2017 trade/draft thread

[avishka5]

He played less than 10 games for East Perth and was racking up decent possessions but I did not see many of these games. I can only speak about his Claremont games and his U18.

My view was that he was lining up to be our inside extractor. He was a blue collar inside mid that had reasonable pace, good decision making, good kicking and good handball skills. He occasionally hit the scoreboard but the best for me was that he was a pretty clean extractor. He roved to Darcy Cameron and was really good in that role.

Now whether you can extrapolate to say he would be best 22 is a moot point. We had a player that would have been valuable and whoosh - he's gone. Glandular Fever was cruel to him and I believe we were keen for him on the inside.

I was excited by Watermans inclusion as he was the first inside player that we got in ages that had a physique of a fully developed mid. His early wafl form was promising as well. Its pretty disappointing what happened to him as we would have had a few options now if he was fit. In fact Priddis might have even been dropped as he would have been holding back Waterman as well sheed and Redden.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Hopefully Alec will be back in the squad one day...

 

[Obeanie1]

We will have Natanui lycett and vardy next year why would we give up a decent pick for an over the hill ruck with minimal time left snd needing a midfield overhaul .
Lycett would be lucky to get a mid 2nd rounder an Giles is worthless .

Never said give up a decent pick.

Goldy is on decent coin and if North want to move him on to free up cap space then they may take unders.

As for NickNat and Lycett fully recovering next year that is speculation and hope. Do we want Nic to shoulder the ruck load yr 1 back from a knee, look at EMac. Lycett is injury prone. Our current back up plan hasn't worked has it?

So do we hope for the best or plan for something other than fairy tales.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Never said give up a decent pick.

Goldy is on decent coin and if North want to move him on to free up cap space then they may take unders.

As for NickNat and Lycett fully recovering next year that is speculation and hope. Do we want Nic to shoulder the ruck load yr 1 back from a knee, look at EMac. Lycett is injury prone. Our current back up plan hasn't worked has it?

So do we hope for the best or plan for something other than fairy tales.

Goldy is a terrible human being whose poor form can be traced back for being sprung cheating on his partner. Think she was pregnant at the time if remember the story correctly. Pass

 

[Obeanie1]

probably the worst thing we could do. huge risk

The worst thing that could happen is do nothing to solve our ruck depth and just hope NicNat and Lycett simply bounce back fitter than ever and we waste another year with a failing ruck division.

 

[Obeanie1]

Goldy is a terrible human being whose poor form can be traced back for being sprung cheating on his partner. Think she was pregnant at the time if remember the story correctly. Pass

Wow....did he kill Bambi too?

What about winning football games?

Or are we still only drafting nice guys ever since Cousins left?

 

[kane249]

Never said give up a decent pick.

Goldy is on decent coin and if North want to move him on to free up cap space then they may take unders.

As for NickNat and Lycett fully recovering next year that is speculation and hope. Do we want Nic to shoulder the ruck load yr 1 back from a knee, look at EMac. Lycett is injury prone. Our current back up plan hasn't worked has it?

So do we hope for the best or plan for something other than fairy tales.

Unless North are willing to pay part of his salary, then we inherit that large contract so we're then paying big bucks for ruck depth.

Giles and Vardy are both contracted for next year, we should be chasing a young developing ruck rather than chasing another older stop gap solution.

 

[Obeanie1]

Unless North are willing to pay part of his salary, then we inherit that large contract so we're then paying big bucks for ruck depth.

Giles , Petrie and Vardy are both contracted for next year, we should be chasing a young developing ruck rather than chasing another older stop gap solution.

Is Goldy depth? 2015 AA Giles and Vardy are depth. Goldsteign has stuffed his personal life and has totally lost form and maybe a bit of faith in North after to way Petrie and Harvey were treated last year. He's 29 turning 30 in July same age as Kennedy.

If Naitanui struggles like Emac did post knee who rucks? A kid? An injured Lycett? Giles who lacks mobility?

Which way does the club go? Give up for the next two or three years? Kennedy will be 33 in 3 years.

