2017 Trade and FA thread

[jackess]

Don't we have to offer a contract to get free agency compensation otherwise we're delisting him?

 

[Carlos Danger]

Reported on On the Couch that Tom Rockliff has been offered a new contract by the Lions, but it is for less than what he is currently on.

Read into that what you will.

He would be currently on a bit though I would've thought. Would've been the top earner when he signed it originally

 

[jjami15]

Reported on On the Couch that Tom Rockliff has been offered a new contract by the Lions, but it is for less than what he is currently on.

Read into that what you will.

Wasn't there a comment about Adelaide in there as well? I still see someone like the Hawks or another Vic team being interested in Rocky.

 

[Dylan12]

Wasn't there a comment about Adelaide in there as well? I still see someone like the Hawks or another Vic team being interested in Rocky.

There was, but it was pretty ambiguous and I wasn't sure how the comment to Browny about "Adelaide" and "Mark Ricciuto" exactly tied in.

 

[Codeforgolions]

It was later revealed that Jeremy Laidler had been doing some grass roots self promotion under the alias 'Banyo Bloods'

Superb LOL

 

[Lazza16]

Wasn't there a comment about Adelaide in there as well? I still see someone like the Hawks or another Vic team being interested in Rocky.

Part of Charlie trade with Adelaide perhaps. Next year we probably don't need to pay him so much to reach 92% of salary cap. I really think it would be best for rocky to have a fresh start somewhere else.

 

[SizeMatters]

From the upcoming media info thread, thanks Maboo

Interesting, I wonder who is out there in that age bracket that we can entice north. I have a feeling in my bones that Fagan, Noble and Ambrogio may pull off an unexpected coup this trade period.
26 YEARS OLD
Matthew Broadbent, Hamish Hartlett, Mitch Brown, Phil Davis, Shaun McKernan, Tom Lynch, Charlie Dixon, Jackson Trengove, Jordan Roughead, Taylor Hunt, Ryan Schoenmakers, Jonathon Beech, Aaron Hall, Luke Breust, Ciaran Sheehan, Aaron Black, Rhys Stanley, Jack Redden, Jack Redpath, Chris Yarran, Steele Sidebottom, Shane Savage, Michael Walters, Tom Jonas, Jonathon Ceglar, Timothy Smith, Dan Hannebery, Liam Jones, David Astbury, Jack Ziebell, Tom Hickey, Majak Daw, Steven Motlop, Rory Thompson, Mason Cox, Josh Cowan, Jack Watts, Mark Blicavs, Jasper Pittard, Sam Shaw, Taylor Duryea, Liam Shiels, Tom Scully, Allen Christensen, Brad Sheppard, Mark Hutchings, Gary Rohan, Mitch Duncan, Tom Bell, Koby Stevens, Dylan Roberton, Ryan Bastinac, Ryan Abbott, Nathan Vardy, Jack Fitzpatrick, Dustin Martin, Ben Cunnington, Andrew Phillips, Dylan Grimes

25 YEARS OLD
Shane Biggs, Ryan Harwood, Travis Colyer, Jake Melksham, Patrick Ambrose, Claye Beams, Jack Trengove, Daniel Menzel, Ben Griffiths, Nat Fyfe, Jamie Macmillan, Jake Carlisle, Ben Sinclair, Josh Thomas, Daniel Talia, Corey Maynard, Matt Korcheck, Matt Dea, Jack Gunston, Tom Campbell, Kyle Hartigan, Kane Lambert, Sam Reid, Max Gawn, Ben Jacobs, Steven May, Brodie Smith, Alex Keath, Paul Seedsman, Sam Gray, Matt Shaw, Jake Batchelor, Maverick Weller, Daniel Lloyd, Aaron Mullett, Jack Frost, Anthony Miles, Alex Johnson, Aaron Vandenberg, Tom Nicholls, Hugh Greenwood, Sam Menegola, Brandon Matera, Jordan Murdoch, Trent McKenzie, Jeremy McGovern, Jamie Cripps, Tom Ruggles, Dyson Heppell, Tom Liberatore, Nick Haynes, Cameron Sutcliffe, Daniel Gorringe, Josh Bruce, Alex Fasolo, Billie Smedts, Jack Darling, Andrew Gaff, Will Langford, Adam Kennedy, Ben McNiece, Sam Naismith, Jarryd Lyons

