2017 trade/draft thread

[Obeanie1]

Except he can’t do what gaff does and never will. He is a masten.

No he isnt. Masten is a plodder, Hartung has genuine pace and can avoid a tackle using it. He can also break the lines with run and carry. Masten cant.

Totally different wingers.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Yeah. Your right. In fact he was so impactfull and influential for us that he got dropped to the WAFL twice this season. In addition to being dropped to the WAFL for a lengthy stint the previous season too.

He was going so well and dominating the middle of the ground so much that the match committee were compelled to drop him to the WAFL. Absolutely compelled.

Twice.

In a team that was woefully underperforming generally and was crying out for experienced reliable players in the very area of the ground he plays in.

We were getting flogged in the midfield most weeks, we had nobody banging down the door in the WAFL for a spot in our midfield. And he is an experienced 100 game AFL player. And he still got dropped.

If only all our players played so well that they got dropped multiple times in one season.

Rubbish how much did redden and sheed start on ball this year ? Very little !
2 inside ball winners forced out to the wings and flanks to get the crumbs of our midfield rotation .

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

robert walls doesn't watch us much and it seems you don't either. He's been played predominantly at HFF/wing more than as an on baller. That probably a huge reason why he doesn't win a heap of his own ball.

any way 43% of his possession this year were contested (decent number concidering he was at HFF/wing).

How would you know how many West Coast games Robert Walls watches? I would imagine that as a professional commentator he would watch every game, every week. Not necessarily live. But i am sure he will have watched most of our games.

And given that he is a Premiership Player and Coach i think his opinion is more highly qualified than that of a Fan Boy on a BF board.

 

[Biggie]

Yeah. Your right. In fact he was so impactfull and influential for us that he got dropped to the WAFL twice this season. In addition to being dropped to the WAFL for a lengthy stint the previous season too.

He was going so well and dominating the middle of the ground so much that the match committee were compelled to drop him to the WAFL. Absolutely compelled.

Twice.

In a team that was woefully underperforming generally and was crying out for experienced reliable players in the very area of the ground he plays in.

We were getting flogged in the midfield most weeks, we had nobody banging down the door in the WAFL for a spot in our midfield. And he is an experienced 100 game AFL player. And he still got dropped.

If only all our players played so well that they got dropped multiple times in one season.

Carbine Chaos got a new account?

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

Rubbish how much did redden and sheed start on ball this year ? Very little !
2 inside ball winners forced out to the wings and flanks to get the crumbs of our midfield rotation .

The point remains, he has been very, very disappointing for us and does not impact games. I am sure if the club could go back in time they would not do that trade again.

 

[Obeanie1]

Never got drafted 2012 and 2013 so not sure why certainly improved out of sight this season ....evidently Carlton are keen on Kelly and their first pick in the draft at this stage ( pre trade week ) is 38 hence we might need our pick 30 to draft Kelly . Brisbane also keen and they have picks 1 , 12 , 18 to use before Carltons pick 38 , NM also keen and have picks 4 & 21 in front of Carltons pick 38 .

Cannot see those top 20 picks used on Kelly , we will probably wait till later in the draft pick 48 or 67 and take Kelly or Schloithe whichever is left avaiable at that spot .....but maybe not because we are desperate for ready to go midfielders and Kelly could be that .

If we get Ah chee by trade prior to the draft thats one mature age mid. I could then see the club using our first and 2nd on kids, and as you said get either Kelly or Schloithe with 48. One would likely to still be on the table. If Kelly's partner has twins on the way that may well put off interstate clubs and Freo wont have many picks left after their trading. Kelly is an obvious Freo pickup though.

 

[bUCKET__]

The point remains, he has been very, very disappointing for us and does not impact games. I am sure if the club could go back in time they would not do that trade again.

Looks like a large majority of the fanboys & fangirls on bf disagree with you here re how Redden finished the season.

It's okay if you stopped watching our games midseason though, there was sufficient reason to

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

The point remains, he has been very, very disappointing for us and does not impact games. I am sure if the club could go back in time they would not do that trade again.

