2017 Trade and FA thread

[Clubbeta]

By next year all 3 will have 3 pre seasons under their belt, not 4 and you do realise that Parish, Hopper and Kennedy are from the same draft as Keays and Mathieson and only 1 year ahead of Berry and McCluggage? They aren't 30-100 games more experienced... Anyway I like them as potential trade targets don't get me wrong. Take them for what they are though, young talents they aren't quality, experienced players, not yet anyway.

Your missing the point again sorry. The 30-100 games is for all 5 of my targets and it's not 30-100 more then our current young talent. I never said that its that many more then who we could draft this year with the picks we would need to trade for them. Those draftees would all have 0 games experience and be more risk prone to leaving then players that would have had chosen to come. 3 of the 5 being from the same draft as keays and Matho isn't a bad thing. Matho and Parish are good mates. They are all mids so don't need as many games/preseason to be classified as experienced then say a kpp. If we needed to trade in a Kpp to build out list short term then sure we would need a 24-25year old. You can't say our best 22 with those 5 players included wouldn't win a stack load more games then our current one. We wouldn't have given up high end draft picks for what people call b and c graders either. All have chance to be or are genuine a graders. Another thing that would make our team more competitive next years is all the players you mentioned of ours will be a year older and have an extra preseason in them also. Using my plan though we wouldn't be playing many if any 18/19 first games next year in our 22. We would only be drafting a couple of academy players and maybe 1 from the main draft pool. The average of our whole list goes up more then 1 year, the average game of the 22 we field each week would be most probably up by more then 2 years and our average games experienced of the 22 would be much higher. Effectively we would have bridged a fair chunk of the gap we have with the rest of the league in those regards.

 

[briztoon]

Your missing the point again sorry. The 30-100 games is for all 5 of my targets and it's not 30-100 more then our current young talent. I never said that its that many more then who we could draft this year with the picks we would need to trade for them. Those draftees would all have 0 games experience and be more risk prone to leaving then players that would have had chosen to come. 3 of the 5 being from the same draft as keays and Matho isn't a bad thing. Matho and Parish are good mates. They are all mids so don't need as many games/preseason to be classified as experienced then say a kpp. If we needed to trade in a Kpp to build out list short term then sure we would need a 24-25year old. You can't say our best 22 with those 5 players included wouldn't win a stack load more games then our current one. We wouldn't have given up high end draft picks for what people call b and c graders either. All have chance to be or are genuine a graders. Another thing that would make our team more competitive next years is all the players you mentioned of ours will be a year older and have an extra preseason in them also. Using my plan though we wouldn't be playing many if any 18/19 first games next year in our 22. We would only be drafting a couple of academy players and maybe 1 from the main draft pool. The average of our whole list goes up more then 1 year, the average game of the 22 we field each week would be most probably up by more then 2 years and our average games experienced of the 22 would be much higher. Effectively we would have bridged a fair chunk of the gap we have with the rest of the league in those regards.

It would cost all of our 2017 and draft picks to get Parish, Hopper and Kennedy, including any acquired from trading Schache, and possible a first and/or second round future pick in 2018.

We would be going in to deficit to draft Ballenden, and possibly Payne depending where he ends up being bid on.

I'm not arguing against trading for those guys if they want to come here, I'm just saying you need to be realistic with what it would cost to get them.

May as well trade Schache straight up for Parrish, our first for Hopper and Ports pick for Kennedy. If we could do that, we probably have enough picks/points to match a bid on Ballenden, Payne and hope Clayton falls to the rookie draft.

 

[M Malice]

Extremely confident that Fagan, Noble and Ambrogio will be targeting the exact type of player we need via trade/FA this year, whether they want to come here is another matter though.

Of the even semi realistic targets Jacob Hopper would be on the top of my list. What we desperately need is for Josh Walker to really step up in defense and Close and/or Freeman (5th pre seasons next year) as KPFs.

 

[Fitzroy bears]

Extremely confident that Fagan, Noble and Ambrogio will be targeting the exact type of player we need via trade/FA this year, whether they want to come here is another matter though.