 

[ziad]

Ruck depth is cheap - rookie a 7ft kid or trade inboxed workmen ruckman.

So spend picks on mids (start in the square types ) not HBF/wing want be's and a top KP forward.

Fill in around them with left overs and those that don't quite make it in the square

 

[kane249]

Is Goldy depth? 2015 AA Giles and Vardy are depth. Goldsteign has stuffed his personal life and has totally lost form and maybe a bit of faith in North after to way Petrie and Harvey were treated last year. He's 29 turning 30 in July same age as Kennedy.

If Naitanui struggles like Emac did post knee who rucks? A kid? An injured Lycett? Giles who lacks mobility?

Which way does the club go? Give up for the next two or three years? Kennedy will be 33 in 3 years.

For mine Goldy only makes sense if we're still in flag chasing mode, our window is shutting fast so getting in youth ahead of a stop gap solution is the way to go.

For JK unfortunately it looks like he will retire without a flag as our list does need some refreshing.

 

[Obeanie1]

Ruck depth is cheap - rookie a 7ft kid or trade inboxed workmen ruckman.

So spend picks on mids (start in the square types ) not HBF/wing want be's and a top KP forward.

Fill in around them with left overs and those that don't quite make it in the square

Cheap ruck depth as we are finding out is also ineffective and a waste of effort. I'd rather spend games developing a young ruck than plug a hole with a Giles or Petrie because those games are simply wasted games.

Someone just mentioned our list needs refreshing and unfortunately Kennedy who turns 30 next year will likely miss out on a flag.

I'm not too interested in 'running up the white flag' on this group and going a full rebuild.

If players are slow or can't contest the ball they are moved on, that's Step 1.

Step 2, players who are past their peak also need to be moved on.

So Mitchell, Priddis, Masten, Le cras, Hill, Butler, Giles (pay him out). That's 7 players.

Test the trade waters with Masten, Lycett, Wellingham (29) and Schofield. If we were being super aggressive you would even have a chat with Hurn as he would have some currency with the Crows or Port. That's a big call I know and a 1 in a 1000 shot. Test the FA market with EMac.

Step 3 - what to target coming in.

1. Must retain our first and use on the best contested, skillful mid available.
2. Same with our 2nd pick unless a clear trade to advantage is available (M McGovern) and please don't even mention a KP player with that pick. We have Darling, McGovern, Vardy, Waterman and Allen on the list for a reason, all are between 18 and 26.
3. A legitimate development / semi mature ruck. Cox from Collingwood, Daw from Norths, Goldstein. Or we use a later pick on a legitimate 200cm project ruck. We don't waste top picks but target a 200+cm ruck or Daw.
   
4. Look at a Motlop as a FA in, a fast HFFer who doesn't cost us picks just $.
5. Look at Matera, again a fast HFFer who adds defensive pressure, swap for Masten.
6. Happy to look at using a future pick on a trade or a pick upgrade.
7. We back in Karpany, Mutimer, Partington, Cole, Duggan, Nelson, Rioli and Venebles to lift our pace and intensity. That's 8 players who haven't seen much footy.

 

[avishka5]

Cheap ruck depth as we are finding out is also ineffective and a waste of effort. I'd rather spend games developing a young ruck than plug a hole with a Giles or Petrie because those games are simply wasted games.

Someone just mentioned our list needs refreshing and unfortunately Kennedy who turns 30 next year will likely miss out on a flag.

I'm not too interested in 'running up the white flag' on this group and going a full rebuild.

If players are slow or can't contest the ball they are moved on, that's Step 1.

Step 2, players who are past their peak also need to be moved on.

So Mitchell, Priddis, Masten, Le cras, Hill, Butler, Giles (pay him out). That's 7 players.

Test the trade waters with Masten, Lycett, Wellingham (29) and Schofield. If we were being super aggressive you would even have a chat with Hurn as he would have some currency with the Crows or Port. That's a big call I know and a 1 in a 1000 shot. Test the FA market with EMac.

Step 3 - what to target coming in.