Average of 20 possessions , 5 marks , 5 tackles , 3.5 clearances , 44% contested possessions over the season .
Pretty good for a bloke who doesn't get a huge amount of on ball time .

That is not very , very Disappointing
That is not very disappointing
That's not even regular old Disappointing

He had a better year than 2016 by far and I expect him to improve another 10-15% again next year

 

[Galileo9]

No he isnt. Masten is a plodder, Hartung has genuine pace and can avoid a tackle using it. He can also break the lines with run and carry. Masten cant.

Totally different wingers.

Wow, such superstar.

He is a short ass tweener, who doesn’t kick goals and can’t tackle. He doesn’t get enough possessions to make all those things go away.

Now if you are swayed by his tiny legs making it look like he is breaking lines, then you are kidding urself. He is not something to get excited over.

 

[liam123]

So tell me BOND 007. You don't think a club has never told a player they are recruiting that they value him highly, will eventually get the deal done but for the best interests of the club and the list which in turn effects their chance of success they will be doing their best to get him for as cheap as possible?

It's not that said player isn't worth a first it's that why give up a first when a second might do if they play hardball?

Did Port Adelaide stand firm with Ryder? a player they desperately wanted? I'm pretty sure it was Essendon who relented before the deadline because Port stood firm. Should Port has caved in to Essendons demands and given over Ollie Wines or Chad Wingard as Essendon requested?

The Suns demanded two first round picks for Dixon which is insane. Should they have given into Gold Coast or were they right to play hardball until such a time a fair deal could be done?

How about the Ebert deal. Could Port have offered us pick 28 and a player? How about a second and third round pick? Or did they use their leverage to secure a good player for as cheap as possible.

I could even use the Polec trade as an example as well which took almost all of trade period to get done.

From where i sit Port seem to be doing just fine standing firm when it comes to trades, the club isn't treated like a Leper colony, no players have walked away that they have publicly gone after regardless of whether it takes until the last day of trade period to get the deal done. I don't see any hurt feelings. Just players who are informed correctly of the situation. They seem to be doing extremely well as now Rockliff wants to join them this year as well.

Your attitude is a reflection of how timid West Coast are as a club. Don't offend the player because god knows we struggle to attract talent as it is, just get it done and because we're such good chaps hopefully other clubs will reward us for it down the track. I mean heaven help us if we made a player wait a few more days to get to the club.

Ah Chee is probably worth around a late third third but a fourth should get it done. He has been in the system long enough, has hardly played, is out of contract and despite what Port claim is not required and is nothing more than depth. But sure lets give them our third without trying to force the issue with our fourth.
That's what you're saying right?

Let's get serious here, It's not about revenge, it's not about what they "owe" us. It's just good business.

I'm not advocating that we become notoriously difficult to deal with like Essendon but we don't have to get the deal done a.s.a.p every bloody year without seeing whats the best we can do.

Maybe our recruiters and trading department just aren't up to scratch.

What goes around comes around. I think port wouldn't get a mitchel for pick 88 type deal as quick as we would

 

[avishka5]

Yeah. Your right. In fact he was so impactfull and influential for us that he got dropped to the WAFL twice this season. In addition to being dropped to the WAFL for a lengthy stint the previous season too.

He was going so well and dominating the middle of the ground so much that the match committee were compelled to drop him to the WAFL. Absolutely compelled.

Twice.

In a team that was woefully underperforming generally and was crying out for experienced reliable players in the very area of the ground he plays in.

We were getting flogged in the midfield most weeks, we had nobody banging down the door in the WAFL for a spot in our midfield. And he is an experienced 100 game AFL player. And he still got dropped.

If only all our players played so well that they got dropped multiple times in one season.

Just go back to my original comment. Stated he finished the year off well. His second half of the year was very good and most here would agree so.

His first season at the club was shithouse but he had 2 different surgeries in the preseason he joined us and missed the entire preseason. Not many players miss a entire preseason and go on to do that well. Non the less he could have done a bit better.