Of the even semi realistic targets Jacob Hopper would be on the top of my list. What we desperately need is for Josh Walker to really step up in defense and Close and/or Freeman (5th pre seasons next year) as KPFs.

I personally think walker, bastinac and bell are living on borrowed time. If we had the money which we don't, we should be cutting our losses this year. Bastinac to lesser extent. Atm these guys don't offer anymore then a young fella imo. Their mistakes just contribute to bigger losses atm and we can get that from developing a younger guy

 

[Clubbeta]

It would cost all of our 2017 and draft picks to get Parish, Hopper and Kennedy, including any acquired from trading Schache, and possible a first and/or second round future pick in 2018.

We would be going in to deficit to draft Ballenden, and possibly Payne depending where he ends up being bid on.

I'm not arguing against trading for those guys if they want to come here, I'm just saying you need to be realistic with what it would cost to get them.

May as well trade Schache straight up for Parrish, our first for Hopper and Ports pick for Kennedy. If we could do that, we probably have enough picks/points to match a bid on Ballenden, Payne and hope Clayton falls to the rookie draft.

Hopper on his own isn't worth our first this year. That's more then likely going to be pick 1 now. How I would work it is trade Schache for 2 firsts and pick 1 for another 2 firsts. This would leave us 5 firsts and a very early second. Using those 6 picks we should be able to bring in those 5 and match a bid for Ballenden. Payne and Clayton bids would be much later in the draft.

 

[lioninthesand]

I want us to offer pick 1 to the dogs for JJ.

try lure him up into the sunshine on a 5 year, 5 million dollar deal.

Probs only worth 650k but we need dash and poise of half back and maybe, just maybe.. he could be susecptible to a mega offer.

 

[lions27]

I want us to offer pick 1 to the dogs for JJ.

try lure him up into the sunshine on a 5 year, 5 million dollar deal.

Probs only worth 650k but we need dash and poise of half back and maybe, just maybe.. he could be susecptible to a mega offer.

I think he would struggle in a weak team.

 

[lions27]

I personally think walker, bastinac and bell are living on borrowed time. If we had the money which we don't, we should be cutting our losses this year. Bastinac to lesser extent. Atm these guys don't offer anymore then a young fella imo. Their mistakes just contribute to bigger losses atm and we can get that from developing a younger guy

Walker isn't to bad, plays in Def, punches in the Ruck and Fwd. Nearly bagged 3 goals last night too.
Bastinac showed last year that his best is good enough, if he can't get back to that form by the end of the year then yeah no point keeping him around.
Bell is a butcher,?he isn't going to suddenly learn how to kick or think- time to say bye.

 

[lioninthesand]

I think he would struggle in a weak team.

Yeah maybe, but id take that risk. Love the way he plays.

 

[lioninthesand]

I think we need to give walker a good 12 months before we decide whether he can defend or not. No superstar, but could be a 3rd - 4th defender with time - he can ruck and go forward so versitile, plus us a great bloke.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I think we need to give walker a good 12 months before we decide whether he can defend or not. No superstar, but could be a 3rd - 4th defender with time - he can ruck and go forward so versitile, plus us a great bloke.

He's probably a good option if he stops dropping easy marks. FFS

 

[Dalions]

He's probably a good option if he stops dropping easy marks. FFS

He is not on his own there, its like a cancer spreading through the entire list.

 

[Carlos Danger]

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I want us to offer pick 1 to the dogs for JJ.

try lure him up into the sunshine on a 5 year, 5 million dollar deal.

Probs only worth 650k but we need dash and poise of half back and maybe, just maybe.. he could be susecptible to a mega offer.

Pick one for JJ that's a good deal for us?

I've got a used Mitsubitshi I can sell to you for $200,000 If you wanna pay massive overs for something

His value I reckon lies in the 20s

 

[Cockliff38]

As mentioned earlier JJ would likely be exposed in a bad team.

On that note, we've dodged some considerable bullets in recent years - imagine being as sh** as we are now with the added loaded contracts of Suckling and Jenkins... Suckling is overrated with a hit and miss left foot and Jenkins is arguably the biggest downhill skier in the competition.

