2017 trade hypothetical thread

[Darkyprotector]

Moore had hamstring tightness so a week or 2 you would think. Burtons fine, rolled his ankle but came back on

so he wasnt injured
maybe should have been a 50 to fasolo
he did deny access to the ball 3 times

 

[Burtman]

so he wasnt injured
maybe should have been a 50 to fasolo
he did deny access to the ball 3 times

Don't remember the incident, but a rolled ankle is fairly minor but still an injury

 

[cotter101]

It would be nice I would be hoping for pick 2 but seems unlikely. A End of first pick PP has been reported by most of the Media though

We won't be getting a PP at all.

 

[Groo2]

We won't be getting a PP at all.

Luke Hodge could be our PP

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-05/could-luke-hodge-head-to-the-lions

 

[Suma Magic]

I normally love pointless speculation about West Coast trades.

Apart from Matera, I can't really think of any players who may come to us this off-season, or who would really suit us and want to come.

Any young west Aussie mids out of contract or open to coming home?

 

[HairyO]

All this talk about GWS players being worth multiple picks and also players seems to forget that GWS has to somehow pay them. They will all be looking at massive payrises and the AFL no longer gives them all that free money.

And the idea that Hawthorn trades a 1st a 2nd and Breuat for Whitfield is beyond ludicrous.

Kelly or Shiels maybe but their 6th best mid?

 

[Darkyprotector]

Don't remember the incident, but a rolled ankle is fairly minor but still an injury

last quarter 70 meters out 2 goals the difference at time , fas trying to get ball
very obvious mate,momentum killer, great gamemanship but very very shit or biased umpiring, paid 50 meters every time

 

[Bokonon_]

All this talk about GWS players being worth multiple picks and also players seems to forget that GWS has to somehow pay them. They will all be looking at massive payrises and the AFL no longer gives them all that free money.

And the idea that Hawthorn trades a 1st a 2nd and Breuat for Whitfield is beyond ludicrous.

Kelly or Shiels maybe but their 6th best mid?

Whitfield isn't our 6th best mid. He is an outside mid and can't really be compared with Kelly or Shiel I agree. I also agree the price you mention is too high.I even agree salary.cap is an issue, players need to be paid their worth.
I dismiss with contempt the notion of "free" money though. We had an increased cap to pay for an expanded list in previous years. We're an investment in the future.

 

[citizen-erased]

Whitfield isn't our 6th best mid. He is an outside mid and can't really be compared with Kelly or Shiel I agree. I also agree the price you mention is too high.I even agree salary.cap is an issue, players need to be paid their worth.
I dismiss with contempt the notion of "free" money though. We had an increased cap to pay for an expanded list in previous years. We're an investment in the future.

Did GWS not drastically reduce their list last year as well?

Other than a handful of high priced players (Kelly, Cameron, Shiel, Greene, Ward, maybe Patton).
SJ, Deledio & Griffen will approach retirement soon. Thats 3 decent contracts they will free up.

I don't see any more pressure on their salary cap than Adelaide, Melbourne, Essendon or Richmond tbh. Especially if richmond end up forking massive dollars to keep Dusty.

 

[HairyO]

Whitfield isn't our 6th best mid. He is an outside mid and can't really be compared with Kelly or Shiel I agree. I also agree the price you mention is too high.I even agree salary.cap is an issue, players need to be paid their worth.
I dismiss with contempt the notion of "free" money though. We had an increased cap to pay for an expanded list in previous years. We're an investment in the future.

So the increased cap and expanded list which no other team doesnt count as free money?

Over the next 2 or 3 years there will be more and more high profile poaching of GWS players because the club simply wont be able to match the offers. And they wont be getting 2 x 1st rounders every time a player leaves.

 

[Bokonon_]

So the increased cap and expanded list which no other team doesnt count as free money?

Over the next 2 or 3 years there will be more and more high profile poaching of GWS players because the club simply wont be able to match the offers. And they wont be getting 2 x 1st rounders every time a player leaves.

As for losing players, It's a risk
It hasn't really happened so far, it was envisaged in the planning we would trade a lot more talent out than we habe and we're teaping the benefits now. It's about creating tje right culture and it's working so far.
As for our start up concessions, of course we take what advantage we can, why not hold the suits from all clubs who signed off on them accountable?