This year he was shifted from his position after we acquired Mitchell and consequently struggled (like every other mid we have played at HFF).
he was deservedly dropped but he made his way back into the side against the dogs and played a very good game and wasn't dropped for poor form but because simpson wanted priddis back.

He averaged 24.2 touches, 5.1 tackles, 4.1 clearances and 10.8 contested possessions since he was recalled and made the most out of his second chance and finished 8th in our player of the year vote based on that finish alone.


"We were getting flogged in the midfield most weeks, we had nobody banging down the door in the WAFL for a spot in our midfield. And he is an experienced 100 game AFL player".

Redden had some very big games at WAFL but it didn't matter if we had 2 or 5 players banging on the door because at AFL level, they would have been shunted to a HFF/wing role with minimum on ball minutes. That purely because of Matt Priddis lack of versatility and also spudding up for majority of the year.

How would you know how many West Coast games Robert Walls watches? I would imagine that as a professional commentator he would watch every game, every week. Not necessarily live. But i am sure he will have watched most of our games.

And given that he is a Premiership Player and Coach i think his opinion is more highly qualified than that of a Fan Boy on a BF board.

LOL

Many in the media are nuffies (just suss out the bias and incompetent thread) and some of these idiots opinions need to be taken with a grain of salt. That includes Walls's. Walls doesn't have much positive to say about us and this has gone a long way back.

His comments about redden winning a lot of outside ball is a complete joke and makes it sound like redden is a complete seagull. Off coarse a bloke playing on a wing or on a flank will have greater uncontested possessions to bloody contested possessions. Even blind freddy could tell you that. He's just awatched a hand full of our games and then and formed the rest of his opinion on stats.

In that same article He questions Darlings ability to perform in finals but the week before Darling was one of our better player and barely saw a look in against the giants.

 

[Godfather32]

How would you know how many West Coast games Robert Walls watches? I would imagine that as a professional commentator he would watch every game, every week. Not necessarily live. But i am sure he will have watched most of our games.

And given that he is a Premiership Player and Coach i think his opinion is more highly qualified than that of a Fan Boy on a BF board.

Good troll, almost had me

 

[Nev57]

Redden- Jury still out on redden. Finished the year strong and showed us why we drafted him.
Jetta- gets harsh treated but we gave away a depth player for him.

Jettas got the goods but to me at afl level and the money he's on he just doesn't do it enough and with Redden maybe he'll flourish now that Mitch and Pridda are out of the way (with all due respect )

 

[Nev57]

we really need to get wingers that can tackle . Gaff , masten , hill and hartung are all the same soft outside type .

Give me a matty rosa or Andrew embley tall marking outside mid who can lay a few tackles

You'd think Masten and hill will be moved on.

 

[sey666]

How would you know how many West Coast games Robert Walls watches? I would imagine that as a professional commentator he would watch every game, every week. Not necessarily live. But i am sure he will have watched most of our games.

And given that he is a Premiership Player and Coach i think his opinion is more highly qualified than that of a Fan Boy on a BF board.

He watches us every week - think Luke Priddis is his favourite WCE player.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Yeah. Your right. In fact he was so impactfull and influential for us that he got dropped to the WAFL twice this season. In addition to being dropped to the WAFL for a lengthy stint the previous season too.

He was going so well and dominating the middle of the ground so much that the match committee were compelled to drop him to the WAFL. Absolutely compelled.

Twice.

In a team that was woefully underperforming generally and was crying out for experienced reliable players in the very area of the ground he plays in.

We were getting flogged in the midfield most weeks, we had nobody banging down the door in the WAFL for a spot in our midfield. And he is an experienced 100 game AFL player. And he still got dropped.

If only all our players played so well that they got dropped multiple times in one season.

If you're going to point out that he got dropped twice - multiple times - you should probably note that the second time was to make way for a returning Priddis despite Redden having had a very good game against the Bulldogs in Priddis' absence, most on here were pretty angry that he'd been dropped, and he was back in the following week.