24 YEARS OLD
Reece Conca, Cameron Guthrie, Luke Dahlhaus, Jamie Elliott, Mitch Hallahan, Josh Green, Ryan Lester, Sam Day, Shaun Atley, Jarrod Witts, Tom McDonald, Luke Brown, Scott Lycett, Josh Caddy, Harley Bennell, Jared Polec, Dion Prestia, Jed Lamb, Mitch Wallis, Luke Parker, Tom Lynch, Adam Oxley, Jason Johannisen, Josh Walker, David Swallow, Ben Brown, Aaron Young, George Horlin-Smith, Nathan Wilson, Nic Newman, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Paul Hunter, Rory Lobb, Michael Talia, Blake Grewar, Jack Newnes, Jackson Merrett, Jack Hombsch, Dylan Shiel, Adam Treloar, Curtly Hampton, Shane Kersten, Tom Stewart, Dylan Buckley, Jeremy Cameron, Simon Tunbridge, Tomas Bugg, Joel Hamling, Nathan Broad, Robbie Fox, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, Sam Kerridge, Tom Downie, Todd Elton, Sebastian Ross, Clay Smith, Billy Longer, Jonathon Patton, Devon Smith, Rupert Wills, Lachie Neale, Tom Mitchell, Fletcher Roberts, Lin Jong, Michael Hartley, Dom Tyson, Matt Taberner, Jacob Townsend, Jimmy Webster, Marcus Adams, Bradley Hill, Fraser McInnes, Marley Williams, Chad Wingard

Wouldn't mind Tom Nicholls as a replacement for Martin. Hard to get a game in when Witts has been arguably the best ruck in the comp this year. A bit lazy from reports though...

 

[Big Sauce 21]

video on twitter saying the offer is still more than other clubs.

 

[Fitz Roy]

Rocky wants years, will sacrifice $$. Family first this time.

 

[Codeforgolions]

Wouldn't mind Tom Nicholls as a replacement for Martin. Hard to get a game in when Witts has been arguably the best ruck in the comp this year. A bit lazy from reports though...

I am suggesting b grundy collingwood unsigned pre season draft . Dislike collingwood immensely. Good age bracket.imposing like martin. 23 yeras old. Stick the knife into Buckley.

 

[John_Proctor]

Tom brown on talking footy (7) said that Rockliff would get most coin from Brisbane. Was 'pretty settled here' and thought he'd end up staying.

 

[winged1]

The offer will represent where he sits in the team hierarchy now. Previous contract he was our best and captain. He has struggled with his body for the last few years too

Zorko and Beams will be past him and the likes of Schache, Hipwood, Andrews are more important to our longer term planning.

Given many of our third years have also taken a big step forward and we want to keep all of the talent from the last couple of drafts, there will be pressure. We might also be on the hunt for someone through the trade period.

 

[lioninthesand]

Beams is right about the gap in the 24-26 year old age bracket. Our list looks good, finally got some top end talent, but age profile is still an absolute mess.

 

[chopperduck]

Problem is there is no easy fix for this age gap. That is prime years for players, so you are either giving up something good (draft picks) to get those players or you are getting plodders, which doesnt really improve the list. You can do well by finding the bargin players like Robbo, but this is hard to do. We arent in the position to spend draft picks because we need them to keep bringing in young talent.

We simply need to stay the course and wait for our young players to age into that missing age gap. Doing that and continuing to hit up the draft will bring in talent and fix the gap. Trading picks also risks creating a new age gap in the future by missing a few drafts.

Take opportunities when they come up with the likes of Cameron, maybe try lure a FA or 2, but we can't afford to trade much.

 

[SRH17]

Reported on On the Couch that Tom Rockliff has been offered a new contract by the Lions, but it is for less than what he is currently on.