1. Must retain our first and use on the best contested, skillful mid available.
2. Same with our 2nd pick unless a clear trade to advantage is available (M McGovern) and please don't even mention a KP player with that pick. We have Darling, McGovern, Vardy, Waterman and Allen on the list for a reason, all are between 18 and 26.

Now is the perfect time to find a kennedy replacement.

Darling, waterman and allen are not a key position players and are third tall types.
Mcgovern is a defender and Vardy is a fwd/ruck at best.

Im moving towards trading gaff to get another first round talent.

Im not in the camp for Motlop as he is another gutless downhill skier like most our team and at 27( next season) he is too old for a team thats going to be rebuilding.

 

[ziad]

Cheap ruck depth as we are finding out is also ineffective and a waste of effort. I'd rather spend games developing a young ruck than plug a hole with a Giles or Petrie because those games are simply wasted games.

Kids are cheap, you miss the point. plenty of No 2 rucks not getting a go are cheap as well. let others develop them to a point.
Sinkers was cheap, etch t., Cox was a Rookie.

The point is invest in those that win games - mids, miss and oneway replace JK.

effectively you need bookends of quality and 16- good mids + one good ruckman

 

[avishka5]

could have got Darcy Cameron 2 years ago. Last year we could got liam ryan or bailey Banfield instead of gorter. Our use of the rookie draft has been poor recently.

 

[mattyc75]

could have got Darcy Cameron 2 years ago. Last year we could got liam ryan or bailey Banfield instead of gorter. Our use of the rookie draft has been poor recently.

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[paran]

I have tracked this kid for two years now and he is definitely one to watch in the final phase of the TAC cup year and then the All Stars Game , he may well be a bolter.

As I have posted a few times before on here he is one of my favourites in this years cohort, I will own that.

Tough as teak.
Amazing skills below his knees.
Is dual sided by foot or hand.
Has pace.
Loves a contest.

The only knock is he just needs to tidy up his natural right foot disposal.... his left is as good as his right and for the non dominant its very good.

Other than that he plays three positions HF MID and HB.
Great mark for his size.
For me he has a high ceiling and.......... thats always a tantalising prospect.

Sounds like SPP...

 

[Obeanie1]

Kids are cheap, you miss the point. plenty of No 2 rucks not getting a go are cheap as well. let others develop them to a point.
Sinkers was cheap, etch t., Cox was a Rookie.

The point is invest in those that win games - mids, miss and oneway replace JK.

effectively you need bookends of quality and 16- good mids + one good ruckman

Did Kennedy kicking a bag win us the game on Sunday?

How about the GF? 2015 and 2006?

Mifields win you games and premierships, it all starts in the engine room.

One gun forward, one gun back and rucks that at least halve the contest.

10 Quality mids and flankers are needed. We have 3 or 4.

 

[avishka5]

Did Kennedy kicking a bag win us the game on Sunday?

How about the GF? 2015 and 2006?

Mifields win you games and premierships, it all starts in the engine room.

One gun forward, one gun back and rucks that at least halve the contest.

10 Quality mids and flankers are needed. We have 3 or 4.

we wouldn't have made the GF in 2015 without JK, 2006 we had a once in a generation midfield that would have been a multiple premiership winning midfield if it weren't for the drug saga.

This was the first time we lost after jk kicked +6.

IMO we are in rebuild phase come seasons end and a current 30 year old JK will either be retired when we challenge again or is in decline.
I agree with you about mids but i also don't believe in putting all our eggs in a basket. Look at Freo, i truly believe that they would be a much better team if they had a genuine lead up target. Without going into too much research, i have heard that this year is good year for KPP talent and thats why i want us to utilize this years draft for someone to replace JK in 3-5 years time.

 

[Obeanie1]

we wouldn't have made the GF in 2015 without JK, 2006 we had a once in a generation midfield that would have been a multiple premiership winning midfield if it weren't for the drug saga.

This was the first time we lost after jk kicked +6.