 

[HairyO]

As for losing players, It's a risk
It hasn't really happened so far, it was envisaged in the planning we would trade a lot more talent out than we habe and we're teaping the benefits now. It's about creating tje right culture and it's working so far.
As for our start up concessions, of course we take what advantage we can, why not hold the suits from all clubs who signed off on them accountable?

Absolutely the clubs are as much to blame as the AFL. I think the clubs looked at GCS and assumed exactly the same thing would happen with GWS - without ever considering that perhaps GWS would look at the failures of GCS and go a different path.

The one big advantage that GWS still has is, as long as they can reduce the loss of key players to only 1 or at most 2 per year, then they will see a 1st and 2nd round picks coming back, which can be spent on quality youth who are not going to cost anywhere near as much cash as what they were going to have to pay.

So its almost in their interest to palm off some talent. Just not lose a couple every single year (though in a way that would hurt in the short term but long term fix any cap issues they have).

 

[Luv_our_club]

GWS need a small forward next year.

GWS are in a position to draft for need and for premierships.

Would you take Puopolo and our second rounder in 2017 for a young mid? Setterfield or Whitfield? Or for a first round draft pick to Hawthorn?

I cant see Hawthorn trading away their 2018 first rounder for an unproven youngster.

On another note, could the Lions receive a PP if Rocklif goes via FA? Win/Win for two clubs.

 

[blueiris]

GWS need a small forward next year.

GWS are in a position to draft for need and for premierships.

Would you take Puopolo and our second rounder in 2017 for a young mid? Setterfield or Whitfield? Or for a first round draft pick to Hawthorn?

I cant see Hawthorn trading away their 2018 first rounder for an unproven youngster.

On another note, could the Lions receive a PP if Rocklif goes via FA? Win/Win for two clubs.

Lions would receive a Compo pick not really a Win/Win Lions hardly have any experienced players on our List

 

[Vindicater]

GWS need a small forward next year.

GWS are in a position to draft for need and for premierships.

Would you take Puopolo and our second rounder in 2017 for a young mid? Setterfield or Whitfield? Or for a first round draft pick to Hawthorn?

I cant see Hawthorn trading away their 2018 first rounder for an unproven youngster.

On another note, could the Lions receive a PP if Rocklif goes via FA? Win/Win for two clubs.

Lol.

Just ****ing lol.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

GWS need a small forward next year.

GWS are in a position to draft for need and for premierships.

Would you take Puopolo and our second rounder in 2017 for a young mid? Setterfield or Whitfield? Or for a first round draft pick to Hawthorn?

I cant see Hawthorn trading away their 2018 first rounder for an unproven youngster.

On another note, could the Lions receive a PP if Rocklif goes via FA? Win/Win for two clubs.

Lol mate nobody is going to start giving hawthorn first round picks or quality young players for your ageing 30 year olds. They aren't worth peanuts

The old equation of our average player + pick = your A grader doesn't work in reality, which is the sort of nonsense your trying to sell

It's like Geelong offering you Andrew Mackie + our second rounder for Ryan burton.

 

[scoman]

Any interest in Michael Close from the Lions. Wouldnt cost much trade wise, and I'm a bit perplexed as to why he isnt getting a run in the seniors. A line seems to have been drawn through his name, yet in my view he is playing better football than he ever has. Richmond? Westcoast? Could at least be a stopgap while a high 2017/2018 draft pick develops?

 

[Bokonon_]

Lol mate nobody is going to start giving hawthorn first round picks or quality young players for your ageing 30 year olds. They aren't worth peanuts

The old equation of our average player + pick = your A grader doesn't work in reality, which is the sort of nonsense your trying to sell

It's like Geelong offering you Andrew Mackie + our second rounder for Ryan burton.

Not really
We are entering a window of opportunity and one option is to look to recruit proven players to sure up any perceived gaps. That may lead to long term weakness and not an easy call I would think. Look at our list management history and we've always been open to recruiting these types of players, Mumford, Shaw, Griffen, Deledio last year obvious examples.