And as for the team "crying out for experienced reliable players in the very area of the ground he plays in", they actually had two Brownlow Medalists playing in that part of the ground and were struggling to fit in Redden and the other experienced reliable inside mids like Sheed and Hutchings alongside them. Hence why Redden was dropped the second time.

But you know, just keep repeating that he was dropped twice because you hadn't quite made your point the third or fourth time.

 

[squashface]

If you're going to point out that he got dropped twice - multiple times - you should probably note that the second time was to make way for a returning Priddis despite Redden having had a very good game against the Bulldogs in Priddis' absence, most on here were pretty angry that he'd been dropped, and he was back in the following week.

And as for the team "crying out for experienced reliable players in the very area of the ground he plays in", they actually had two Brownlow Medalists playing in that part of the ground and were struggling to fit in Redden and the other experienced reliable inside mids like Sheed and Hutchings alongside them. Hence why Redden was dropped the second time.

But you know, just keep repeating that he was dropped twice because you hadn't quite made your point the third or fourth time.

Yeah but he was dropped twice.

 

[Cuzz09]

What picks do we have? Maybe we could use the later pick to re-ignite the career of a delisted guy who has nothing to lose... dunno who but there would be bucket loads of them... is there a list of the nominated players that could be drafted? Or a list of each teams delisted players? Cheers

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[Jiggyman]

Yeah. Your right. In fact he was so impactfull and influential for us that he got dropped to the WAFL twice this season. In addition to being dropped to the WAFL for a lengthy stint the previous season too.

He was going so well and dominating the middle of the ground so much that the match committee were compelled to drop him to the WAFL. Absolutely compelled.

Twice.

In a team that was woefully underperforming generally and was crying out for experienced reliable players in the very area of the ground he plays in.

We were getting flogged in the midfield most weeks, we had nobody banging down the door in the WAFL for a spot in our midfield. And he is an experienced 100 game AFL player. And he still got dropped.

If only all our players played so well that they got dropped multiple times in one season.

Redden's last 10 weeks (after being dropped) were consistently good, with a few very good games. His input was vital to us getting as far as we did, and he's shown enough to suggest he'll be valuable as we transition into a new midfield setup.

 

[amazingjoshy]

How would you know how many West Coast games Robert Walls watches? I would imagine that as a professional commentator he would watch every game, every week. Not necessarily live. But i am sure he will have watched most of our games.

And given that he is a Premiership Player and Coach i think his opinion is more highly qualified than that of a Fan Boy on a BF board.

I agree, you would imagine that would be a minimum requirement.

Walls openly admits he doesn't watch all games, in fact he starts nearly every comment about our players with "I haven't seen alot of them lately". The majority of our "professional" commentators are the same. Where do you think the comment "If he played in Victoria, he'd be a superstar" comes from?

Barrett and Wallace had a whole segment about it yesterday on Trade Radio. Barrett was swooning over Wallace because he said he sits down every week to watch all 9 games, like that was some sort of special talent. Barrett reckons he'd be the only one in the industry that does that. "No idea how you find the time Terry"

 

[Eaglespur]

What picks do we have? Maybe we could use the later pick to re-ignite the career of a delisted guy who has nothing to lose... dunno who but there would be bucket loads of them... is there a list of the nominated players that could be drafted? Or a list of each teams delisted players? Cheers

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Coz that's seemed to work so well for us before. Bennell maybe mildly successful

 

[bUCKET__]

Ah Chee wouldn't get dropped twice. Once max. Much higher ceiling.

 

[kerr87]

We have to get Kelly.

Ah Chee and Kelly are instant best 22 and would make a big difference along with Rioli and a fit Venables to our team dynamics.

 

[pantskyle]

Those bagging Hartung are being a bit harsh, he's a quality player.

If Gaff left Hartung would be just the sort of replacement we'd need.

No he isn't. He is an average player. A player that struggles to get into an aging Hawks side that spudded it up all year.

 

[Dark Sharks]

^^ Do you even watch football campaigner, or just cover yourself in peanut butter and call the cat?