IMO we are in rebuild phase come seasons end and a current 30 year old JK will either be retired when we challenge again or is in decline.
I agree with you about mids but i also don't believe in putting all our eggs in a basket. Look at Freo, i truly believe that they would be a much better team if they had a genuine lead up target. Without going into too much research, i have heard that this year is good year for KPP talent and thats why i want us to utilize this years draft for someone to replace JK in 3-5 years time.

If we are smart we should play Lamb , 20, instead of Le cras and see how he goes. Give him a reason to stay or lift his non existent trade value. 194cm mobile forward.

Waterman 18, 194cm forward.

Allen is a natural leading forward, same size as Dunstal and Fevola I recall.

Plus Darling 24, plus Vardy 26, plus Lycett 24,

Barras 21 played forward in juniors

 

[WCErevival]

If we are smart we should play Lamb , 20, instead of Le cras and see how he goes. Give him a reason to stay or lift his non existent trade value. 194cm mobile forward.

Waterman 18, 194cm forward.

Allen is a natural leading forward, same size as Dunstal and Fevola I recall.

Plus Darling 24, plus Vardy 26, plus Lycett 24,

Barras 21 played forward in juniors

The problem with Lamb is he just doesn't deserve to be selected. He has been slightly better than last year but still not great. I think he is a bust as a forward and we need to deal with it. If anything he would probably play better as a tall outside mid. Lecras can be replaced with Rioli or Karpany.

Waterman is only 190cm btw.

 

[avishka5]

If we are smart we should play Lamb , 20, instead of Le cras and see how he goes. Give him a reason to stay or lift his non existent trade value. 194cm mobile forward.

Waterman 18, 194cm forward.

Allen is a natural leading forward, same size as Dunstal and Fevola I recall.

Plus Darling 24, plus Vardy 26, plus Lycett 24,

Barras 21 played forward in juniors

Lamb isnt a KPF, he is a HFF that in the mould of Tom Lynch from Adelaide.
Waterman is 190cm (1cm shorter than darling) so not a kpf either.
Allen at 193cm could but he is pretty injury prone atm. The current shift in the game sees most KPF's being getting close to the 200cm mark. Moore, Daniher, Patton, Schahe, ben brown, Tom Lynch(suns), Dixon and Peter wright are all young to youngish KPF's of the game and all are close to the 200cm mark. There will always be an exception here and there tho but 196cm seems to be a good height/size for a KPF.

Lycett is ruckmen and Vardy is not young ish and not proven forward. Barrass is establishing him self as a KPD and has shown heaps of promise there.

I'd like us to build our midfield like you but we need to also draft Genuine KPF talent over the next few years

 

[CM9000]

we wouldn't have made the GF in 2015 without JK, 2006 we had a once in a generation midfield that would have been a multiple premiership winning midfield if it weren't for the drug saga.

This was the first time we lost after jk kicked +6.

IMO we are in rebuild phase come seasons end and a current 30 year old JK will either be retired when we challenge again or is in decline.
I agree with you about mids but i also don't believe in putting all our eggs in a basket. Look at Freo, i truly believe that they would be a much better team if they had a genuine lead up target. Without going into too much research, i have heard that this year is good year for KPP talent and thats why i want us to utilize this years draft for someone to replace JK in 3-5 years time.

Why?

 

[Biggie]

Why?

We're need of a clean out of some description.

There is a massive regression in mental capacity for this side right now, that simply cannot be argued or ignored

 

[CM9000]

We're need of a clean out of some description.

There is a massive regression in mental capacity for this side right now, that simply cannot be argued or ignored

We can't blame the players for the MCs mistakes.

How does a team build synergy when 4 unforced changes are made after a gutsy win? How does a team sustain belief if cooked seniors are chosen in favour of building some proper balance?

A rebuild won't be necessary once our MC actually plays our best 22.

 

[Godfather32]

We can't blame the players for the MCs mistakes.

How does a team build synergy when 4 unforced changes are made after a gutsy win? How does a team sustain belief if cooked seniors are chosen in favour of building some proper balance?

A rebuild won't be necessary once our MC actually plays our best 22.

That almost sounded like you were criticising the club in some way