HairyO makes a valid point. From a player resource point of view the other option is retain and develop, particularly as our core group is maturing, and take picks to the draft where we cant to keep injecting new talent.
I suspect some sort of mix but we've tried a couple of times for Bruest and a player coming out of the Hawks system would not be a negative.

 

[F_therest]

I normally love pointless speculation about West Coast trades.

Apart from Matera, I can't really think of any players who may come to us this off-season, or who would really suit us and want to come.

Any young west Aussie mids out of contract or open to coming home?

McGovern apparently still a chance

 

[F_therest]

Lions would receive a Compo pick not really a Win/Win Lions hardly have any experienced players on our List

Pick 2 would be pretty good compo for rockliff... Which is what you'd get. Pick 1 and 2 in the draft to kick the rebuild into overdrive to add to the talent picked up the last 2 years.

Schache, hipwood, Andrews, Taylor, mccluggage, Witherten, Berry, Cox etc plus best 2 players in this year's draft pool...would start to be building an impressive list of youngsters.

Similar to afl giving Melbourne pick 3 compo for frawley.

 

[Prochard123]

GWS need a small forward next year.

GWS are in a position to draft for need and for premierships.

Would you take Puopolo and our second rounder in 2017 for a young mid? Setterfield or Whitfield? Or for a first round draft pick to Hawthorn?

I cant see Hawthorn trading away their 2018 first rounder for an unproven youngster.

On another note, could the Lions receive a PP if Rocklif goes via FA? Win/Win for two clubs.

Argggh yes Hawthorn posters on this thread

 

[Vindicater]

Not really
We are entering a window of opportunity and one option is to look to recruit proven players to sure up any perceived gaps. That may lead to long term weakness and not an easy call I would think. Look at our list management history and we've always been open to recruiting these types of players, Mumford, Shaw, Griffen, Deledio last year obvious examples.

HairyO makes a valid point. From a player resource point of view the other option is retain and develop, particularly as our core group is maturing, and take picks to the draft where we cant to keep injecting new talent.
I suspect some sort of mix but we've tried a couple of times for Bruest and a player coming out of the Hawks system would not be a negative.

Mate he offered you puoplo and a 2nd round pick (yours if he means this year) for Whitfield...

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Not really
We are entering a window of opportunity and one option is to look to recruit proven players to sure up any perceived gaps. That may lead to long term weakness and not an easy call I would think. Look at our list management history and we've always been open to recruiting these types of players, Mumford, Shaw, Griffen, Deledio last year obvious examples.

HairyO makes a valid point. From a player resource point of view the other option is retain and develop, particularly as our core group is maturing, and take picks to the draft where we cant to keep injecting new talent.
I suspect some sort of mix but we've tried a couple of times for Bruest and a player coming out of the Hawks system would not be a negative.

Lol mate the scenario was giving up Whitfield or setterfield for Puopolo + a second rounder. Im sure your alone as a GWS supporter if your thinking that's a good deal. Think GWS would be a laughing stock

 

[Bokonon_]

Lol mate the scenario was giving up Whitfield or setterfield for Puopolo + a second rounder. Im sure your alone as a GWS supporter if your thinking that's a good deal. Think GWS would be a laughing stock

Often claim to speak for others do you?

 

[M Malice]

Pick 2 would be pretty good compo for rockliff... Which is what you'd get. Pick 1 and 2 in the draft to kick the rebuild into overdrive to add to the talent picked up the last 2 years.

Schache, hipwood, Andrews, Taylor, mccluggage, Witherten, Berry, Cox etc plus best 2 players in this year's draft pool...would start to be building an impressive list of youngsters.

Similar to afl giving Melbourne pick 3 compo for frawley.

Yep, I think up until very recently our youth has been drastically under rated, most of our draft picks since the go home 5 debacle have been nailed. Stephen Conole and his team have done a fantastic job. Chris Fagan has come in and openly stated that we will be putting an emphasis on elite disposal skills hence last years draft haul, even Mitchell Hinge (taken pick 20 in the rookie draft) has been showing very good skills in the NEAFL. I am very confident we are on the track to relevance again.