Read into that what you will.

Sounds like a Hawks model to me - hopefully gone are the days of dishing out mega contracts and players accept slightly under to build sustainable excellence.

 

[M Malice]

Beams is right about the gap in the 24-26 year old age bracket. Our list looks good, finally got some top end talent, but age profile is still an absolute mess.

Our players in the 24-26 age bracket.

24- Blake Grewar, Josh Walker, Ryan Lester.
25- Jack Frost, Claye Beams, Ryan Harwood.
26- Ryan Bastinac, Tom Bell, Allen Christensen.

Makes for pretty sad reading Beams, Harwood, and Grewar could possibly be delisted, Frost and Bell, Bastinac and Walker could be good fits for us just want them to show consistency for the rest of the year for me to be convinced on them. Lester been good this year but still has some very ordinary games. IMO when fully fit and firing Allen Christensen the only really good player in that age bracket.

 

[morsie]

I would like us to go along the Sam Mitchell route and target an experienced and succesful player who wants to move into coaching a couple of years down the track .Someone with less miles on thee clock but who can see the end.Type of player I am thinking of is Grant Birchell / Heath Grundy.No ifea if this is feasible but it follows the GWS model.Maybe Joel Patfull could be persuaded.

 

[M Malice]

I would like us to go along the Sam Mitchell route and target an experienced and succesful player who wants to move into coaching a couple of years down the track .Someone with less miles on thee clock but who can see the end.Type of player I am thinking of is Grant Birchell / Heath Grundy.No ifea if this is feasible but it follows the GWS model.Maybe Joel Patfull could be persuaded.

Yep, I've been for this sort of thing for a while, I would want to only go down the route of elite players and leaders who want to get into coaching. Players of that standard and proven leadership qualities such as Luke Hodge, Robert Murphy and Shaun Burgoyne for 1 year play + 2 year assistant coaching role.

IIRC Joel Patfull moved to Sydney for life after football opportunities.

 

[jackess]

I would like us to go along the Sam Mitchell route and target an experienced and succesful player who wants to move into coaching a couple of years down the track .Someone with less miles on thee clock but who can see the end.Type of player I am thinking of is Grant Birchell / Heath Grundy.No ifea if this is feasible but it follows the GWS model.Maybe Joel Patfull could be persuaded.

Priddis?

 

[winged1]

Priddis?

Cooked

 

[jackess]

Cooked

LeCras?

 

[M Malice]

LeCras?

 

[SizeMatters]

If we are targeting an older 30+ year old it would have to be in the forward line role. Our forward half lacks leadership and experience ATM.

 

[lioninthesand]

Our players in the 24-26 age bracket.

24- Blake Grewar, Josh Walker, Ryan Lester.
25- Jack Frost, Claye Beams, Ryan Harwood.
26- Ryan Bastinac, Tom Bell, Allen Christensen.

Makes for pretty sad reading Beams, Harwood, and Grewar could possibly be delisted, Frost and Bell, Bastinac and Walker could be good fits for us just want them to show consistency for the rest of the year for me to be convinced on them. Lester been good this year but still has some very ordinary games. IMO when fully fit and firing Allen Christensen the only really good player in that age bracket.

Oh my, that is really terrible reading. Im really nervous that we will go backwards again once zorko, rocky, beams, martin hit 30+ together, we have no one cooming through in the geberation under them and the next wave still wont be ready to take over. That period of poor drafting / mid ladder finishes / compromised drafts really nuked that generation on our list.

 

[Dalions]

I would like us to go along the Sam Mitchell route and target an experienced and succesful player who wants to move into coaching a couple of years down the track .Someone with less miles on thee clock but who can see the end.Type of player I am thinking of is Grant Birchell / Heath Grundy.No ifea if this is feasible but it follows the GWS model.Maybe Joel Patfull could be persuaded.

With comments that he has made previously, i just cant see Fages going down that route.
And the fact that Beams has just mentioned the deficiencies in the 24-26 year age bracket i think that is where we will look. And rightfully so.
Would definitely still look at Hodge in a coaching role though.