 

[Tim F]

Why would you be johansen 1 million that's ridiculous we got Cedric cox give him 2 years and he will be exactly the player we looking for along with witherden and his kicking off half back .

 

[lioninthesand]

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Pick one for JJ that's a good deal for us?

I've got a used Mitsubitshi I can sell to you for $200,000 If you wanna pay massive overs for something

His value I reckon lies in the 20s

As opposed to what mate? A kid leaving after 2 years. You are incorrect about his worth being a puck in the 20's - that is what you pay for a jack redden. But yes, its slightly overs, but thats what it would take. Maybe a later pick shuffle.

 

[lioninthesand]

Why would you be johansen 1 million that's ridiculous we got Cedric cox give him 2 years and he will be exactly the player we looking for along with witherden and his kicking off half back .

So our devalopmemt history would confidently indicate Cox will be JJ in 2 years?. His asking price is 750k by all reports, it might take 1m to get him up here. Its a bold move, but watching him the other night, he is exactly what we need. If we want an A grade star, that is going to be willing to move.

 

[Carlos Danger]

As opposed to what mate? A kid leaving after 2 years. You are incorrect about his worth being a puck in the 20's - that is what you pay for a jack redden. But yes, its slightly overs, but thats what it would take. Maybe a later pick shuffle.

Don't forget we will be last JJ is out of contract if (big if) We can convince him to come to us, he can walk in the PSD for nothing.
So that's a trade advantage to us, meaning dogs will have to let him go for less that what they might value him at.
If JJ left as a Free agent next year they would be lucky to get end of first round so he's gotta be around 15-20 In value now

 

[spotthedog1]

JJ worth a pick in the teens for mine. Premiership player and all that. Would have to pay him significant overs to get him here, and word on the street is that we don't have loads of salary cap left. I'm not sure how, but apparently...

 

[lions27]

JJ worth a pick in the teens for mine. Premiership player and all that. Would have to pay him significant overs to get him here, and word on the street is that we don't have loads of salary cap left. I'm not sure how, but apparently...

Hard to believe but not surprising when you look at some of our trade pick ups.
Noble was thrown a hand grenade

 

[briztoon]

Hopper on his own isn't worth our first this year. That's more then likely going to be pick 1 now. How I would work it is trade Schache for 2 firsts and pick 1 for another 2 firsts. This would leave us 5 firsts and a very early second. Using those 6 picks we should be able to bring in those 5 and match a bid for Ballenden. Payne and Clayton bids would be much later in the draft.

Only two other teams hold two first round picks, and it's doubtful St Kilda parts with their two picks for a single higher pick.

 

[briztoon]

I want us to offer pick 1 to the dogs for JJ.

try lure him up into the sunshine on a 5 year, 5 million dollar deal.

Probs only worth 650k but we need dash and poise of half back and maybe, just maybe.. he could be susecptible to a mega offer.

No ****ing way. We are definitely missing a JJ type, but that is massive overs.

We have so many needs, and I wouldn't be chasing big money players in positions where we have kids developing.

We've got Cox, William and Allison who will hopefully add speed and defensive pressure, and Witherden who will hopefully add class and elite disposal, across half back and half forward.

 

[pulpdriver]

JJ worth a pick in the teens for mine. Premiership player and all that. Would have to pay him significant overs to get him here, and word on the street is that we don't have loads of salary cap left. I'm not sure how, but apparently...

That can't be true. Horrific mismanagement if so. Better off just delisting a few early at the end of this season, wearing the pain of a really young team with shallow depth (which we're all used to anyway) and then using 2019 as a fresh start with plenty of cap space for the kids. Maybe a free agent or senior trade-in if we're showing potential/signs of improvement.

 

[wantok]

Any love for Zak Jones? Really starting to blossom as a hard at it midfielder. Just the type we need i reckon. Would be getting offers in the 400k from Melbourne clubs.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Any love for Zak Jones? Really starting to blossom as a hard at it midfielder. Just the type we need i reckon. Would be getting offers in the 400k from Melbourne clubs.

A good player but I suspect another bloke that will head for the bright lights of Melbourne.