed the year he was going to take the next big step due to injury. I think he will easily be in the top 10 of this draft if he gets a good run with injury when everything is said and done

True. The list isn't rigid. but how do you measure someone who hits form at 25 versus someone who has played consistent good football for 7 years beforehand? The body of work needs to be considered too right? If Allen hits his straps at 25, does that completely offset the 6 years prior where he was just an ok player with upside?

Even with Max Gawn it took him 7 years just to be a regular best 22 player. So as good as he's been, half of his career he wasn't contributing.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Allen is an absolute star who is being hidden because the rest of WC is generationally bad. He’d be leading the Coleman in just about any other team. Naughton, Brayshaw and LDU the only ones I’d take above him personally.

 

[Supersuns]

Still prefer BZT over Ballard eth-dog?

 

[nahnah]

I no longer have Stephenson number 1. Nathan Murphy

28

Nathan Murphy

Age

25

Ht

192cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

3star

MG

176.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

176.5

3star

is my new number 1

 

[eth-dog]

Still prefer BZT over Ballard eth-dog?

Honestly barely seen the sun's all season but apparently having a great year. I've always seen him more as a medium ala Ridley and Zerk as an actual key defender.

 

[Tulip]

Ballard is taller than BZT

 

[eth-dog]

Ballard is taller than BZT

Different styles. Ridley is the same height as him but isn't a key defender either

 

[Supersuns]

Honestly barely seen the sun's all season but apparently having a great year. I've always seen him more as a medium ala Ridley and Zerk as an actual key defender.

Ballard has been a better 1v1 defender than Collins this year. Averages more 1v1s and wins more. He is an actual KPD.

 

[GWS Goose]

Ballard has been a better 1v1 defender than Collins this year. Averages more 1v1s and wins more. He is an actual KPD.

Being a defender and a Suns player, he is close to the most underrated player in the comp

 

[Hawks_4478]

Not a bad draft. In fact an extremely deep draft. If you could go back in time, how would you place the order now? Who do you think I've been harsh on? Who do you think I've been too generous on. Create your own list (top 10, 20, 30 or 40)

1. Naughton (9)
2. Andrew Brayshaw (2)
3. Davies-Uniacke (4)
4. Sam Taylor (28)
5. Bayley Fritsch (31)
6. Tim Kelly (24)
7. Liam Ryan (26)
8. Dylan Moore (67)
9. Liam Baker (Rookie)
10. Zac Bailey (15)
11. Adam Cerra (5)
12. Starcevich (18)
13. Jiath (Cat B rook)
14. Mihocek (Rookie)
15. Tom De Koning (30)
16. Harrison Petty (37)
17. Ed Richards (16)
18. Noah Balta (25)
19. Tom McCartin (33)
20. Jack Higgins (17)
21. Darcy Fogarty (12)
22. Nathan Murphy (39)
23. Oscar Allen (21)
24. Cam Rayner (1)
25. Roarke Smith (Rookie)
26. Brent Daniels (27)
27. Switkowski (73)
28. Jaiden Stephenson (6)
29. Worpel (45)
30. Tristan Xerri (72)
31. Ainsworth (32)
32. Amartey (Rook)
33. Charlie Spargo (29)
34. Will Powell (19)
35. Hunter Clarke (7)
36. Gryan Miers (57)
37. Nick Holman (Rookie)
38. Lloyd Meek (69)
39. Matt Guelfi (76)
40. Nick Coffield (8)

lol Oscar Allen at 23.

 

[aussierulesrules]

lol Oscar Allen at 23.

And well behind the painfully average TDK as well!

 

[danster168]

And well behind the painfully average TDK as well!

Put them both on the open market. TDK is getting offered more.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Put them both on the open market. TDK is getting offered more.

Highly debatable, but regardless, Allen is IMO far far better at football.

 

[danster168]

Highly debatable, but regardless, Allen is IMO far far better at football.

Yeah, he's probably passed TDK on output right now but this is career football that Oscar Allen is playing and career worst footy that TDK is playing so I'll wait until TDK gets back to his best.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Put them both on the open market. TDK is getting offered more.

Has TDK ever played a very good game though? The amount of hype is so disproportionate to his output

 

[danster168]

Has TDK ever played a very good game though? The amount of hype is so disproportionate to his output

To be fair, freo fans were saying the same thing about Jackson. I mean Oscar Allen had produced very little before this season. Just glimpses.

 

[eth-dog]

Has TDK ever played a very good game though? The amount of hype is so disproportionate to his output

He's easily the most overrated player on Carlton's list. Which is the most overrated list in the AFL.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The Allen vs Naughton debate is going to get more and more interesting each year I think.

Naughton miles ahead as it stands because he's been so good from day dot but if you could pick one of them to be your number 1 KPF the next 6 years, who would you pick?